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Elspeth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-22-08 11:56 AM Original message |
Gore Vidal suggests African American violence of Obama doesn't get the nomination. |
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book_worm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-22-08 11:57 AM Response to Original message |
1. Sometimes Gore Vidal is an ass. |
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The Magistrate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-22-08 12:00 PM Original message |
Nailed It In One, Sir.... |
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dchill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-22-08 02:23 PM Response to Reply #1 |
109. USUALLY Gore Vidal is an ass... |
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Elspeth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-22-08 04:23 PM Response to Reply #109 |
136. You think he's right on this one? |
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dchill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-22-08 04:34 PM Response to Reply #136 |
140. Put it this way - the Clintons are using race and gender... |
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Elspeth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-22-08 04:58 PM Response to Reply #140 |
143. It also sounds like a recipe for martial law |
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Thrill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-22-08 11:57 AM Response to Original message |
2. Yeah because thats all black people know how to do. What a fuking insult |
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genna (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-22-08 12:20 PM Response to Reply #2 |
46. Shocked is an overstatement. I think gratified is a better word choice. |
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Elspeth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-22-08 02:27 PM Response to Reply #46 |
111. What does Obama's parentage have to do with anything? |
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FredScuttle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-22-08 05:20 PM Response to Reply #111 |
151. It means Malcolm X's old line: |
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Elspeth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-22-08 05:46 PM Response to Reply #151 |
157. Not sure how that fits the question that was asked |
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hokies4ever (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-22-08 12:40 PM Response to Reply #2 |
88. Most blacks will probably forgive Hillary after a while |
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genna (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-22-08 01:14 PM Response to Reply #88 |
98. My forgiveness is hers. I will never forget. |
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ellacott (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-22-08 01:18 PM Response to Reply #98 |
101. Randall Robinson is the one who opened my eyes to the Clintons |
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ShortnFiery (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-22-08 05:06 PM Response to Reply #88 |
146. Randall Robinson will not ... and neither will I. In fact, many of us hard working WHITES will ... |
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hokies4ever (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-22-08 08:05 PM Response to Reply #146 |
166. I'm not worried at all, Hilllary won't win |
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democracy1st (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-23-08 04:28 AM Response to Reply #146 |
181. hugs short I've been looking for that video,the others were pulled recently |
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ShortnFiery (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-23-08 11:39 AM Response to Reply #181 |
199. You're most welcome. |
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SwampG8r (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-23-08 11:40 AM Response to Reply #181 |
201. when i noted here |
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livingmadness (347 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-22-08 06:49 PM Response to Reply #88 |
164. At one time I would have agreed ... |
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hokies4ever (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-22-08 08:07 PM Response to Reply #164 |
168. I also don't want Hillary as the V.P. |
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Doityourself (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-23-08 11:39 AM Response to Reply #164 |
200. Count this black woman in as adamantly opposed to her as VP... |
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Butch350 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-23-08 11:59 AM Response to Reply #88 |
211. 88. Most blacks will probably forgive Hillary after a while |
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mystieus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-22-08 11:58 AM Response to Original message |
3. Gore Vidal is an ass. |
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reflection (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-22-08 11:58 AM Response to Original message |
4. I haven't trusted Gore Vidal since |
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Tunkamerica (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-22-08 12:08 PM Response to Reply #4 |
34. family guy |
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SwampG8r (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-23-08 11:41 AM Response to Reply #4 |
203. i got it i got it |
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reflection (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-23-08 02:00 PM Response to Reply #203 |
213. You got it g8r |
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SwampG8r (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-24-08 01:59 AM Response to Reply #213 |
216. huh .... uhhhh ...... ummmmm. .....well. ........uhhhhh |
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nxylas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-22-08 11:59 AM Response to Original message |
5. I'd like to read his full comments, in context |
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Elspeth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-22-08 12:00 PM Response to Reply #5 |
8. That was a direct quote and the article is at the link in the OP |
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nxylas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-22-08 12:25 PM Original message |
