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Solon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-03-08 12:33 PM Original message |
To those who say they won't vote for Hillary if she is the nominee... |
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TwilightGardener (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-03-08 12:34 PM Response to Original message |
1. I don't care about policy as much as I do character, integrity and leadership. |
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rug (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-03-08 12:47 PM Response to Reply #1 |
14. I look for those qualities in a pastor, not a president. |
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emilyg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-03-08 12:48 PM Response to Reply #14 |
15. Amen. |
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TwilightGardener (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-03-08 07:10 PM Response to Reply #14 |
27. Well, that's your choice. Policies can shift and change. Character, integrity and leadership |
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Solon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-03-08 10:13 PM Response to Reply #27 |
32. If we were looking for either of those three in a candidate, then neither candidate qualifies... |
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TwilightGardener (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-03-08 10:36 PM Response to Reply #32 |
49. I think Obama has all three qualities by the truckload. |
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Solon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-03-08 10:41 PM Response to Reply #49 |
52. I don't, just another politician. |
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TwilightGardener (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-03-08 10:54 PM Response to Reply #52 |
55. Of course he's a politician. That doesn't mean you automatically |
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Solon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-03-08 10:58 PM Response to Reply #55 |
56. I have yet to see evidence that Obama or Hillary for that matter, deserves either trust or respect. |
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TwilightGardener (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-03-08 11:09 PM Response to Reply #56 |
58. Well, sorry to hear that. You could always go Nader, I suppose. Or do a write-in. |
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Solon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-03-08 11:14 PM Response to Reply #58 |
61. You do realize I'm the OP, right? |
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InAbLuEsTaTe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-03-08 10:46 PM Response to Reply #49 |
54. I'm with you. |
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Triana (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-03-08 11:33 PM Response to Reply #49 |
68. Obama certainly has a LOT more of those qualities than Hillary does, IMO. n/t |
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dogday (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-04-08 06:40 PM Response to Reply #49 |
127. You do realize his whole campaign is scripted by paid advisors just like |
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mamalone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-04-08 03:59 PM Response to Reply #27 |
115. Well said! |
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dennysp (210 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-03-08 11:33 PM Response to Reply #14 |
67. I REMEMBER THIS ARGUMENT IN THE 1990'S |
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cali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-04-08 12:36 AM Response to Reply #14 |
74. two words: tricky dick. and a couple more. |
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Erin Elizabeth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-04-08 12:39 AM Response to Reply #14 |
75. REALLY? |
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rug (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-04-08 11:10 AM Response to Reply #75 |
105. The Constitution is premised on unscrupolous leaders. That's why there are checks and balances. |
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Eric Condon (761 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-04-08 12:46 AM Response to Reply #14 |
77. What qualities ARE you looking for in a president, then? |
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Duke Newcombe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-04-08 12:51 AM Response to Reply #14 |
79. And maybe "settling" like that is the problem, doncha think? eom |
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Splinter Cell (498 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-04-08 09:33 AM Response to Reply #14 |
102. Which is why.. |
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IndianaJones (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-03-08 12:50 PM Response to Reply #1 |
18. we can see that by your avatar. nt. |
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IsItJustMe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-03-08 07:15 PM Response to Reply #1 |
28. Character is my key also. As a Democrat, I will not vote for McCain and I can't vote for Hillary on |
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goclark (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-03-08 10:17 PM Response to Reply #1 |
37. HCBC as C0 -President, with him running the show |
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roguevalley (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-03-08 11:11 PM Response to Reply #1 |
59. I agree, weinerdoggie. she isn't trustworthy. we have had one of those for eight years. |
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Triana (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-03-08 11:17 PM Response to Reply #1 |
63. BINGO! Exactly. It's about INTEGRITY, character, and leadership and about how she'll *implement* |
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Why Syzygy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-03-08 12:35 PM Response to Original message |
2. Bomb Bomb Bomb Bomb Bomb Iran ... gonna vote for that? |
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Upton (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-03-08 12:39 PM Response to Reply #2 |
7. Nuke nuke nuke nuke Iran......gonna vote for that? |
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Why Syzygy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-03-08 01:14 PM Response to Reply #7 |
23. I was talking about HilLIARy. But I understand the confusion. nuff said |
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populistdriven (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-04-08 12:13 AM Response to Reply #7 |
73. Boil Boil Boil Boil Iran......gonna vote for that? |
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elizm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-03-08 12:48 PM Response to Reply #2 |
16. Hillary will obliterate them. nt |
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Solon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-03-08 10:15 PM Response to Reply #2 |
