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Meldread (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-09-05 06:50 PM Original message |
Debate with Strong Atheist |
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arcane1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-09-05 06:56 PM Response to Original message |
1. nothing fails like prayer |
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ret5hd (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-09-05 07:02 PM Response to Reply #1 |
3. and what about the fans of every losing sports team in history? |
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arcane1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-09-05 07:11 PM Response to Reply #3 |
11. good point |
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trotsky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-09-05 08:16 PM Response to Reply #11 |
33. We could have won the game... |
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manic expression (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-09-05 07:07 PM Response to Reply #1 |
4. Well |
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arcane1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-09-05 07:09 PM Response to Reply #4 |
8. it's not my assumption |
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manic expression (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-09-05 07:24 PM Response to Reply #8 |
21. Of course |
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arcane1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-09-05 07:25 PM Response to Reply #21 |
23. makes sense n/t |
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Meldread (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-09-05 07:15 PM Response to Reply #1 |
13. You may very well be correct. |
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arcane1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-09-05 07:17 PM Response to Reply #13 |
16. "miracle" = ??? |
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Meldread (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-09-05 07:27 PM Response to Reply #16 |
24. Perhaps... |
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papau (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-09-05 07:16 PM Response to Reply #1 |
15. When Bad Things Happen To Good People by Harold Kushner -etc |
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arcane1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-09-05 07:21 PM Response to Reply #15 |
20. Isaiah 45 |
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papau (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-09-05 09:44 PM Response to Reply #20 |
40. Need a better translation of the Hebrew ra' in Isaiah 45:7 - :-) |
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mcg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-11-05 03:27 PM Response to Reply #40 |
77. "to have a division between day and night" |
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wryter2000 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-09-05 07:19 PM Response to Reply #1 |
18. Bishop Spong says something similar |
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CarbonDate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-10-05 05:45 PM Response to Reply #18 |
54. Of course. |
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wryter2000 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-10-05 07:05 PM Response to Reply #54 |
58. I usually don't say "rumor and conjecture" |
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hunter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-14-05 12:31 PM Response to Reply #54 |
111. So seeing fairies means one is insane... |
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TreasonousBastard (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-09-05 08:39 PM Response to Reply #1 |
37. There's a common misconception that... |
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papau (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-09-05 09:46 PM Response to Reply #37 |
41. Very true - prayer is for the person doing the prayer and God more than |
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Zebedeo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-18-05 05:07 PM Response to Reply #1 |
242. I am very sorry for what your friend went through |
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leftstreet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-09-05 07:01 PM Response to Original message |
2. I don't get how there can be a debate about existence of God |
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Meldread (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-09-05 07:07 PM Response to Reply #2 |
5. Interestingly enough... |
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arcane1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-09-05 07:08 PM Response to Reply #2 |
6. or... |
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manic expression (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-09-05 07:13 PM Response to Reply #6 |
12. Umm... |
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arcane1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-09-05 07:15 PM Response to Reply #12 |
14. how am I mistaken? |
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manic expression (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-09-05 07:25 PM Response to Reply #14 |
22. Does it fear death? |
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trotsky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-09-05 08:18 PM Response to Reply #22 |
34. The hope for an afterlife |
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manic expression (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-10-05 12:47 AM Response to Reply #34 |
43. Not so |
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trotsky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-10-05 01:58 PM Response to Reply #43 |
47. All a matter of one's perspective, I guess. n/t |
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CarbonDate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-10-05 05:48 PM Response to Reply #43 |
55. No, it doesn't fear death. |
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manic expression (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-10-05 08:20 PM Response to Reply #55 |
62. Yes |
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trotsky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-12-05 08:37 AM Response to Reply #62 |
85. Not quite the same. |
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manic expression (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-13-05 11:11 PM Response to Reply #85 |
106. But it is |
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trotsky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-13-05 11:41 PM Response to Reply #106 |
108. You are misapplying science. |
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hunter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-14-05 01:18 PM Response to Reply #108 |
112. The poem is about the mystery of time. |
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trotsky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-14-05 01:25 PM Response to Reply #112 |
113. "Science has nothing to say about those beliefs." |
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hunter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-14-05 03:16 PM Response to Reply #113 |
