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marlonjose (32 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-31-08 07:13 AM Original message |
A trend that worries me: Obama vs. McCain |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-31-08 07:14 AM Response to Original message |
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marlonjose (32 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-31-08 07:16 AM Response to Reply #1 |
4. I wish it were that simple n/t |
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Tesha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-31-08 07:42 AM Response to Reply #1 |
16. One wonders why we don't win more elections then. |
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cali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-31-08 07:48 AM Response to Reply #16 |
19. Because the swelling of dem ranks is relatively new |
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Tesha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-31-08 07:51 AM Response to Reply #19 |
23. But we didn't win in 2006 like those numbers would suggest either. |
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cali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-31-08 08:10 AM Response to Reply #23 |
28. We won more seats in more districts in 2006 than |
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Phillycat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-31-08 09:21 AM Response to Reply #16 |
53. Registered Dems don't vote. |
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Tesha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-31-08 10:13 AM Response to Reply #53 |
60. Thanks. (But it was a rhetorical question, of course. ;-) ) (NT) |
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peacebird (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-31-08 08:01 AM Response to Reply #1 |
24. then how do you explain two terms for GWB? we WERE America, fool, and we let it slip away. |
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Freida5 (649 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-31-08 07:15 AM Response to Original message |
2. Add in Bloomberg and Obama loses |
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karynnj (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-31-08 07:34 AM Response to Reply #2 |
12. Bloomberg has less of a rationale to run if Obama is the candidate |
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Maribelle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-31-08 08:06 AM Response to Reply #12 |
25. But doesn't Bloomberg consider Ted Kennedy the extreme left? |
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karynnj (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-31-08 10:07 AM Response to Reply #25 |
59. But JFK is not considered extreme - and that is what Caroline Kennedy brings |
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GalleryGod (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-31-08 07:46 AM Response to Reply #2 |
18. No add in Bloomberg and McCain crashes.. |
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Adelante (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-31-08 07:16 AM Response to Original message |
3. A Democratic candidate who did not vote for the IWR |
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Tyler Durden (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-31-08 07:20 AM Response to Reply #3 |
5. He wasn't in the senate yet to vote for the IWR. |
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Adelante (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-31-08 07:35 AM Response to Reply #5 |
13. Pick your issues and I'll pick mine |
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cali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-31-08 07:49 AM Response to Reply #13 |
20. Let wholeheartedly agree. n/t |
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karynnj (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-31-08 07:44 AM Response to Reply #5 |
17. As Kennnedy and Kerry have said he was on the record against the war then |
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Maribelle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-31-08 08:46 AM Response to Reply #17 |
45. Oh please. Obama lied so much yesterday in Colorado against Hillary's record I'll bet he can... |
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karynnj (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-31-08 09:31 AM Response to Reply #45 |
58. I did not say that Obama was a saint |
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Jawja (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-31-08 07:21 AM Response to Reply #3 |
6. AND a Republican |
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Skittles (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-31-08 07:24 AM Response to Reply #6 |
9. the average American right now does not give a F*** about Iraq |
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Jawja (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-31-08 07:49 AM Response to Reply #9 |
22. So maybe the Dem candidate |
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Skittles (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-31-08 08:55 AM Response to Reply #22 |
48. it would be a good strategy |
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SammyWinstonJack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-31-08 08:09 AM Response to Reply #9 |
27. Very true. |
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opihimoimoi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-31-08 07:22 AM Response to Original message |
7. Its an unspoken Pub Plot...to get Obama Nom'd....they see him as the easier to beat in the GE |
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robbedvoter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-31-08 07:24 AM Response to Original message |
8. America doesn't want permanent war. Sure MSM will turn on Obama the second |
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Clarkansas (701 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-31-08 07:27 AM Response to Original message |
10. You know that Perot and Dukakis lead polls this far out, right? eom |
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rox63 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-31-08 07:28 AM Response to Original message |
11. Put 71 year-old McCain on a debate stage with a young, vibrant Obama |
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Maribelle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-31-08 07:49 AM Response to Reply #11 |
21. Obama has been poor in the Democratic debates. I'll bet he has been heavily coached for tonight. |
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SammyWinstonJack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-31-08 08:11 AM Response to Reply #11 |
29. Just how many Americans watch the debates? |
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Maribelle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-31-08 08:13 AM Response to Reply #29 |
31. While they might not watch, the ensuing news cycles are wall-to-wall issues from the debates. |
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Meshuga (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-31-08 08:21 AM Response to Reply #11 |
38. More than the debates... |
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Maribelle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-31-08 08:25 AM Response to Reply #38 |