34. The fact is that Hillary was contributing to "cowboy talk" as some call it, but neither candidate... |
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cali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-04-08 12:39 AM Response to Reply #34 |
76. that's nothing but your opinion. mine differs. |
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goclark (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-03-08 10:19 PM Response to Reply #2 |
38. And what did she boldly say that she would do to another |
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dkf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-03-08 12:35 PM Response to Original message |
3. And Hillary's vote for the Iraq war and her middle east umbrella |
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DJ13 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-03-08 12:36 PM Response to Original message |
4. there are very few policy disagreements between her and Obama |
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John Q. Citizen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-03-08 12:36 PM Response to Original message |
5. To those who say "...if she is the nominee" you are in denial. So don't worry be happy! |
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Upton (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-03-08 12:37 PM Response to Original message |
6. Claiming she would nuke Iran sounds Republican to me |
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MonkeyFunk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-03-08 12:40 PM Response to Reply #6 |
8. Yeah |
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DJ13 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-03-08 12:41 PM Response to Reply #8 |
10. but she didn't claim that exactly now, did she? |
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Bake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-03-08 01:18 PM Response to Reply #6 |
25. If Iran nuked Israel, you think ANY President wouldn't pull the trigger? |
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Auntie Bush (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-03-08 10:25 PM Response to Reply #6 |
41. Sorry to disillusion you but it IS and ALWAYS has been AMERICAN |
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washingdem (467 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-03-08 12:40 PM Response to Original message |
9. She won't be the nominee, so luckily we won't have that dilemma. |
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provis99 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-03-08 12:43 PM Response to Original message |
11. so you're saying BOTH Obama and Clinton are Republicans? |
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Solon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-03-08 10:32 PM Response to Reply #11 |
47. There is one, whether its Obama or Clinton, they will do less damage than McCain... |
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swishyfeet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-03-08 12:45 PM Response to Original message |
12. I won't vote for her because it's over |
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ecdab (834 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-03-08 12:51 PM Response to Reply #12 |
19. Exactly - her campaign, not her policies (well - most of them anyway), are |
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Barack_America (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-03-08 12:46 PM Response to Original message |
13. Thanks, but those aren't the reasons I won't vote for her. |
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RazBerryBeret (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-03-08 12:49 PM Response to Reply #13 |
17. me neither... |
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Maureen54 (103 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-03-08 12:53 PM Response to Original message |
20. can't do it |
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Milo_Bloom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-03-08 12:55 PM Response to Original message |
21. She voted for the war. Thus, I will not vote for her. |
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annie1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-04-08 09:02 AM Response to Reply #21 |
99. would you have not voted for Biden or Edwards had they won the nomination? |
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Milo_Bloom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-04-08 03:43 PM Response to Reply #99 |
109. Absolutely not. |
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NorthCarolina (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-03-08 01:09 PM Response to Original message |
22. A huge problem for me personally is that Clinton is a DLC member |
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democrattotheend (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-03-08 01:16 PM Response to Original message |
24. I disagree that Obama has run a dirty campaign, but agree that Clinton is not a Republican |
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Catherina (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-03-08 02:27 PM Response to Original message |
26. And so begins Operation Outreach. Sorry no sale n/t |
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cyndensco (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-03-08 07:37 PM Response to Reply #26 |
29. catherina |
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Solon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-03-08 10:16 PM Response to Reply #26 |
35. If you think I'm a Hillary supporter, you need to take your meds... |
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ProgressiveMuslim (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-03-08 07:53 PM Response to Original message |
30. Her dirty right-wing tactics are a bigger threat to our party and our country |
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Solon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-03-08 10:26 PM Response to Reply #30 |
42. And Obama's tactics are exemplary? Where was his integrity and character back in October of last... |
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ProgressiveMuslim (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-04-08 07:36 AM Response to Reply #42 |
86. No comparison in tactics, IMO. nt |
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harun (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-04-08 04:02 PM Response to Reply #42 |
117. There is absolutely no comparison between tactics (n/t) |
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dansolo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-03-08 08:54 PM Response to Original message |
31. It's not her policies that I have a problem with |
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shadowknows69 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-03-08 10:14 PM Response to Original message |
33. Not gonna have to worry about it |
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SoCalDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-03-08 10:17 PM Response to Original message |
36. we will NOT stay home.. Ahhhnold will surely load up our ballots with some bullshit |