115. What does science "support?" |
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trotsky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-14-05 03:45 PM Response to Reply #115 |
116. Again, you agree with me, then state you disagree. |
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hunter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-14-05 05:35 PM Response to Reply #116 |
117. It's like a divide-by-zero error. |
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trotsky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-14-05 08:49 PM Response to Reply #117 |
119. So, like me, you disagree with the other poster... |
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manic expression (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-14-05 06:10 PM Response to Reply #108 |
118. You are not applying logic |
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trotsky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-14-05 08:51 PM Response to Reply #118 |
120. I've been disputing it the whole time. |
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manic expression (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-14-05 09:03 PM Response to Reply #120 |
121. I believe that your argument |
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trotsky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-14-05 09:07 PM Response to Reply #121 |
122. I believe you have misstated my argument. |
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manic expression (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-14-05 09:16 PM Response to Reply #122 |
124. OK |
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trotsky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-14-05 09:33 PM Response to Reply #124 |
125. Actually that does a pretty lousy job... |
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manic expression (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-14-05 09:52 PM Response to Reply #125 |
126. Really? |
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trotsky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-14-05 09:58 PM Response to Reply #126 |
127. As I said, the key is equal but opposite. |
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manic expression (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-14-05 10:21 PM Response to Reply #127 |
128. Look at the law |
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trotsky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-15-05 08:33 AM Response to Reply #128 |
132. I have to question your grasp on reality. |
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manic expression (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-15-05 07:47 PM Response to Reply #132 |
141. I must do the same |
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trotsky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-15-05 07:52 PM Response to Reply #141 |
142. I'm not ignoring anything. |
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manic expression (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-15-05 09:06 PM Response to Reply #142 |
147. Yes, you are |
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InaneAnanity (910 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-16-05 04:29 AM Response to Reply #147 |
168. Shakespeare??!!?? |
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manic expression (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-16-05 06:02 PM Response to Reply #168 |
190. No |
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InaneAnanity (910 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-16-05 06:07 PM Response to Reply #190 |
191. Look |
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manic expression (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-16-05 06:25 PM Response to Reply #191 |
197. Thank you, yet again |
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InaneAnanity (910 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-16-05 07:56 PM Response to Reply #197 |
202. I'll beat you in chess anyday |
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manic expression (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-16-05 10:42 PM Response to Reply #202 |
211. Yeah, OK |
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InaneAnanity (910 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-16-05 11:30 PM Response to Reply #211 |
217. Are you done?? |
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manic expression (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-16-05 11:48 PM Response to Reply #217 |
223. What is that supposed to mean |
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InaneAnanity (910 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-16-05 11:50 PM Response to Reply #223 |
225. Wonderful |
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manic expression (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-16-05 11:51 PM Response to Reply #225 |
226. This is the limit of your intellect? |
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InaneAnanity (910 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-16-05 11:52 PM Response to Reply #226 |
227. Great |
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manic expression (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-16-05 11:53 PM Response to Reply #227 |
228. I guess that's my answer |
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trotsky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-16-05 08:27 AM Response to Reply #147 |
172. I assure you... |
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manic expression (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-16-05 06:15 PM Response to Reply #172 |
193. First of all |
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InaneAnanity (910 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-16-05 06:21 PM Response to Reply #193 |
195. Off the deep end |
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manic expression (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-16-05 06:31 PM Response to Reply #195 |
199. By asserting |
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InaneAnanity (910 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-16-05 07:57 PM Response to Reply #199 |
203. LITERATURE IS NOT PROOF |
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manic expression (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-16-05 10:44 PM Response to Reply #203 |
212. So it has no connection to life? |
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InaneAnanity (910 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-16-05 11:30 PM Response to Reply #212 |
216. Haha |
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trotsky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-16-05 08:43 AM Response to Reply #147 |
176. By the way - |
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manic expression (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-16-05 06:21 PM Response to Reply #176 |
194. Revolting? |
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InaneAnanity (910 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-16-05 06:22 PM Response to Reply #194 |
196. Ok, we're pathetic |
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manic expression (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-16-05 06:28 PM Response to Reply #196 |
198. You're too good! |
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InaneAnanity (910 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-16-05 07:58 PM Response to Reply #198 |