Yes, but direct quotes can be taken out of context |
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Elspeth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-22-08 12:33 PM Response to Original message |
81. Well, go ahead and read the article. It's at the link. |
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nxylas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-22-08 12:37 PM Response to Reply #81 |
83. I read the article |
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Elspeth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-22-08 02:30 PM Response to Reply #83 |
112. I can't base context on what DIDN'T appear in the article. I can only go with what was there. |
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nxylas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-22-08 02:48 PM Response to Reply #112 |
116. That's why I no longer trust the corporate media |
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Elspeth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-22-08 03:56 PM Response to Reply #116 |
134. But Vidal should have been more careful |
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nxylas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-22-08 06:39 PM Response to Reply #134 |
162. I agree, up to a point |
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Elspeth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-23-08 01:19 AM Response to Reply #162 |
172. Why is it that Vidal's comment is the fault of the corporate media, but other comments |
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nxylas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-23-08 08:06 AM Response to Reply #172 |
183. I never trust anything I read until I've verified it from a primary source |
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Elspeth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-23-08 10:47 AM Response to Reply #183 |
184. So when the Clintons are accused of racism, do you wait for the primary source? |
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nxylas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-23-08 11:47 AM Response to Reply #184 |
206. If a newspaper story were to say "Bill Clinton said..." (for example) |
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Warren DeMontague (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-22-08 11:59 AM Response to Original message |
6. Lucky for him, Obama has pretty much already won the nomination. |
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msallied (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-22-08 12:00 PM Response to Original message |
7. Yikes. |
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Elspeth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-22-08 12:01 PM Response to Reply #7 |
13. That was how it hit me. |
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ellacott (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-22-08 12:02 PM Response to Reply #7 |
17. I didn't take it that way |
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Elspeth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-22-08 12:03 PM Response to Reply #17 |
18. How did you take it? |
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ellacott (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-22-08 12:08 PM Response to Reply #18 |
32. I just thought he was giving his opinion |
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Elspeth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-22-08 12:23 PM Response to Reply #32 |
57. his opinion is that African Americans will resort to violence. |
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ellacott (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-22-08 12:26 PM Response to Reply #57 |
63. No, because of the frustrations that I have posted |
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msallied (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-22-08 12:29 PM Response to Reply #63 |
69. "revolution of blacks." Those were his words. C'mon now. |
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Elspeth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-22-08 12:30 PM Response to Reply #63 |
74. So what you're saying is that African Americans may become violent because of frustrations |
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ellacott (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-22-08 12:39 PM Response to Reply #74 |
85. No, I really don't think it's racist |
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Elspeth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-23-08 01:15 AM Response to Reply #85 |
171. You have to be careful with definitions. Racism has a specific one: |
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Doityourself (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-23-08 11:43 AM Response to Reply #63 |
204. It's degrading. Period. Blacks will riot in the streets because of simmering frustrations..and |
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dchill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-22-08 04:43 PM Response to Reply #57 |
141. Perhaps he's just being blunt. |
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Elspeth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-23-08 01:24 AM Response to Reply #141 |
174. The comment in the OP was not about Obama: it was about African Americans in general |
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dchill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-23-08 11:10 AM Response to Reply #174 |
189. "it is stereotyping" - Yes, it is... |
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Elspeth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-23-08 11:31 AM Response to Reply #189 |
191. Stereotyping based on the race of a person IS the very definition of racism. |
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IndyOp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-22-08 12:00 PM Response to Original message |
9. I'll be happy to join in so long as it isn't violent. I am AA if I judge by most surveys... |
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ayeshahaqqiqa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-22-08 12:02 PM Response to Reply #9 |
15. White fear is caused, I think, |
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IndyOp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-22-08 12:32 PM Response to Reply #15 |
79. Yes. Vidal speaks the fear aloud, other truly racist people join white power organizations |
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ayeshahaqqiqa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-22-08 01:43 PM Response to Reply #79 |
105. And the pain from slavery is something that lingers |
