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RB TexLa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-28-07 10:28 AM Original message |
Sad day for America and humanity |
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shadowknows69 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-28-07 10:29 AM Response to Original message |
1. Not to mention we're the laughing stock of the free world now |
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Dave From Canada (932 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-29-07 12:52 PM Response to Reply #1 |
261. Wow, hubris mixed with hyperbole. Contrary to popular American belief, not everyone |
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bryant69 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-28-07 10:31 AM Response to Original message |
2. Well there seem to be plenty around here who also oppose the immigration bill |
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Nimrod2005 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-28-07 10:33 AM Response to Original message |
3. Amen! |
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Tierra_y_Libertad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-28-07 10:34 AM Response to Original message |
4. It succeeded in leaving 12 million people out in the cold. |
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greyghost (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-28-07 11:21 AM Response to Reply #4 |
17. Call me old school... |
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TwilightGardener (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-28-07 11:27 AM Response to Reply #17 |
21. I'm not "for" illegals either. I have little to no sympathy for them. |
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Matsubara (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-28-07 11:51 AM Response to Reply #21 |
67. I have a great deal of sympathy for illegal immigrants, but that doesn't mean they should be in the |
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RB TexLa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-28-07 11:32 AM Response to Reply #17 |
25. So you choose which human beings you care about based on where they were born |
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TwilightGardener (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-28-07 11:47 AM Response to Reply #25 |
57. Bullshit. I use Mexico as an example because it's the obvious example. |
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RB TexLa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-28-07 11:48 AM Response to Reply #57 |
63. I think you put this in the wrong spot. but ok |
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LaurenG (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-28-07 11:57 AM Response to Reply #63 |
79. Lol |
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TwilightGardener (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-28-07 12:17 PM Response to Reply #63 |
94. Ooops! My eyes failed me--sorry! |
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pampango (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-28-07 12:23 PM Response to Reply #25 |
99. It is the only birth characteristic that most DU'ers find an acceptable |
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mediawatch (224 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-28-07 03:54 PM Response to Reply #25 |
163. not so much based on where they were born |
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Bridget Burke (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-28-07 12:45 PM Response to Reply #17 |
110. Yes, nativism & xenophobia have a long history in the USA. |
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madokie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-28-07 03:55 PM Response to Reply #17 |
165. same with me |
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Telly Savalas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-29-07 07:45 AM Response to Reply #17 |
232. Do you hold a grudge because an undocumented worker damaged your caps lock key ? |
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bdamomma (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-28-07 10:37 AM Response to Original message |
5. not to sound ignorant but this bill failed could someone just explain |
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havocmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-28-07 10:48 AM Response to Reply #5 |
6. They won't fare as well as the illegal EMPLOYERS who lure them |
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greyghost (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-28-07 11:13 AM Response to Reply #6 |
10. Exactly |
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pampango (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-28-07 12:00 PM Response to Reply #10 |
82. I am not happy, but I agree that the Repubs and the Blue Dog |
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TahitiNut (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-28-07 11:19 AM Response to Reply #6 |
14. Exactly. |
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havocmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-28-07 11:30 AM Response to Reply #14 |
24. "It assured absolutely NO improvement in human conditions - either alien or domestic. None." |
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Zavulon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-28-07 02:08 PM Response to Reply #24 |
126. I'm glad, too |
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pampango (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-28-07 03:26 PM Response to Reply #126 |
151. There have been some, not most, posters who have opposed any immigration |
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Zavulon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-28-07 03:56 PM Response to Reply #151 |
167. Well, one thing is for sure... |
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Craftsman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-28-07 02:10 PM Response to Reply #24 |
128. Exactly, this was just to help business and not either citizens or the |
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greyghost (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-28-07 11:35 AM Response to Reply #14 |
28. Bingo! ... |
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merh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-28-07 11:36 AM Response to Reply #14 |
32. thank you |
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TahitiNut (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-28-07 11:57 AM Response to Reply #32 |
78. (blush) Thanks, y'all. |
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merh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-28-07 12:07 PM Response to Reply #78 |
91. Before we can truly address the "immigration" crisis |
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havocmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-28-07 12:26 PM Response to Reply #91 |
103. I'll carry that petition and work for that amendment! |
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TahitiNut (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-28-07 04:03 PM Response to Reply #91 |
173. I'm 100% on-board for such an amendment. |
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merh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-28-07 05:00 PM Response to Reply #173 |
191. Or how about limiting the lifetime of the corporation and mandating their purpose |
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TahitiNut (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-28-07 05:39 PM Response to Reply #191 |
200. As I said, I'm on board ... for all or any part. |
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merh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-28-07 07:14 PM Response to Reply #200 |
211. Oh, I like that, the "corporate death penalty" |
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Saturday (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-28-07 10:56 AM Response to Reply #5 |
7. Nothing will happen. Life will go on as usual for everyone. n/t |
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Imagevision (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-28-07 10:58 AM Response to Original message |
8. It was 20 million people 2 years ago, how did it get to 12 million?? |
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azndndude (484 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-28-07 11:09 AM Response to Original message |
