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Tess99 (249 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-16-08 01:08 PM Original message |
Obama's Church and the Double Standard |
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IndianaJones (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-16-08 01:12 PM Response to Original message |
1. I'm interested to see any responses to this. nt. |
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Bluerthanblue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-16-08 01:14 PM Response to Reply #1 |
2. hmmm... |
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IndianaJones (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-16-08 01:17 PM Response to Reply #2 |
5. 3 recs. nt. |
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Tess99 (249 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-16-08 01:18 PM Response to Reply #2 |
8. There is no response. The smearing of Obams's church is happening |
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TokenWasp (56 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-16-08 01:58 PM Original message |
Wrong... |
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Tess99 (249 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-16-08 02:14 PM Response to Original message |
88. The black church has historically been political |
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TokenWasp (56 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-16-08 02:20 PM Response to Reply #88 |
93. and how in the world ... |
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indimuse (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-16-08 05:24 PM Response to Reply #88 |
115. I think ALL churches should be TAXED!!! |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-16-08 01:15 PM Response to Original message |
3. I've been trying to avoid getting sucked into the whole "Obama's church" nonsense... |
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Essene (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-16-08 01:18 PM Response to Reply #3 |
7. That's all, but it's not insignificant and not going to vanish. |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-16-08 01:20 PM Response to Reply #7 |
11. Well my indignation is going to be a response, valid or not... |
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Essene (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-16-08 01:24 PM Response to Reply #11 |
19. Fair enough (im with you too lol) |
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aquart (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-16-08 01:23 PM Response to Reply #7 |
17. Hillary was not the one doing the race baiting. |
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Essene (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-16-08 01:24 PM Response to Reply #17 |
20. i STONGLY disagree. |
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aquart (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-16-08 01:32 PM Response to Reply #20 |
27. Doesn't matter if you disagree. |
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Essene (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-16-08 01:42 PM Response to Reply #27 |
46. You dont know what you are talking about. Just drop it. |
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cali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-16-08 01:58 PM Response to Reply #27 |
67. More crap |
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ellacott (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-16-08 01:34 PM Response to Reply #17 |
31. They made HIM stop |
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cali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-16-08 01:55 PM Response to Reply #17 |
63. bullshit. |
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Essene (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-16-08 02:00 PM Response to Reply #63 |
70. but but but charlie rangel supported clinton!!! (exactly) |
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DURHAM D (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-16-08 01:48 PM Original message |
I guess you missed the debate last night where Obama |
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ellacott (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-16-08 01:59 PM Response to Original message |
68. Actually he didn't |
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DURHAM D (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-16-08 02:13 PM Response to Reply #68 |
86. You apparently don't understand |
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ellacott (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-16-08 02:20 PM Response to Reply #86 |
92. Oh please, stop it |
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indimuse (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-16-08 05:30 PM Response to Reply #86 |
116. He's listening to his Co Chair Jesse Jackson Jr... |
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Essene (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-16-08 02:17 PM Response to Original message |
90. Stop lying, thanks. |
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aquart (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-16-08 01:21 PM Response to Reply #3 |
13. It is, as usual with Obama I'm noticing, the wrong question. |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-16-08 01:22 PM Response to Reply #13 |
16. Eh... I don't care. It's personal, his business. (nt) |
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aquart (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-16-08 01:27 PM Response to Reply #16 |
24. Awww, you so know that isn't true. |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-16-08 01:33 PM Response to Reply #24 |
29. What's not true? I really do believe religion is personal. |
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IndianaJones (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-16-08 01:36 PM Response to Reply #29 |
32. religion helps drive politics. it is relevant. nt. |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-16-08 01:39 PM Response to Reply #32 |
40. Only because there are too many idiots. |
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IndianaJones (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-16-08 01:41 PM Response to Reply #40 |
42. Aren't you concerned if a candidate has said that religion has a place in public policy? nt. |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-16-08 01:42 PM Response to Reply #42 |
45. Depends on their actions. (nt) |
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IndianaJones (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-16-08 01:43 PM Response to Reply #45 |
48. Obama has referenced religious traditions as basis for his opposition to gay marriage... |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-16-08 01:45 PM Response to Reply #48 |
50. That's the kind of talk |
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IndianaJones (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-16-08 01:48 PM Response to Reply #50 |
55. If my answers frighten you then you should cease asking scary questions. nt. |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-16-08 01:50 PM Response to Reply #55 |
57. I didn't ask you any questions. (nt) |
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IndianaJones (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-16-08 01:52 PM Response to Reply #57 |
59. did to. nt. |
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aquart (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-16-08 01:36 PM Response to Reply #29 |
33. Ah. |
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IndianaJones (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-16-08 01:37 PM Response to Reply #33 |
36. Morpheus? nt. |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-16-08 01:39 PM Response to Reply #33 |
39. Why are you getting ugly with me? I'm not "incurious like our George". |