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Butch350 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-23-08 12:20 PM Response to Reply #105 |
212. 88. Most blacks will probably forgive Hillary after a while |
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Elspeth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-22-08 12:09 PM Response to Reply #9 |
35. See, I think this one statement is more racist than anything I've heard during the primary |
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IndyOp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-22-08 12:38 PM Response to Reply #35 |
84. I hesitate to say that Vidal "assigns" violent behavior to one race - |
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Elspeth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-22-08 02:32 PM Response to Reply #84 |
114. But if someone you didn't like had said the same thing, you'd have given NO leeway. |
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ayeshahaqqiqa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-22-08 12:00 PM Response to Original message |
10. Racist I think |
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Elspeth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-22-08 12:02 PM Response to Reply #10 |
16. But peaceful protest gets ignored, like all the anti-war protests before the Iraq invasion |
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ayeshahaqqiqa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-22-08 12:03 PM Response to Reply #16 |
21. Martial law is what Bush wants |
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Elspeth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-23-08 01:10 AM Response to Reply #21 |
170. That's what I am afraid of |
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cali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-22-08 12:01 PM Response to Original message |
11. First of all you thread title is borderline illiterate and totally misleading |
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cali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-22-08 12:01 PM Response to Original message |
12. First of all your thread title is borderline illiterate and totally misleading |
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Qutzupalotl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-22-08 12:07 PM Response to Reply #12 |
30. I think the OP meant to type "if" |
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Elspeth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-23-08 01:21 AM Response to Reply #30 |
173. Yes. I would have changed it, but sometimes it's best to just let things be. |
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ellacott (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-22-08 12:01 PM Response to Original message |
14. I don't think it's racist |
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msallied (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-22-08 12:03 PM Response to Reply #14 |
22. What it does do is assume pretty awful things about blacks. |
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ellacott (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-22-08 12:11 PM Response to Reply #22 |
37. What it does assume is that blacks are very invested in this election |
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Elspeth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-22-08 12:13 PM Response to Reply #37 |
40. It assumes a violent (or at least frightening) reaction by African Americans if Obama doesn't get to |
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msallied (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-22-08 12:19 PM Response to Reply #37 |
44. There is a difference between being "invested" and being uncivilized. |
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Elspeth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-22-08 12:11 PM Response to Reply #22 |
38. But isn't that quintessential racism? Assuming negative behavior based soley on race? |
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ellacott (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-22-08 12:20 PM Response to Reply #38 |
47. Great question |
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msallied (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-22-08 12:22 PM Response to Reply #47 |
53. Peaceful protest is fine and should even be expected |
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ellacott (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-22-08 12:42 PM Response to Reply #53 |
90. It's not simply because their candidate lost |
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Basement Beat (303 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-22-08 12:03 PM Response to Original message |
19. Is he saying we are the only ones who want to see... |
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Elspeth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-22-08 12:17 PM Response to Reply #19 |
42. Those implications can all be drawn from the article. |
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genna (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-22-08 12:51 PM Response to Reply #19 |
92. Black leaders have been fairly mild mannered during this primary news cycle and have not en masse |
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NatBurner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-22-08 12:03 PM Response to Original message |
20. yes, "the Blacks" are having a meeting next tuesday |
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mkultra (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-22-08 12:05 PM Response to Reply #20 |
27. christ |
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reflection (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-22-08 12:08 PM Response to Reply #20 |
31. self delete |
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NatBurner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-22-08 12:19 PM Response to Reply #31 |
45. i didn't :) |
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ShortnFiery (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-22-08 05:18 PM Response to Reply #20 |
150. Psst! Please remind Barack to not scratch his face with his index finger? Some WHITES |
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mkultra (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-22-08 12:04 PM Response to Original message |
23. dont know about racists but its sure dangerous and irresponsible |
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Bullet1987 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-22-08 12:04 PM Response to Original message |
24. There actually a kernal of truth to this...but just a kernal |
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Qutzupalotl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-22-08 12:04 PM Response to Original message |