9. Native Americans react to Illegal Immigration |
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TahitiNut (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-28-07 11:15 AM Response to Reply #9 |
12. Indeed. After all ... |
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merh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-28-07 01:11 PM Response to Reply #9 |
113. I do love that |
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greyghost (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-28-07 11:14 AM Response to Original message |
11. Actually... |
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quinnox (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-28-07 11:16 AM Response to Original message |
13. Good |
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greyghost (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-28-07 11:19 AM Response to Reply #13 |
15. AMEN n/t |
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TwilightGardener (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-28-07 11:20 AM Response to Original message |
16. For all those who are happy today: what did you win? I'm curious. |
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greyghost (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-28-07 11:27 AM Response to Reply #16 |
20. For one... |
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TwilightGardener (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-28-07 11:36 AM Response to Reply #20 |
31. Yeah, right--the old RW talk-radio "enforce the laws" argument-- |
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greyghost (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-28-07 12:03 PM Response to Reply #31 |
85. There seems to be a tendacy in... |
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TwilightGardener (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-28-07 12:23 PM Response to Reply #85 |
100. How was it a free ride? If we can start documenting/tracking illegals in a |
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northzax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-28-07 12:35 PM Response to Reply #31 |
107. a driver's license |
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TwilightGardener (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-28-07 12:42 PM Response to Reply #107 |
109. Well, if it's being used for photo ID for a job--isn't that for eligibility? |
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northzax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-28-07 01:19 PM Response to Reply #109 |
114. when supplemented with proof of citizenship, yes |
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cherokeeprogressive (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-28-07 06:28 PM Response to Reply #114 |
208. No Problem. I can get all three of those things for you in an day or two. n/t |
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northzax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-28-07 08:00 PM Response to Reply #208 |
212. which is why there needs to be a database |
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cherokeeprogressive (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-28-07 10:16 PM Response to Reply #212 |
221. I'm on your side, but playing devil's advocate. |
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northzax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-28-07 11:02 PM Response to Reply #221 |
222. well, that is a problem |
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cherokeeprogressive (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-28-07 11:57 PM Response to Reply #222 |
224. I have no suggestions. I do however have plenty of frustrations. |
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BlooInBloo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-28-07 11:21 AM Response to Original message |
18. (shrug) I don't think the issue is a big deal anyway. |
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TwilightGardener (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-28-07 11:24 AM Response to Reply #18 |
19. We have 12-20 million people in this country who are here illegally-- |
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RB TexLa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-28-07 11:29 AM Response to Reply #19 |
22. how many children they have? |
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greyghost (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-28-07 11:32 AM Response to Reply #22 |
26. You gotta be kidding! |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-28-07 11:35 AM Response to Reply #26 |
29. Deleted message |
wicket (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-28-07 11:36 AM Response to Reply #29 |
33. rofl |
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RB TexLa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-28-07 11:39 AM Response to Reply #29 |
37. Ever notice how you can read things even if some of the letters are scrambled |
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greyghost (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-28-07 11:39 AM Response to Reply #29 |
40. Try to debate the issue. |
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BlooInBloo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-28-07 11:40 AM Response to Reply #40 |
43. Awwww.... don't cwy!!! |
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havocmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-28-07 11:56 AM Response to Reply #43 |
76. Interesting debate method |
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havocmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-28-07 11:40 AM Response to Reply #29 |
44. Casting asparagus on newer members with low post counts? |
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BlooInBloo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-28-07 11:41 AM Response to Reply #44 |
46. mmm.... asparagus. |
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TahitiNut (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-28-07 11:43 AM Response to Reply #44 |
50. Agreed. |
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TahitiNut (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-28-07 11:40 AM Response to Reply #29 |
45. Disgusting. |
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havocmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-28-07 11:41 AM Response to Reply #45 |
47. Johnny on the Spot |
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greyghost (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-28-07 11:43 AM Response to Reply #47 |
51. Needless to say, mine as well. |
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BlooInBloo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-28-07 11:42 AM Response to Reply #45 |
48. Ah - thanks! Will keep that in mind in the future! |
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havocmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-28-07 11:47 AM Response to Reply #48 |
59. Good. We will look forward to reasoned debate in the future |
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BlooInBloo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-28-07 11:48 AM Response to Reply #59 |
61. There was no hit & run. |
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havocmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-28-07 11:49 AM Response to Reply #61 |
64. LOL |
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BlooInBloo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-28-07 11:50 AM Response to Reply #64 |
65. (shrug) I always thought "hit n run" meant "post something inflammatory, and then post nothing more" |
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havocmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-28-07 11:52 AM Response to Reply #65 |
69. Also points to those who refuse the real debate and stick to pointless OT attacks |
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BlooInBloo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-28-07 11:54 AM Response to Reply #69 |
72. Ah - an alternate usage. Thanks! |
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YvonneCa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-28-07 11:44 AM Response to Reply #26 |
54. Many of the children... |
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havocmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-28-07 11:54 AM Response to Reply #54 |