204. Why would I address it |
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manic expression (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-16-05 10:44 PM Response to Reply #204 |
213. You haven't demonstrated a rational thought |
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InaneAnanity (910 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-16-05 11:30 PM Response to Reply #213 |
218. Congratulations |
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manic expression (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-16-05 11:39 PM Response to Reply #218 |
221. No one is keeping you here |
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trotsky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-16-05 08:19 PM Response to Reply #194 |
207. Good day. |
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manic expression (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-16-05 10:47 PM Response to Reply #207 |
214. And what evidence would you have? |
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InaneAnanity (910 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-16-05 11:31 PM Response to Reply #214 |
219. Great |
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manic expression (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-15-05 09:57 PM Response to Reply #142 |
150. Another thing... |
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manic expression (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-15-05 10:53 PM Response to Reply #142 |
156. Let's make this as simple as possible |
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trotsky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-16-05 08:28 AM Response to Reply #156 |
173. As long as you think WORKS OF FICTION constitute "evidence," |
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manic expression (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-16-05 06:00 PM Response to Reply #173 |
189. You just can't do it, can you? |
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InaneAnanity (910 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-16-05 06:08 PM Response to Reply #189 |
192. You are only winning this argument... |
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manic expression (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-16-05 06:32 PM Response to Reply #192 |
200. I am the only one IN this argument |
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InaneAnanity (910 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-16-05 07:59 PM Response to Reply #200 |
205. That's right |
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manic expression (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-16-05 10:40 PM Response to Reply #205 |
210. So, you will not address my comments? |
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InaneAnanity (910 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-16-05 11:31 PM Response to Reply #210 |
220. Enjoy talking to yourself?? |
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manic expression (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-16-05 11:40 PM Response to Reply #220 |
222. Since I get a reply from you |
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Qibing Zero (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-16-05 02:18 AM Response to Reply #12 |
166. It should have probably read initial fear of death. |
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manic expression (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-16-05 06:36 PM Response to Reply #166 |
201. Well, |
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manic expression (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-09-05 07:08 PM Response to Reply #2 |
7. Just like anything else |
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More Than A Feeling (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-09-05 07:10 PM Response to Reply #2 |
9. How about the people who got taught nothing |
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leftstreet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-09-05 07:29 PM Response to Reply #9 |
26. Are there actually people who never heard anything about a God? |
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More Than A Feeling (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-09-05 07:34 PM Response to Reply #26 |
27. Yo |
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leftstreet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-09-05 07:50 PM Response to Reply #27 |
30. Interesting! |
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Warpy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-09-05 07:11 PM Response to Reply #2 |
10. Nobody has ever proved the existence of any god |
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Meldread (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-09-05 07:20 PM Response to Reply #10 |
19. That was the point in my other thread. |
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Warpy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-09-05 08:21 PM Response to Reply #19 |
35. You still can't prove a negative |
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Meldread (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-09-05 09:21 PM Response to Reply #35 |
39. Ahh, but that is the point. |
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greyl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-11-05 02:57 AM Response to Reply #35 |
67. Not really. Better to say "God" is not falsifiable. |
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manic expression (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-09-05 07:28 PM Response to Reply #10 |
25. Not quite |
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Warpy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-09-05 08:22 PM Response to Reply #25 |
36. Poetry isn't logic |
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manic expression (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-10-05 12:50 AM Response to Reply #36 |
44. Poetry has wisdom |
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CarbonDate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-10-05 05:51 PM Response to Reply #44 |
56. How do you define divinity? |
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manic expression (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-10-05 08:15 PM Response to Reply #56 |
61. Here we go |
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CarbonDate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-11-05 09:52 AM Response to Reply #61 |
72. Without the attitude, please. |
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manic expression (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-11-05 03:31 PM Response to Reply #72 |
78. That wasn't attitude |
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immoderate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-12-05 02:15 PM Response to Reply #78 |
86. You ignore complexity. |
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manic expression (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-13-05 07:58 PM Response to Reply #86 |
105. Really? |
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mcg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-11-05 05:15 PM Response to Reply #10 |
80. There's strong evidence for a reasonable belief. |