25. I don't see it as racist. |
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msallied (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-22-08 12:08 PM Response to Reply #25 |
33. 1992 was not an event unique to black people. |
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Qutzupalotl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-22-08 12:18 PM Response to Reply #33 |
43. As I said, I think all Obama supporters would be outraged. |
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msallied (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-22-08 12:20 PM Response to Reply #43 |
49. Yes, so they're going to start looting, right? |
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Qutzupalotl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-22-08 12:23 PM Response to Reply #49 |
56. No, but they sure might protest. |
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msallied (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-22-08 12:26 PM Response to Reply #56 |
62. Well, duh! But "fearing" what they have a "revolution" is taking it a step beyond |
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Qutzupalotl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-22-08 01:15 PM Response to Reply #62 |
99. Yes, but you're putting the word "looting" in his mouth |
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Doityourself (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-23-08 11:49 AM Response to Reply #33 |
207. Ah but was the Seattle dance called a RIOT? Language makes a huge difference. |
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Elspeth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-22-08 12:16 PM Response to Reply #25 |
41. But Vidal doesn't say "Obama supporters"; he says only "Blacks" |
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mkultra (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-22-08 12:21 PM Response to Reply #41 |
50. to be racists or sexists, it must perpetuate a sterotype. |
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msallied (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-22-08 12:23 PM Response to Reply #50 |
55. That blacks are violent savages. |
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mkultra (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-22-08 12:31 PM Response to Reply #55 |
78. except that he states theve never done it. |
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msallied (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-22-08 12:33 PM Response to Reply #78 |
82. "Yet." Never done it, "yet." |
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Qutzupalotl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-22-08 12:22 PM Response to Reply #41 |
54. I don't think he was saying blacks are more violent. |
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msallied (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-22-08 12:25 PM Response to Reply #54 |
60. "I fear what the black population may do. There has never been a revolution of blacks--yet." |
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Qutzupalotl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-22-08 12:29 PM Response to Reply #60 |
70. We were founded on a revolution. |
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msallied (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-22-08 12:30 PM Response to Reply #70 |
75. Now you're simply being obtuse. |
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Qutzupalotl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-22-08 01:13 PM Response to Reply #75 |
97. Because non-violent protests can be effective. |
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BobbyVan (502 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-22-08 12:28 PM Response to Reply #25 |
67. It's racist because it assumes blacks will react with violence. |
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panader0 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-22-08 12:04 PM Response to Original message |
26. How old is he now? |
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Elspeth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-22-08 12:05 PM Response to Reply #26 |
29. Somewhere in his 80s. But he gets quoted a lot on DU |
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Freddie Stubbs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-22-08 12:29 PM Response to Reply #26 |
71. 87 |
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Laughing Mirror (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-22-08 01:17 PM Response to Reply #71 |
100. 82 |
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msallied (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-22-08 12:05 PM Response to Original message |
28. I lived in Seattle during the WTO riots. |
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mrreowwr_kittty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-22-08 12:25 PM Response to Reply #28 |
59. No shit. White people riot over sporting events all over the world. |
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msallied (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-22-08 12:28 PM Response to Reply #59 |
66. I've been to two OSU Buckeyes games. |
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mrreowwr_kittty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-22-08 12:30 PM Response to Reply #66 |
73. People will do things as part of a large group that they'd never do on their own. nt |
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msallied (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-22-08 12:32 PM Response to Reply #73 |
80. Exactly. Mob mentality. |
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martymar64 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-22-08 08:10 PM Response to Reply #28 |
169. I lived in LA in 92 - all races were out in the streets, I was too. |
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anigbrowl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-22-08 12:10 PM Response to Original message |
36. the thread titles assumes violence. There are other methods of revolution. |
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Elspeth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-22-08 12:12 PM Response to Reply #36 |
39. What other kind of revolution would VIdal "fear" so much? |
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anigbrowl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-22-08 12:22 PM Response to Reply #39 |
52. Stop voting. Hold a hunger strike on the national mall. For example. |
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Elspeth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-22-08 12:27 PM Response to Reply #52 |