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Essene (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-16-08 01:38 PM Response to Reply #29 |
38. It's private, but when your church is seen as "separatist" it is no longer private |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-16-08 01:40 PM Response to Reply #38 |
41. As I've already explained to you... |
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Essene (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-16-08 01:46 PM Response to Reply #41 |
52. I disagree. This isnt just about "racists" at all. |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-16-08 01:46 PM Response to Reply #52 |
53. It sure as hell is. |
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H2O Man (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-16-08 01:51 PM Response to Reply #53 |
58. You are, of |
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indimuse (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-16-08 05:37 PM Response to Reply #53 |
117. This is Obama's Pastor ..Dr.Wright he and MIchelle were married in this church. |
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Tess99 (249 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-16-08 01:45 PM Response to Reply #38 |
51. It's not seperatist and not a "black power" chuch. |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-16-08 01:47 PM Response to Reply #51 |
54. I was wondering that too... |
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Essene (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-16-08 01:53 PM Response to Reply #51 |
60. Look at their website, for starters... |
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H2O Man (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-16-08 01:55 PM Response to Reply #60 |
61. "Unashamedly Black" |
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Essene (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-16-08 02:01 PM Response to Reply #61 |
72. Me? No. That's not the point... n/t |
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H2O Man (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-16-08 02:06 PM Response to Reply #72 |
79. Yep. |
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Essene (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-16-08 02:10 PM Response to Reply #79 |
84. Beleive whatever you want. Pretentious attacks dont change the facts... this is going to blow up |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-16-08 01:55 PM Response to Reply #60 |
62. It's the title of a frickin book! |
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Essene (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-16-08 01:56 PM Response to Reply #62 |
66. It's a lot more than that... obviously n/t |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-16-08 02:02 PM Response to Reply #66 |
73. Where else is this oh-so-threatening "Black Power" mentioned? (nt) |
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Essene (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-16-08 02:04 PM Response to Reply #73 |
76. #60 may be something worth actually reading if you want to respond to it |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-16-08 02:06 PM Response to Reply #76 |
80. I did read it. That's the only time "Black Power" is mentioned... |
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Essene (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-16-08 02:08 PM Response to Reply #80 |
82. And? |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-16-08 02:09 PM Response to Reply #82 |
83. " this is going to FREAK racist mainstream americans out" |
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Essene (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-16-08 02:12 PM Response to Reply #83 |
85. =) |
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Tess99 (249 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-16-08 02:18 PM Response to Reply #60 |
91. Did you even read the link? |
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Essene (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-16-08 02:28 PM Response to Reply #91 |
97. I'm not interested in debating judaism vs black theology, etc. |
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Essene (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-16-08 01:37 PM Response to Reply #24 |
35. As best i understand this biographical issue... |
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tammywammy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-16-08 01:42 PM Response to Reply #35 |
44. They met at a law firm |
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ellacott (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-16-08 01:42 PM Response to Reply #24 |
47. Looks like you're going to have to buy the book |
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mrdemocrat78 (535 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-16-08 01:26 PM Response to Reply #13 |
22. He's Also Related To BUSH & CHENEY |
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aquart (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-16-08 01:30 PM Response to Reply #22 |
25. Uh, why would you think family is linked to religion? |
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tammywammy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-16-08 01:44 PM Response to Reply #25 |
49. Hasn't done anything for his family? |
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Essene (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-16-08 01:26 PM Response to Reply #13 |
23. Read his book? I "found religion" through this church. |
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Tess99 (249 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-16-08 01:32 PM Response to Reply #13 |
28. He and Michelle have been giving money to a school in this father's hometown |
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Torn_Scorned_Ignored (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-16-08 02:13 PM Response to Reply #13 |
87. ...What I want to know is about the journey that found this church. |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-16-08 03:08 PM Response to Reply #87 |
101. Thank you. |
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aquart (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-16-08 01:15 PM Response to Original message |
4. Funny they never thought to mention the Vatican. |
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Captain Hilts (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-16-08 01:21 PM Response to Reply #4 |
15. With Cardinal Rat - the Dick Cheney of the Vatican - in charge they catch a lot of crap too... |
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aquart (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-16-08 01:34 PM Response to Reply #15 |
30. Are any Jews running? I don't think so. |
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bidenista (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-16-08 01:23 PM Response to Reply #4 |
18. because catholicism has nothing to do with ethnic identity? |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-16-08 01:25 PM Response to Reply #18 |
21. I was wondering about that too... |
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LostinVA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-16-08 01:37 PM Response to Reply #18 |
34. Actually, it very, very much does -- depending on your ethnic background |
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Captain Hilts (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-16-08 02:00 PM Response to Reply #18 |
69. To many it is strongly tied to Italians and Irish, who are seen as MOBSTERS! nt |
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IronLionZion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-16-08 03:20 PM Response to Reply #69 |
103. and Hispanics, who are seen as Hispanic! nt |
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IronLionZion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-16-08 03:22 PM Response to Reply #4 |