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Zhade (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-03-08 10:24 PM Response to Original message |
39. She's an unrepentant liar, and that's undeniable. I will never reward a liar. |
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Solon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-03-08 10:28 PM Response to Reply #39 |
44. So is Obama, they are both politicians, are they not? n/t |
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Zhade (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-03-08 10:34 PM Response to Reply #44 |
48. Uh, yeah, as soon as someone can actually PROVE his "lies", talk to me. |
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Solon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-03-08 10:36 PM Response to Reply #48 |
50. "He's just going to sing." |
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Zhade (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-04-08 12:47 AM Response to Reply #50 |
78. That's not even CLOSE to proof (and fyi, I'm queer, if it matters). |
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Solon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-04-08 12:58 AM Response to Reply #78 |
80. The fact is that Obama had control over the event, his campaign sponsored it... |
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Tarheel_Dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-04-08 06:09 AM Response to Reply #80 |
82. I am so sorry you are that "one issue" voter we hear so much about.... |
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Zhade (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-04-08 07:18 PM Response to Reply #80 |
131. I remain unconvinced of your argument. I find it flawed and juvenile. |
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TheDudeAbides (240 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-03-08 10:31 PM Response to Reply #39 |
46. They all lie; Obama lies! Get over it! They are politicians! Grow up!!!!! n/t |
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TheDoorbellRang (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-04-08 09:26 AM Response to Reply #46 |
101. That argument sounds like the "No big difference between Bush and Gore" argument |
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davidpdx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-03-08 10:24 PM Response to Original message |
40. I actually wouldn't stay home, I'd still vote, |
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Buzz Clik (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-03-08 10:26 PM Response to Original message |
43. I'll vote for her if she's the nominee, and then I'll go home and vomit. |
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Solon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-03-08 10:30 PM Response to Reply #43 |
45. I feel, more or less the same way about both of them... |
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kwenu (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-03-08 10:38 PM Response to Original message |
51. Agree to some degree however, she is too far behind Obama. Giving her the nom. isn't justified. |
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Pisces (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-03-08 10:43 PM Response to Original message |
53. She won't be the nominee. |
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pompano (506 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-03-08 11:22 PM Response to Reply #53 |
64. I can give you.... |
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pompano (506 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-03-08 11:25 PM Response to Reply #64 |
65. I'm sorry Pisces... |
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SwampG8r (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-03-08 11:03 PM Response to Original message |
57. well ok but |
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1776Forever (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-03-08 11:12 PM Response to Original message |
60. It is the war vote - Kyle-Lieberman vote - Dubai connections Bill has - Her misspeaks - |
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mtnsnake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-03-08 11:16 PM Response to Original message |
62. Great post. If this forum was halfway fair, your post would have 1000 recs |
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grantcart (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-03-08 11:29 PM Response to Original message |
66. Here's what would worry me |
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rufus dog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-03-08 11:33 PM Response to Original message |
69. I agree either one is better than McCain |
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Solon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-03-08 11:41 PM Response to Reply #69 |
71. Both candidates are center-right candidates, and so little will be done for the "progressive agenda" |
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hfojvt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-03-08 11:35 PM Response to Original message |
70. there is less difference between DLC and Republican |
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Solon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-03-08 11:42 PM Response to Reply #70 |
72. Both are still centrists... |
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solidguild (20 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-04-08 05:19 AM Response to Original message |
81. What you don't see is the truth. |
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WeDidIt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-04-08 06:17 AM Response to Original message |
83. At this point, I'd still vote for her |
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washingdem (467 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-04-08 07:38 AM Response to Reply #83 |
89. You summed up my thoughts as well. As of right now I'd very grudgingly vote for her. |
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my3boyz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-04-08 07:15 AM Response to Original message |
84. It is not about policy for me, it is the type of person that she is |
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WeDidIt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-04-08 07:16 AM Response to Reply #84 |
85. She is a very ugly person |
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ProgressiveMuslim (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-04-08 07:37 AM Response to Reply #85 |
88. So why vote for her? When will the Democratic party have to earn our votes? nt |
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Zachstar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-04-08 07:41 AM Response to Reply #88 |
91. Bingo! |
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ProgressiveMuslim (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-04-08 08:20 AM Response to Reply #91 |
98. A democratic party indistinguishable from the republican party is a far greater long-term |
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TheDudeAbides (240 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-04-08 07:37 AM Response to Reply #84 |