64. Why would these options cause Vidal to be "afraid"? (Check the quote). |
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Qutzupalotl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-22-08 01:21 PM Response to Reply #64 |
102. Nonviolent protests could disrupt the economy, |
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Raineyb (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-22-08 06:03 PM Response to Reply #64 |
158. Because the government has been known to crack down on peaceful protesters |
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Elspeth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-22-08 06:28 PM Response to Reply #158 |
161. Then it would be the police that Vidal feared; but he doesn't say that at all. |
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anigbrowl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-23-08 11:13 AM Response to Reply #161 |
190. It's open-ended.I'm not losing sleep of what he meant |
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Elspeth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-23-08 11:34 AM Response to Reply #190 |
193. Why is it that people call everything racism except the real thing? |
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DemVet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-22-08 12:31 PM Response to Reply #52 |
76. Yeah, those will work. |
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Laughing Mirror (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-22-08 12:20 PM Response to Original message |
48. For goodness sakes! |
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Elspeth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-22-08 12:26 PM Response to Reply #48 |
61. No, this statement really IS racist: and if McCain had said it, you'd be all over him. |
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ShortnFiery (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-22-08 05:13 PM Response to Reply #61 |
148. "...some of the most racist people she ever met were liberals." |
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CBGLuthier (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-22-08 12:22 PM Response to Original message |
51. and another liberal voice gets ground by the wheels of the parsing idiots. |
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Elspeth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-22-08 12:24 PM Response to Reply #51 |
58. No, this really IS racism, unlike a lot of other comments that weren't |
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genna (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-22-08 01:03 PM Response to Reply #58 |
95. Elspeth say what you see in the statement is there: that liberal is racist |
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Elspeth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-22-08 01:53 PM Response to Reply #95 |
106. I think it's important that people recognize real racism when they see it |
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ellacott (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-22-08 02:05 PM Response to Reply #106 |
107. I think what's most important is to listen to those that might have some insight |
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Elspeth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-22-08 02:22 PM Response to Reply #107 |
108. There has been a communitcation problem, mostly a result of your elliptical speech |
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ellacott (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-22-08 02:26 PM Response to Reply #108 |
110. Tell me where I'm incoherent |
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Elspeth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-22-08 03:51 PM Response to Reply #110 |
129. Thank you for finally coherently answering a post. |
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ellacott (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-23-08 07:52 AM Response to Reply #129 |
182. I've tried to be respectful to you |
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Elspeth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-23-08 10:51 AM Response to Reply #182 |
187. And I've tried to understand you. |
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ellacott (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-23-08 11:08 AM Response to Reply #187 |
188. If you truly couldn't understand that's not my problem |
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Elspeth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-23-08 11:33 AM Response to Reply #188 |
192. Glad you found me amusing. Now let me teach you something. |
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ellacott (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-23-08 11:57 AM Response to Reply #192 |
210. Teach me something, Oh please |
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nsd (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-22-08 12:27 PM Response to Original message |
65. Gore Vidal? |
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Exultant Democracy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-22-08 12:29 PM Response to Original message |
68. I think Vidal may be way off on this, but it would make an already tense racial situation worse |
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screembloodymurder (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-22-08 12:29 PM Original message |
No |
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NashVegas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-22-08 12:29 PM Response to Original message |
72. I Think What You're Reading Into It Is Racist |
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Elspeth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-22-08 12:31 PM Response to Reply #72 |
77. No, I think the racism is there, especially in the word choices |
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NashVegas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-22-08 03:06 PM Response to Reply #77 |
120. Because He Has a Point |
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Elspeth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-22-08 06:25 PM Response to Reply #120 |
160. But he doesn't mention the white Obama voters. That's why Vidal's comment is racial |
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jaysunb (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-22-08 12:39 PM Response to Original message |
86. I really like Gore Vidal, but, |
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stellanoir (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-22-08 12:39 PM Response to Original message |
87. I've respected Gore Vidal for a very long time |