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immoderate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-12-05 02:30 PM Response to Reply #80 |
87. I don't know of any evidence of the things you mention. |
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mcg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-12-05 11:27 PM Response to Reply #87 |
93. Yes, I've read it, it is basically empty propaganda. |
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immoderate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-13-05 12:09 AM Response to Reply #93 |
94. I don't understand. |
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mcg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-15-05 10:30 PM Response to Reply #94 |
152. Not just more than one letter at the same time. |
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JuniperLea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-09-05 07:41 PM Response to Reply #2 |
28. Exactly |
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Meldread (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-09-05 07:48 PM Response to Reply #28 |
29. Exactly the point I am trying to make. |
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immoderate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-12-05 02:34 PM Response to Reply #29 |
88. You're missing something. |
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tocqueville (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-09-05 07:18 PM Response to Original message |
17. Bush rules America, 2000 GIs die, is there a God ? |
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sam sarrha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-09-05 07:55 PM Response to Original message |
31. i used to do that stuff.. but Buddhism explains it better.. there are gods |
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OffWithTheirHeads (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-09-05 08:04 PM Response to Original message |
32. They say that when you talk to God, it's called prayer |
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Strong Atheist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-09-05 09:16 PM Response to Original message |
38. I am to busy to respond tonight FRIDAY NIGHT, |
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papau (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-09-05 09:48 PM Response to Reply #38 |
42. me too! :-) |
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Strong Atheist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-10-05 09:39 PM Response to Reply #42 |
63. Hey, papau. |
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struggle4progress (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-10-05 02:52 AM Response to Original message |
45. What is the point of such a debate? |
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greyl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-10-05 05:19 AM Response to Original message |
46. Your Agnostic Theist needs to define his God :) nt |
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mcg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-11-05 03:17 PM Response to Reply #46 |
75. The Chance believers need to define their god of Chance. |
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greyl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-12-05 02:40 AM Response to Reply #75 |
84. No. In this debate, the "God" needs to be defined. |
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Goldensilence (213 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-10-05 02:47 PM Response to Original message |
48. one thought |
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Strong Atheist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-10-05 02:49 PM Response to Original message |
49. Ok, I can be here for a short while this afternoon, |
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More Than A Feeling (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-10-05 03:19 PM Response to Reply #49 |
50. I see a problem with your comparison |
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Strong Atheist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-10-05 03:34 PM Response to Reply #50 |
51. Yes, |
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Orrex (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-10-05 04:07 PM Response to Reply #51 |
53. Forgive me, but you make the same mistake again and again |
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Strong Atheist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-10-05 08:04 PM Response to Reply #53 |
59. I am CERTAIN there are no Gods, |
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Orrex (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-11-05 12:25 AM Response to Reply #59 |
66. You seem to have read few of my replies to you, and |
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Strong Atheist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-11-05 07:17 AM Response to Reply #66 |
68. I have given my definition, |
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Orrex (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-11-05 09:56 PM Response to Reply #68 |
82. Now you're advocating solipsism |
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Orrex (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-10-05 04:00 PM Response to Reply #49 |
52. Extreme-case hypotheticals are of little value in these debates |
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Strong Atheist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-11-05 07:23 AM Response to Reply #52 |
69. As far as I am concerned, our debate went on in |
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greyl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-13-05 07:05 AM Response to Reply #69 |
97. "you have made CERTAIN a meaningless term" |
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Strong Atheist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-14-05 02:03 PM Response to Reply #97 |
114. I will remain CERTAIN |
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greyl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-14-05 09:09 PM Response to Reply #114 |
123. I think we're getting somewhere now. |
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Strong Atheist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-15-05 08:31 AM Response to Reply #123 |
131. I do not spend my |
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greyl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-15-05 01:35 PM Response to Reply #131 |
137. I'm convinced you're being willfully obtuse. eoc |
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Strong Atheist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-15-05 05:59 PM Response to Reply #137 |
140. The feeling is mutual! |
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greyl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-16-05 08:04 AM Response to Reply #140 |
169. I doubt that. |
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ozone_man (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-15-05 08:02 PM Response to Reply #123 |
144. I wouldn't put God in the same category as a light bulb. |
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greyl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-16-05 08:25 AM Response to Reply #144 |
171. Nor would I. |
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ozone_man (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-16-05 11:14 AM Response to Reply #171 |
177. Yet you can be certain. |