41. Yep - we saw those EXACT independents go for McCain over Obama in New Hampshire. |
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Meshuga (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-31-08 08:41 AM Response to Reply #41 |
44. Is that right? |
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Maribelle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-31-08 08:49 AM Response to Reply #44 |
47. And? Are you quoting exit polls? The truth is Obama and all of MSM had him way ahead of Hillary.. |
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Meshuga (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-31-08 08:55 AM Response to Reply #47 |
49. I will favor exit polls over Diebold anytime. |
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Maribelle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-31-08 07:38 AM Response to Original message |
14. The evisceration of Romney by McCain is a clay model for Obama. |
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Byronic (379 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-31-08 07:42 AM Response to Original message |
15. It is rarely what the issue is |
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Hersheygirl (353 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-31-08 08:07 AM Response to Original message |
26. Have any of you nay sayers really had a good look at the |
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SammyWinstonJack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-31-08 08:16 AM Response to Reply #26 |
35. Your sandbox? And how many people actually watch the presidential debates anyway? |
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Maribelle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-31-08 08:23 AM Response to Reply #26 |
39. When you were listening to the debate last night, did you notice the well-oiled machine in action? |
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Byronic (379 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-31-08 08:24 AM Response to Reply #26 |
40. Reminds me of the old Adlai Stevenson line: |
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Phillycat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-31-08 09:22 AM Response to Reply #26 |
54. Underestimate the power of stupid people in large groups at your own peril. |
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Dawgs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-31-08 08:12 AM Response to Original message |
30. Two groups(that have never vote) will vote for Obama over McCain. |
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Maribelle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-31-08 08:15 AM Response to Reply #30 |
34. McCain will point out how Obama flip flopped. First against, then voting for funding. |
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mtnsnake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-31-08 08:14 AM Response to Original message |
32. If Obama is our nominee, everyone better pray their asses off that McCain isn't his opponent |
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tekisui (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-31-08 08:15 AM Response to Original message |
33. You are delusional if you think America *wants* McCain. |
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Maribelle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-31-08 08:19 AM Response to Reply #33 |
37. One point that you need to keep in mind: the Bush reelection of 2004. |
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tekisui (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-31-08 08:29 AM Response to Reply #37 |
42. I don't buy it anymore. Not this time. |
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Maribelle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-31-08 08:39 AM Response to Reply #42 |
43. The Presidential Primary results in Florida ungraciously refutes your claim. |
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tekisui (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-31-08 08:47 AM Response to Reply #43 |
46. You can't count on Florida anyway. |
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Maribelle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-31-08 08:56 AM Response to Reply #46 |
50. If, if only, but, would have, doesn't cut it. Reality does. |
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tekisui (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-31-08 09:07 AM Response to Reply #50 |
51. I respect the intelligence of Florida voters. |
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polichick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-31-08 08:18 AM Response to Original message |
36. If it's McCain and Obama... |
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UALRBSofL (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-31-08 09:19 AM Response to Reply #36 |
52. Look at the Rasmussen polls |
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Maribelle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-31-08 09:24 AM Response to Reply #52 |
56. Six million households in Florida received Obama's "national" campaign ads. |
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polichick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-31-08 01:48 PM Response to Reply #56 |
62. That's ridiculous - an ad campaign is the tip of the iceberg... |
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polichick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-31-08 01:41 PM Response to Reply #52 |
61. It's amazing to me that people have put concerns about the war... |
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rucky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-31-08 09:23 AM Response to Original message |
55. McCain's a fossil. People want change. n/t |
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Stop Cornyn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-31-08 09:25 AM Response to Original message |
57. I'm worried generally that we have cleverly narrowed the field to 2 candidate who do poorly against |
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FrenchieCat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-31-08 01:49 PM Response to Reply #57 |
63. But why do you think that Edwards would have done better? |
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Stop Cornyn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-31-08 02:14 PM Response to Reply #63 |
68. (1) head-to-head polling and (2) Edwards emphasis on populism had cross-party appeal. Let's just be |
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susanr516 (823 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-31-08 01:58 PM Response to Reply #57 |
66. Yeah, Stop C-- |
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jillan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-31-08 01:50 PM Response to Original message |
64. All I want from Obama right now is for him to show that he can fight. |
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AtomicKitten (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-31-08 01:52 PM Response to Original message |
65. Bottom line: Obama fares better in matchups with the GOP. |
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Spider Jerusalem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-31-08 02:01 PM Response to Original message |
67. The right running mate could make all the difference in an Obama/McCain matchup. |
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