104. Is the Vatican in any way comparable to Israel or Africa? |
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FrenchieCat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-16-08 01:18 PM Response to Original message |
6. Yes, because although Howard Dean is of the same denomination.....according to Wiki |
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Essene (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-16-08 01:19 PM Response to Reply #6 |
9. You're intentionally confusing the UCC and the TUCC. Be sincere, at least... |
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Captain Hilts (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-16-08 01:20 PM Response to Original message |
10. Farrakkan is an anti-Semitic, and a sexist. He's a religious 3rd rail as Robertson, Falwell are. |
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avaistheone1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-16-08 01:31 PM Response to Reply #10 |
26. My understanding is Obama's church published a magazine in praise of Farrakkan |
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LostinVA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-16-08 01:37 PM Response to Reply #26 |
37. I would like a link, please |
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ieoeja (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-16-08 05:19 PM Response to Reply #37 |
114. Obama's response. |
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Essene (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-16-08 01:41 PM Response to Reply #26 |
43. Any mention of him would have to be seen in context of local chicago community activitsm |
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avaistheone1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-16-08 02:16 PM Response to Reply #43 |
89. Here's the link. And there appears to be more to this. |
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Essene (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-16-08 02:24 PM Response to Reply #89 |
95. Yes, but as i said... this has to be understood in context of local chicago politics |
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IronLionZion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-16-08 03:10 PM Response to Reply #89 |
102. So by merely attending the church, he's guilty by association? |
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Essene (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-16-08 04:07 PM Response to Reply #102 |
106. He cant very well diss his pastor tho =D |
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avaistheone1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-16-08 04:13 PM Response to Reply #106 |
109. Why not? If he disagrees with him, it is Obama's responsibility to at the very least speak out, |
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Essene (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-16-08 05:02 PM Response to Reply #109 |
111. Disassociated, maybe. But not DISS his pastor. lol |
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avaistheone1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-16-08 04:11 PM Response to Reply #102 |
108. When the politics are of hate - the association is of concern |
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IronLionZion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-16-08 04:47 PM Response to Reply #108 |
110. if not weak and sketchy at best. nt |
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IronLionZion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-16-08 03:02 PM Response to Reply #10 |
100. How exactly is he linked to Farrakkan? |
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Essene (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-16-08 05:04 PM Response to Reply #100 |
112. cuz his local black church said something nice about him last year because... |
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IronLionZion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-16-08 05:50 PM Response to Reply #112 |
119. well in that case, let's punish every member of that church. Got a pitchfork and torch? nt |
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Essene (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-16-08 01:21 PM Response to Original message |
12. Honestly... getting this smearing over with EARLY is a good thing... |
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ellacott (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-16-08 01:48 PM Response to Reply #12 |
56. Very true |
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H2O Man (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-16-08 01:21 PM Response to Original message |
14. Nominated. |
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TokenWasp (56 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-16-08 01:56 PM Response to Original message |
64. I must have missed something..... |
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H2O Man (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-16-08 02:01 PM Response to Reply #64 |
71. You missed many things. |
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TokenWasp (56 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-16-08 02:04 PM Response to Reply #71 |
77. Wow...good one....got me there!! |
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H2O Man (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-16-08 02:06 PM Response to Reply #77 |
81. Bet it does. |
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TokenWasp (56 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-16-08 02:21 PM Response to Reply #81 |
94. Zinged again! |
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Tess99 (249 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-16-08 02:24 PM Response to Reply #64 |
96. The majority of white chuch goes |
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TokenWasp (56 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-16-08 02:29 PM Response to Reply #96 |
98. I have no problem with self-segregation... |
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Essene (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-16-08 05:04 PM Response to Reply #98 |
113. well, obama's message is one of unification, not division and separation |
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Essene (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-16-08 02:30 PM Response to Reply #96 |
99. because while many churches are all-white... the whites dont see themselves as going to white church |
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joeybee12 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-16-08 01:56 PM Response to Original message |
65. Nice anti-semitic post... |
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Essene (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-16-08 02:02 PM Response to Reply #65 |
74. huh? DU at a new low. |
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Captain Hilts (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-16-08 02:02 PM Response to Reply #65 |
75. And Farakkan has a long record of sexism. But no one really cares about that. nt |
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Essene (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-16-08 02:05 PM Response to Reply #75 |
78. And if somebody in his flock ran for President, i'm sure nobody would care... |
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LibertyLover (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-16-08 03:34 PM Response to Original message |
105. A few weeks ago I got that awful spam e-mail |
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Essene (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-16-08 04:09 PM Response to Reply #105 |
107. Hmm, ive yet to see THIS email. Ive only seen the muslim one. |
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DemocratSinceBirth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-16-08 05:38 PM Response to Original message |
118. I Don't Get It |
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