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Orrex (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-16-05 12:18 PM Response to Reply #177 |
179. That's not "being certain" |
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ozone_man (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-16-05 03:14 PM Response to Reply #179 |
185. I think you mean absolutely certain. |
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Orrex (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-16-05 03:24 PM Response to Reply #185 |
186. A valid objection, but it's a worthy sticking point |
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ozone_man (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-16-05 04:56 PM Response to Reply #186 |
187. It's meaning is context specific and person specific. |
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greyl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-16-05 11:22 PM Response to Reply #187 |
215. Unicorns do not exist. |
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ozone_man (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-17-05 01:11 PM Response to Reply #215 |
235. Are you certain? Prove it. |
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CarbonDate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-10-05 06:03 PM Response to Reply #49 |
57. Good stuff |
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Strong Atheist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-10-05 08:05 PM Response to Reply #57 |
60. Thank you! nt. |
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Meldread (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-10-05 11:44 PM Response to Reply #49 |
65. But you're only validating my argument. |
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Strong Atheist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-11-05 08:01 AM Response to Reply #65 |
70. First, I would like to say |
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Meldread (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-11-05 10:21 AM Response to Reply #70 |
73. Thank you. |
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Strong Atheist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-11-05 11:07 AM Response to Reply #73 |
74. Hello, again! |
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Meldread (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-11-05 04:08 PM Response to Reply #74 |
79. Ahh, thanks for the clarification. |
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Strong Atheist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-11-05 06:58 PM Response to Reply #79 |
81. Thank you for |
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Meldread (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-11-05 11:42 PM Response to Reply #81 |
83. No problem. :) |
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Strong Atheist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-12-05 03:44 PM Response to Reply #83 |
89. (sigh). |
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Meldread (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-13-05 03:08 AM Response to Reply #89 |
95. Sorry, here is the link. |
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Strong Atheist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-13-05 07:54 AM Response to Reply #95 |
98. You did provide |
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Meldread (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-13-05 09:02 AM Response to Reply #98 |
99. Well, as long as your're comfortable. |
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Strong Atheist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-13-05 09:21 AM Response to Reply #99 |
100. Don't feel bad; |
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Strong Atheist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-11-05 03:19 PM Response to Reply #73 |
76. I took a nap this afternoon, and my subconscious, |
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Darranar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-15-05 12:37 PM Response to Reply #49 |
135. None of Descartes's arguments work. |
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trotsky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-15-05 08:00 PM Response to Reply #135 |
143. There's a danger in the "anything takes faith" line of thought. |
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Darranar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-16-05 01:23 AM Response to Reply #143 |
165. A distinction without a difference. |
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trotsky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-16-05 08:37 AM Response to Reply #165 |
175. And that "faith" is completely different. |
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Darranar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-16-05 02:35 PM Response to Reply #175 |
183. No, it's not. |
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trotsky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-16-05 02:51 PM Response to Reply #183 |
184. And I've shown why that is wrong. |
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Darranar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-16-05 08:09 PM Response to Reply #184 |
206. No, you have most certainly not. |
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trotsky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-16-05 08:25 PM Response to Reply #206 |
208. But you have no justification at all to object to Christian Scientists, |
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Darranar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-17-05 12:53 AM Response to Reply #208 |
229. No, "their faith" is not "just as valid" as mine. |
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trotsky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-17-05 10:49 AM Response to Reply #229 |
234. No, because it leads to conclusions that are unworkable. |
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Darranar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-17-05 02:01 PM Response to Reply #234 |
236. Yes, I am quite aware that they think that they are right. |
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trotsky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-17-05 03:59 PM Response to Reply #236 |
237. Well, if you don't want to answer my questions, |
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Darranar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-17-05 05:00 PM Response to Reply #237 |
238. Yes. You have it. |
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trotsky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-18-05 10:33 AM Response to Reply #238 |
239. "as long as the positions being advocated are the rational conclusions..." |
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Darranar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-18-05 12:13 PM Response to Reply #239 |
240. I would say some faiths are preferable, yes. |
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trotsky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-18-05 02:58 PM Response to Reply #240 |
241. But you have no way of stating so. |
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Darranar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-18-05 06:37 PM Response to Reply #241 |
245. The grounds for a faith are not what determine its preferability. |
