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Barack_America (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-10-08 02:53 PM Original message |
Definition of "Shuck and Jive". It IS racist. Always. |
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pennylane100 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-10-08 02:55 PM Response to Original message |
1. I did not know that, |
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DURHAM D (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-10-08 02:55 PM Response to Original message |
2. And perhaps Obama will speak out about the appalling sexist |
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maddiejoan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-10-08 02:56 PM Response to Original message |
3. actually. |
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BootinUp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-10-08 02:59 PM Response to Reply #3 |
7. I forget occasionally, but DU'ers always |
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DrFunkenstein (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-10-08 02:56 PM Response to Original message |
4. Welcome to The Minstrel Show |
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bunnies (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-10-08 02:59 PM Response to Reply #4 |
8. oh sure. |
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Muddy Waters Guitar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-10-08 06:42 PM Response to Reply #4 |
48. Good pic |
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FrenchieCat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-10-08 02:58 PM Response to Original message |
5. I'm sure that Mr. Cuomo knew exactly what he was talking about...... |
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Gormy Cuss (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-10-08 03:14 PM Response to Reply #5 |
20. Absolutely no doubt in my mind either. |
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BootinUp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-10-08 02:58 PM Response to Original message |
6. How can you read that definition and say "It ALWAYS is racist"? |
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Barack_America (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-10-08 03:02 PM Response to Reply #6 |
12. How can you read that definition and say it's not? |
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BootinUp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-10-08 03:05 PM Response to Reply #12 |
15. Clearly the definition you posted |
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Elidor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-10-08 03:08 PM Response to Reply #12 |
16. Your own post above shows that it's not as cut and dried as you make it out to be |
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Barack_America (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-10-08 03:11 PM Response to Reply #16 |
18. Please explain. n/t |
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Forrest Greene (946 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-10-08 03:29 PM Response to Reply #12 |
23. Using any term that originated during and was used to describe the conditions of slavery is racist. |
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Barack_America (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-10-08 03:43 PM Response to Reply #23 |
28. How so? |
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Forrest Greene (946 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-11-08 01:03 PM Response to Reply #28 |
76. Absolute Statements |
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fightindonkey (674 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-10-08 03:55 PM Response to Reply #23 |
32. Nope. Next Posting. |
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alcibiades_mystery (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-10-08 03:09 PM Response to Reply #6 |
17. Notice that it NEVER means "bobbing and weaving" |
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Captain Hilts (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-10-08 02:59 PM Response to Original message |
9. I know it as "shuffling and jiving." Yes, it is racist. nt |
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shain from kane (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-10-08 03:02 PM Response to Original message |
10. I've heard it used in the context of a football game to describe a particularly |
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Muddy Waters Guitar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-10-08 03:02 PM Response to Original message |
11. Yes |
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readmoreoften (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-10-08 03:04 PM Response to Original message |
13. Of course it's racist. |
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Essene (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-10-08 03:05 PM Response to Original message |
14. Why this implies racism, regardless of the intention |
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snagglepuss (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-10-08 04:12 PM Response to Reply #14 |
38. Your post reminds me of a ludicrous incident at work. For a summer potluck at work |
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Recursion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-10-08 10:21 PM Response to Reply #14 |
67. If a computer randomly generates the phrase from a dictionary, is it racist? n/t |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-10-08 03:13 PM Response to Original message |
19. Whatever... read your own frickin source: |
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Barack_America (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-10-08 03:16 PM Response to Reply #19 |
21. "The original meaning of deceit often remains" |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-10-08 03:31 PM Response to Reply #21 |
24. That's what he was trying to say... you can't get away with lying so easily. |
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Barack_America (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-10-08 03:37 PM Response to Reply #24 |
26. But why, oh God why would you use a phrase rooted in slavery... |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-10-08 03:43 PM Response to Reply #26 |
29. deleted |
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Muddy Waters Guitar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-11-08 12:41 AM Response to Reply #26 |
75. and in Jim Crow, for that matter |
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Barack_America (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-10-08 03:24 PM Response to Original message |
22. At the very best, using this term suggests that Cuomo... |
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kwassa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-10-08 03:33 PM Response to Original message |
25. To use it as a description of Obama is racist. The intent is to call attention to his race. |
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fightindonkey (674 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-10-08 03:56 PM Response to Reply #25 |
33. How The Hell Do You Know What His Intent Was. Sounds Like He Was Calling Him Mr. Casanova To Me |
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kwassa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-10-08 04:31 PM Response to Reply #33 |
39. what does "shuckin' and jivin" have to do with Casanova?????? |
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FredScuttle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-10-08 03:41 PM Response to Original message |
27. Sigh....yet another debate I never thought I'd see on DU |
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Barack_America (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-10-08 03:45 PM Response to Reply #27 |