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Lady-Damai (756 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-22-08 12:42 PM Response to Original message |
89. To Gore Vidal....BITCH PLEASE! |
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NatBurner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-22-08 12:45 PM Response to Original message |
91. ok, after my knee-jerk reaction? i gotta give vidal a pass on this one |
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Elspeth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-22-08 02:34 PM Response to Reply #91 |
115. So why is he given a pass on suggesting AA violence? If someone else had said it, there'd be no pass |
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NatBurner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-22-08 02:48 PM Response to Reply #115 |
117. nah, it's more based on the fact that it's an interview |
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Elspeth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-22-08 03:49 PM Response to Reply #117 |
128. So many statements from other peoples' interviews are labeled racist: why not Vidal's? |
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NatBurner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-22-08 03:52 PM Response to Reply #128 |
130. ok, u win |
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Elspeth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-22-08 04:59 PM Response to Reply #130 |
144. It's not about winning: it's about how we evaluate comments. |
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zulchzulu (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-22-08 12:52 PM Response to Original message |
93. He doesn't have to suggest it... it WILL happen if the nomination is stolen away |
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TBF (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-22-08 01:09 PM Response to Reply #93 |
96. If the nomination is stolen there will be protests. He is wrong that just |
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genna (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-22-08 01:26 PM Response to Reply #93 |
103. Will women take to the streets when HRC doesn't win the nomination? |
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zulchzulu (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-22-08 04:47 PM Response to Reply #103 |
142. I've met thousands of Obama supporters who are women |
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billyoc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-22-08 01:02 PM Response to Original message |
94. We should only be so lucky to have enough people interested in politics. |
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Tierra_y_Libertad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-22-08 01:40 PM Response to Original message |
104. "Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable." JFK |
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Generator (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-22-08 02:31 PM Response to Original message |
113. I fear more what our powers that be might do or some wacko |
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McCamy Taylor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-22-08 02:50 PM Response to Original message |
118. I think this thread is a divide and conquer zone. |
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NashVegas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-22-08 03:05 PM Response to Reply #118 |
119. 100% Agree |
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Elspeth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-22-08 03:41 PM Response to Reply #118 |
126. Divide and conquering whom? |
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Peace Patriot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-22-08 03:20 PM Response to Original message |
121. I initially thought it was just old fart Vidal, grouchy with gout, talking off the top his head |
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Elspeth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-22-08 03:40 PM Response to Reply #121 |
125. That's an interesting angle on Vidal's motivation |
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TornadoTN (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-22-08 03:24 PM Response to Original message |
122. The only violence I am concerned about comes from Camp Hopeless |
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Elspeth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-22-08 03:53 PM Response to Reply #122 |
131. Hey, if Clinton's supporters were truly violent, there's be more fear of them for real |
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TornadoTN (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-22-08 03:56 PM Response to Reply #131 |
133. Do you even realize that it works both ways? |
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Elspeth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-22-08 04:25 PM Response to Reply #133 |
138. How does the violence theme "work both ways"? Vidal says nothing about women--or whites. |
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ShortnFiery (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-22-08 05:10 PM Response to Reply #133 |
147. Neither HRC or Bill Clinton WILL EVER reclaim the respect of the AA Community. |
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krawhitham (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-22-08 03:27 PM Response to Original message |
123. It will not just be African Americans |
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BlooInBloo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-22-08 03:28 PM Response to Original message |
124. It always amazes me how scared white folks are of black folks. |
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NatBurner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-22-08 04:00 PM Response to Reply #124 |
135. 12% of the population to boot |
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ecstatic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-22-08 03:45 PM Response to Original message |
127. There won't be violence. Just a mass voter registration change from Dem to Ind. |
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Swamp Rat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-22-08 03:54 PM Response to Original message |
132. What a stupid thing to say, Gore Vidal. |
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Elspeth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-22-08 04:24 PM Response to Reply #132 |
137. Yeah, very stupid. |
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Bucky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-22-08 04:29 PM Response to Original message |