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trotsky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-18-05 09:56 PM Response to Reply #245 |
250. Nonsense. |
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Darranar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-18-05 10:53 PM Response to Reply #250 |
251. You're assuming a recognized objective measure is necessary. |
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trotsky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-19-05 08:31 AM Response to Reply #251 |
254. A recognized objective measure IS necessary, |
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Darranar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-19-05 03:17 PM Response to Reply #254 |
255. Of course. Any society should probably be run according to |
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trotsky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-19-05 03:57 PM Response to Reply #255 |
256. But as long as you set all "faiths" equal to each other, |
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Darranar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-20-05 03:50 PM Response to Reply #256 |
259. I don't set all faiths equal to each other. |
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trotsky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-20-05 03:54 PM Response to Reply #259 |
260. Thus making them equal. |
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Darranar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-20-05 03:55 PM Response to Reply #260 |
261. No. Only if the only legitimate path to truth is rationality. |
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trotsky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-20-05 04:07 PM Response to Reply #261 |
262. Repeating something doesn't make it true. |
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Darranar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-20-05 04:20 PM Response to Reply #262 |
263. Yes, I do. |
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trotsky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-20-05 04:23 PM Response to Reply #263 |
264. No, you're getting too specific. |
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kwassa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-20-05 04:28 PM Response to Reply #261 |
265. Excellent point. |
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Qibing Zero (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-16-05 04:04 AM Response to Reply #49 |
167. Let me take a stab at this. |
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Strong Atheist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-16-05 09:03 PM Response to Reply #167 |
209. Hello! |
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Qibing Zero (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-17-05 05:09 AM Response to Reply #209 |
230. Okay then.. |
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Strong Atheist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-17-05 08:33 AM Response to Reply #230 |
232. Hi again! |
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toddaa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-10-05 11:23 PM Response to Original message |
64. Jumping into the fray, What is God? |
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Strong Atheist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-11-05 08:06 AM Response to Reply #64 |
71. I have no problem with your views. |
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toddaa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-12-05 08:31 PM Response to Reply #71 |
92. Supernatural Beasties |
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Strong Atheist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-13-05 07:04 AM Response to Reply #92 |
96. lol! |
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Beetwasher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-12-05 04:07 PM Response to Original message |
90. Are You Certain You're Not A Brain In A Vat? |
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immoderate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-12-05 04:52 PM Response to Original message |
91. By your arguments |
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ozone_man (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-13-05 11:26 AM Response to Original message |
101. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. |
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Strong Atheist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-13-05 03:01 PM Response to Reply #101 |
102. Come. Come to |
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ozone_man (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-13-05 04:52 PM Response to Reply #102 |
103. Strangely compelling, |
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Strong Atheist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-13-05 07:45 PM Response to Reply #103 |
104. lol! |
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WhollyHeretic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-13-05 11:19 PM Response to Reply #101 |
107. Well said. I feel pretty much the same way, |
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ozone_man (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-14-05 09:43 AM Response to Reply #107 |
109. Thanks. |
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Strong Atheist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-14-05 10:51 AM Response to Reply #109 |
110. Yeah, fantasy/science fiction |
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mcg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-14-05 11:21 PM Response to Reply #101 |
129. like the claim that evolution is ultra-gradual... |
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beam me up scottie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-14-05 11:37 PM Response to Reply #129 |
130. You lost me at "The atheistic version of evolution". |
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mcg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-15-05 09:46 PM Response to Reply #130 |
149. Cough cough, fling poo, fling poo. |
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beam me up scottie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-15-05 10:25 PM Response to Reply #149 |
151. Sorry-everything after "atheistic version of evolution" was blah blah blah |
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mcg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-15-05 10:38 PM Response to Reply #151 |
153. The vast majority of Democrats are not atheists. |
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beam me up scottie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-15-05 10:49 PM Response to Reply #153 |
155. The vast majority of intelligent people don't believe in ID. |
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mcg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-15-05 11:16 PM Response to Reply #155 |
158. Flinging more poo is not a sign of intelligence. |
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beam me up scottie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-15-05 11:18 PM Response to Reply #158 |
159. You accuse me of "flinging poo" and then tell me to "shove it" ? |
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mcg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-15-05 11:40 PM Response to Reply #159 |
160. Oh, so I should react positively to your insults. |