87. What is best for the party |
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Zachstar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-04-08 07:41 AM Response to Original message |
90. No I will not agree on that. |
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TheDudeAbides (240 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-04-08 07:47 AM Response to Reply #90 |
92. Hypothetical |
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Zachstar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-04-08 07:53 AM Response to Reply #92 |
93. Yes |
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Zachstar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-04-08 07:56 AM Response to Reply #93 |
94. BTW just to add to that. Anything that could make it impossible for him to win is uncertain. |
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TheDudeAbides (240 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-04-08 08:15 AM Response to Reply #94 |
97. Vetting process |
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Zachstar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-04-08 10:05 AM Response to Reply #97 |
104. The vetting is complete |
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TheDudeAbides (240 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-04-08 03:35 PM Response to Reply #104 |
107. You are wrong about that |
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Undercurrent (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-04-08 07:58 AM Response to Original message |
95. Trust |
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Zachstar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-04-08 08:07 AM Response to Reply #95 |
96. I want to thank you for saying that. |
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TheDudeAbides (240 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-04-08 03:45 PM Response to Reply #95 |
110. Then you are old enough to remember |
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Undercurrent (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-04-08 10:01 PM Response to Reply #110 |
134. Thank you for your kindness, TheDudeAbides. |
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mmonk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-04-08 09:10 AM Response to Original message |
100. I agree but will add a qualification. |
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dcindian (881 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-04-08 09:36 AM Response to Original message |
103. Fallacy: Argument of inclusion. |
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LWolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-04-08 11:13 AM Response to Original message |
106. It's true that there is little difference between them. |
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TBF (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-04-08 03:38 PM Response to Original message |
108. The problem is her war-mongering (well, one of her many problems) |
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kevinbgoode (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-04-08 03:46 PM Response to Original message |
111. Except I do not believe she will do anything. |
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JustAnotherGen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-04-08 03:51 PM Response to Original message |
112. Hmmm |
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cliffordu (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-04-08 03:52 PM Response to Original message |
113. She has also been selling our asses out to foreign governments |
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TheDudeAbides (240 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-04-08 03:53 PM Response to Reply #113 |
114. you do know that your post is so over the top that is loses it's intended effect n/t |
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cliffordu (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-04-08 03:59 PM Response to Reply #113 |
116. Hmm.... What about Colombia?? What about the Chinese?? |
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TheDudeAbides (240 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-04-08 04:10 PM Response to Reply #113 |
118. Or what about ABSOLUTELY NOTHING - what if Hillary had no history of doing ANYTHING? |
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cliffordu (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-04-08 04:11 PM Response to Reply #118 |
119. Well, then I'd vote for her instead.... |
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TheDudeAbides (240 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-04-08 04:37 PM Response to Reply #119 |
120. that explains your vote for Obama then - no problem |
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cliffordu (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-04-08 05:32 PM Response to Reply #120 |
121. You missed the sarcasm tag. |
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TheDudeAbides (240 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-04-08 05:45 PM Response to Reply #121 |
122. ok...i hope you are wrong about the future of our country |
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cliffordu (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-04-08 05:49 PM Response to Reply #122 |
123. Do you live close enough to know this as fact?? |
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TheDudeAbides (240 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-04-08 06:00 PM Response to Reply #123 |
124. Nope...I can only read what is available to me. |
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TheDudeAbides (240 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-04-08 06:37 PM Response to Reply #123 |
125. Do you have anything good for me to read about Obama's district in Chicago? |
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cliffordu (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-04-08 07:07 PM Response to Reply #125 |
129. No, that's why I asked - I imagine I could go to his website |
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TheDudeAbides (240 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-04-08 09:04 PM Response to Reply #129 |
133. Cliff..I'm sorry but that's the problem |
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BlooInBloo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-04-08 06:38 PM Response to Original message |
126. Though I agree with you, I wouldn't blame black folks in the least if they sat out. |
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WeDidIt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-04-08 06:41 PM Response to Original message |
128. If she nukes, she's worse than Repukes. n/t |
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stevietheman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-04-08 07:14 PM Response to Original message |
130. If she wins the most pledged delegates, I'll vote for her in the GE. |
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Jed Dilligan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-04-08 07:24 PM Response to Original message |
132. Policy positions don't matter this time. |
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