30. ??? |
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FredScuttle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-10-08 04:02 PM Response to Reply #30 |
35. Not worthless, just sad that there's still a question if its racist. |
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Barack_America (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-10-08 04:04 PM Response to Reply #35 |
36. That's what I thought and I agree. Have you seen the Hillary=Bush in a Dress |
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fightindonkey (674 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-10-08 03:54 PM Response to Original message |
31. It Means "Talking Pure Baloney", "Goofing Off", "Goofing Around" TODAY! |
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kwassa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-10-08 04:42 PM Response to Reply #31 |
40. Try again. |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-10-08 04:00 PM Response to Original message |
34. I guess the (white) people in SC who explained it as eating oysters and bullshitting were mistaken |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-10-08 04:07 PM Response to Original message |
37. Deleted message |
nealmhughes (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-10-08 05:25 PM Response to Original message |
41. I would not put too much faith in Yahoo Answers for scholarly sourcing. |
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Barack_America (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-10-08 05:34 PM Response to Reply #41 |
42. It's not my first choice either, but I couldn't find anything about "Shuck n Jive" |
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nealmhughes (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-10-08 05:54 PM Response to Reply #42 |
45. I think that is because it the first hit on Google! |
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muriel_volestrangler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-10-08 07:57 PM Response to Reply #42 |
56. OED entry on 'shucking and jiving': |
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Anouka (712 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-10-08 05:39 PM Response to Original message |
43. Not even black Americans? |
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Barack_America (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-10-08 06:43 PM Response to Reply #43 |
49. Noted. n/t |
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David Zephyr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-10-08 05:43 PM Response to Original message |
44. Of course it is. I can't believe the AG of NY might get away with this shit. |
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Chovexani (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-10-08 05:58 PM Response to Original message |
46. This thread is completely depressing. |
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AspenRose (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-10-08 07:03 PM Response to Reply #46 |
51. Hey, better leave that tar baby alone, Chovexani. |
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Karenina (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-10-08 07:27 PM Response to Reply #51 |
53. Now THAT should get you a DUZY!!! |
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Chovexani (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-10-08 07:31 PM Response to Reply #53 |
54. Co-signed! |
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incapsulated (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-10-08 08:01 PM Response to Reply #46 |
57. This darkie says it's bullshit |
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Barack_America (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-10-08 08:07 PM Response to Reply #57 |
59. "Barack Obama is a beautiful symbol" |
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incapsulated (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-10-08 08:11 PM Response to Reply #59 |
60. That's what he has made *himself* |
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Barack_America (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-10-08 08:14 PM Response to Reply #60 |
61. "I'll spank mine if you spank yours" |
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Chovexani (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-10-08 10:10 PM Response to Reply #57 |
63. And this darkie says you're missing the point. |
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Barack_America (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-10-08 10:21 PM Response to Reply #63 |
66. "we don't all think alike" |
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CyberPieHole (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-10-08 06:15 PM Response to Original message |
47. Maybe Obama will apologize for the homophobe McClurkin and we can all hold hands.... |
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spooky3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-10-08 07:03 PM Response to Original message |
50. Yes, it is. Very inappropriate statement by Cuomo. |
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RufusTFirefly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-10-08 07:07 PM Response to Original message |
52. Cuomo wouldn't use "jewed" would he? |
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Igel (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-10-08 07:55 PM Response to Reply #52 |
55. The problem is knowledge. |
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Chovexani (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-10-08 10:17 PM Response to Reply #55 |
64. The problem is that NO ONE EVER LISTENS. |
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LittleBlue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-10-08 10:19 PM Response to Reply #64 |
65. I'm in my early 20's |
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Barack_America (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-10-08 10:56 PM Response to Reply #65 |
68. Exactly. He's a politician. He knows how to filter what he says. |
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Barack_America (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-10-08 08:04 PM Response to Original message |
58. Whatever. The "beautiful symbol" comment was much, much worse... |
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depakid (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-10-08 08:14 PM Response to Original message |
62. Hogwash -people use that phrase all the time these days |
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FredScuttle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-11-08 12:05 AM Response to Reply #62 |
74. Use the phrase "shuck n' jive" on 110th street in NYC and see how far you get with that bullshit |
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Infinite Hope (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-10-08 11:38 PM Response to Original message |
69. When did Cuomo use it? (Not doubting, just asking as I hadn't heard). n/t |
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Barack_America (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-10-08 11:40 PM Response to Reply #69 |
72. This article has a good history of the incident...LINK |
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EffieBlack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-10-08 11:40 PM Response to Original message |
70. "Shuck and Jive" is unqualifiedly racist. n/t |
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Bonobo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-10-08 11:40 PM Response to Original message |
71. Fucking thank you! I couldn't believe the assholes that were trying to explain that one! |
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Dob Bole (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-10-08 11:42 PM Response to Original message |
73. Like John the Conqueror? |
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