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beam me up scottie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-15-05 11:54 PM Response to Reply #160 |
161. Intellectuals don't believe in id. |
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greyl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-16-05 08:18 AM Response to Reply #161 |
170. Careful with that, now bmus. :) |
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beam me up scottie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-17-05 06:10 AM Response to Reply #170 |
231. Sorry. You may technically be correct but I refuse to call someone |
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mcg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-18-05 07:17 PM Response to Reply #170 |
247. That applies both ways. :) |
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Brentos (230 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-20-05 06:25 PM Response to Reply #247 |
266. My thoughts |
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trotsky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-16-05 08:36 AM Response to Reply #153 |
174. The vast majority of Democrats aren't homosexual, either. |
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ozone_man (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-15-05 10:48 AM Response to Reply #129 |
133. We have fossils, we win! |
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mcg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-15-05 08:46 PM Response to Reply #133 |
146. Wrong, you lose. |
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Beetwasher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-15-05 11:40 AM Response to Reply #129 |
134. Wow, You're Whacky! |
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mcg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-15-05 09:30 PM Response to Reply #134 |
148. I wish I were making this up, but some atheists do believe this stuff. |
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Beetwasher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-17-05 09:51 AM Response to Reply #148 |
233. Umm, You ARE Making It Up, Totally |
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greyl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-16-05 11:50 PM Response to Reply #129 |
224. mcg, |
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mcg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-18-05 07:14 PM Response to Reply #224 |
246. many intermediate forms? |
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Dogmudgeon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-15-05 12:43 PM Response to Original message |
136. The entire debate often astounds me |
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hunter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-15-05 04:36 PM Response to Original message |
138. I'm going to throw something else in the stew... |
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ozone_man (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-15-05 05:26 PM Response to Reply #138 |
139. Scientists don't rely on faith. |
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hunter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-15-05 08:09 PM Response to Reply #139 |
145. Nature is a truthful lover, she cannot deceive... |
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ozone_man (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-15-05 10:40 PM Response to Reply #145 |
154. Nothing in nature is hidden? |
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hunter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-16-05 12:10 AM Response to Reply #154 |
162. Hah! You talk about Martin Luther to a radical left wing Catholic... |
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mcg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-15-05 11:03 PM Response to Reply #139 |
157. They are not supposed to, but sadly, many do.... |
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beam me up scottie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-16-05 12:11 AM Response to Reply #157 |
163. Don't you mean "deliberately"? |
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mcg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-18-05 05:57 PM Response to Reply #163 |
243. I was quoting ozone_man. |
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beam me up scottie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-18-05 06:06 PM Response to Reply #243 |
244. Just so you know, |
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mcg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-18-05 07:30 PM Response to Reply #244 |
248. It wasn't my spelling error, ... |
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beam me up scottie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-18-05 07:45 PM Response to Reply #248 |
249. You misspelled more than one word and I don't care who started it. |
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mcg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-18-05 11:12 PM Response to Reply #249 |
252. Can't you admit a mistake? |
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beam me up scottie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-19-05 12:35 AM Response to Reply #252 |
253. What mistake? |
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mcg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-19-05 08:04 PM Response to Reply #253 |
257. See the "Scientists don't rely on faith" post |
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beam me up scottie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-20-05 02:20 AM Response to Reply #257 |
258. Here are two more: |
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mcg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-21-05 10:39 PM Response to Reply #258 |
267. So are you and ozone_man unintelligent? |
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ozone_man (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-22-05 11:01 AM Response to Reply #267 |
268. The key board didn't respond fast enough. |
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beam me up scottie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-23-05 02:37 PM Response to Reply #267 |
269. I'm a bigot for pointing out your spelling errors? |
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hunter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-16-05 12:37 AM Response to Reply #157 |
164. There's very little missing these days. |
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ozone_man (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-16-05 12:22 PM Response to Reply #164 |
180. How would he know how it would turn out? |
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hunter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-16-05 01:03 PM Response to Reply #180 |
182. I don't say that in the "every sparrow" or every atom sense. |
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ozone_man (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-16-05 05:23 PM Response to Reply #182 |
188. Where does the hand of your creator end? |
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ozone_man (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-16-05 12:09 PM Response to Reply #157 |
178. Gradualism. |
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trotsky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-16-05 12:24 PM Response to Reply #157 |
181. Nice work, taking that quote completely out of context! |
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