139. Senior moment. Also, historically ignorant, as there have been several such revolts in US history |
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ShortnFiery (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-22-08 05:00 PM Response to Original message |
145. Gore Vidal, despite his dauntingly high intelligence, has not joined us in a 21st Century Mindset. |
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ElsewheresDaughter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-22-08 05:16 PM Response to Original message |
149. WHOOPS THERE IT IS...another race card delt from the bottom |
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ShortnFiery (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-22-08 05:25 PM Response to Reply #149 |
153. Yeah, some old intellectual WHITE man of wealth and celebrity is "afraid that the blacks will riot" |
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Why Syzygy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-22-08 05:22 PM Response to Original message |
152. It's a legitmate concern. I also fear what white rednecks might do when he does get the nom. |
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ShortnFiery (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-22-08 05:26 PM Response to Reply #152 |
154. Yeah, that's the way to foment more understanding. |
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Why Syzygy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-22-08 05:32 PM Response to Reply #154 |
155. I'm with you. |
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barack the house (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-22-08 05:33 PM Response to Original message |
156. I am black I don't think he was being racist. Just highlighting the Clintons are demeaning a black |
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Elspeth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-23-08 01:25 AM Response to Reply #156 |
175. That's not what that comment in the OP says. Read it. |
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BootinUp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-22-08 06:08 PM Response to Original message |
159. I got to where he trashed the Kennedy's, thats all. nt |
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RUMMYisFROSTED (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-22-08 06:41 PM Response to Original message |
163. American American, too. |
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martymar64 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-22-08 08:02 PM Response to Original message |
165. This poem by Langston Hughes comes to mind |
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Lucky 13 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-22-08 08:06 PM Response to Original message |
167. I don't know about black people, but I'm going to be fucking pissed. |
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Yukari Yakumo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-23-08 01:36 AM Response to Original message |
176. My take |
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papapi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-23-08 01:41 AM Response to Original message |
177. Myra Breckenridge isn't running for President. |
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Leopolds Ghost (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-23-08 02:04 AM Response to Original message |
178. Do you have a problem/fear of black people rioting? When whites riot for legitimate reasons |
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Elspeth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-23-08 10:49 AM Response to Reply #178 |
186. The statement was made by Gore Vidal. |
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Doityourself (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-23-08 11:52 AM Response to Reply #178 |
208. Yep. With black people it's a RIOT! |
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anonymous171 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-23-08 02:05 AM Response to Original message |
179. I'm more worried about youth voter riots actually. |
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Elspeth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-23-08 11:36 AM Response to Reply #179 |
195. That's an interesting take on it. However, |
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JCMach1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-23-08 04:18 AM Response to Original message |
180. Gore Vidal is supporting Hillary... |
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Elspeth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-23-08 10:48 AM Response to Reply #180 |
185. Take a look at the article in the OP; he is criticizing Clinton for staying in the race. |
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Doityourself (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-23-08 11:35 AM Response to Original message |
194. Well, you know blacks are prone to violence...they don't protest..they RIOT! |
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Elspeth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-23-08 11:38 AM Response to Reply #194 |
197. Exactly. This is the old racist stereotype. |
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Doityourself (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-23-08 11:54 AM Response to Reply #197 |
209. Yep. You've done a great job on this thread. Good work! |
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Elspeth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-23-08 03:18 PM Response to Reply #209 |
214. Thank you. |
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LittleBlue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-23-08 11:38 AM Response to Original message |
196. Don't confuse unpleasant thoughts with being wrong |
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Elspeth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-23-08 11:39 AM Response to Reply #196 |
198. Unpleasant thought? It's embedded in racist stereotypes. |
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Seabiscuit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-23-08 11:41 AM Response to Original message |
202. Gore Vidal sometimes makes sense and other times he doesn't and to throw |
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Butch350 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-23-08 11:47 AM Response to Original message |
205. That is Total |
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Mudoria (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-23-08 03:39 PM Response to Original message |
215. Sorry Gore old buddy but you may be a halfway decent |
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