73. Yes, all children should be taken care of. But without numbers, how do we budget |
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YvonneCa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-28-07 06:22 PM Response to Reply #73 |
207. That's why comprehensive... |
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Megahurtz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-28-07 06:05 PM Response to Reply #54 |
202. Being born here |
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YvonneCa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-28-07 06:21 PM Response to Reply #202 |
205. Better reread.. |
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Megahurtz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-28-07 07:07 PM Response to Reply #205 |
210. The Constitution Has Zilch - Nothing |
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YvonneCa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-28-07 10:04 PM Response to Reply #210 |
220. It supercedes all... |
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datasuspect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-29-07 07:43 AM Response to Reply #202 |
231. "they come here to pop out kids" |
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pampango (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-29-07 08:27 AM Response to Reply #231 |
242. Dude, they are talking about Mexicans, not the Irish. Your outdated attitudes toward immigrants |
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Bridget Burke (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-29-07 12:08 PM Response to Reply #202 |
259. Currently, being born in the USA makes you a citizen. |
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LSK (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-28-07 11:48 AM Response to Reply #26 |
62. illegal immigrants are not the reason we cant afford other things |
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havocmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-28-07 11:36 AM Response to Reply #22 |
30. When it comes to paying for schools and other services, quite a bit, actually. |
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greyghost (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-28-07 11:29 AM Response to Reply #19 |
23. Exactly... |
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datasuspect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-28-07 01:27 PM Response to Reply #23 |
118. it is a problem, those damn irish are taking all the good police jobs |
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havocmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-28-07 02:34 PM Response to Reply #118 |
134. Speaking of the Irish... lots of them were offered citizenship for military service |
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pampango (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-28-07 03:53 PM Response to Reply #134 |
162. Were the Irish exploited here? Of course. The question for the Irish |
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pampango (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-28-07 03:31 PM Response to Reply #118 |
153. Dude. It's Hispanics now, not the Irish. They were last century's |
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Bridget Burke (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-28-07 04:03 PM Response to Reply #118 |
172. And despite the "No Irish Need Apply" signs.... |
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BlooInBloo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-28-07 11:34 AM Response to Reply #19 |
27. They pay payroll taxes, which at they salaries, is about all they would be paying... |
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greyghost (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-28-07 11:38 AM Response to Reply #27 |
34. "Sure" they do...n/t |
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BlooInBloo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-28-07 11:39 AM Response to Reply #34 |
38. Enjoy your visit! May I suggest the DU Top Ten list? It's a vacationer's favorite! |
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greyghost (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-28-07 11:50 AM Response to Reply #38 |
66. Why is some ones post count so... |
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TwilightGardener (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-28-07 11:52 AM Response to Reply #66 |
68. I agree--you and I don't see eye to eye on this, but I support your right |
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greyghost (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-28-07 11:57 AM Response to Reply #68 |
77. Exactly... |
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Megahurtz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-28-07 06:11 PM Response to Reply #77 |
203. I agree with ya greyghost. |
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BlooInBloo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-28-07 11:52 AM Response to Reply #66 |
70. There's no issue to debate. |
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havocmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-28-07 11:55 AM Response to Reply #70 |
74. Den, why'd ya bring it up in the first place |
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BlooInBloo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-28-07 11:59 AM Response to Reply #74 |
81. Um, I didn't. I initially said there wasn't a significant problem. |
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havocmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-28-07 12:05 PM Response to Reply #81 |
87. Reply 29. "Hi newly-joined, low post count, concerned person!" |
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Bridget Burke (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-28-07 12:22 PM Response to Reply #34 |
97. And they pay sales tax. Which can be pretty high... |
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TahitiNut (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-28-07 05:26 PM Response to Reply #97 |
198. So do TOURISTS. So fucking what? |
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Bridget Burke (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-29-07 07:40 AM Response to Reply #198 |
229. It's one answer to "they don't pay taxes".... |
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TwilightGardener (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-28-07 11:40 AM Response to Reply #27 |
41. I'm FOR the bill. I'm FOR fixing at least some aspects of this situation. |
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havocmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-28-07 11:44 AM Response to Reply #27 |
53. Making assumptions that someone who is not fond of illegal immigration |
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greyghost (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-28-07 11:47 AM Response to Reply #53 |
58. Well said. n/t |
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BlooInBloo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-28-07 11:47 AM Response to Reply #53 |
60. damn reverse-racists!!! lolol! Well SCOTUS is on your side - gutting Brown v Board! |
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Madspirit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-28-07 04:03 PM Response to Reply #60 |
171. Bloo is my Hero and he's right... |
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BlooInBloo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-28-07 04:09 PM Response to Reply #171 |
176. Go back on vacation! We got things under control here! |
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Madspirit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-28-07 04:14 PM Response to Reply #176 |
178. I just stopped in to k&r Good and Worthy Things |
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LSK (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-28-07 11:38 AM Response to Reply #19 |
35. not really, we always have had a large # of illegals here |
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Recursion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-28-07 11:38 AM Response to Reply #19 |
36. They are paying taxes |
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LSK (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-28-07 11:40 AM Response to Reply #36 |
42. everytime they buy something they are paying taxes |
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TwilightGardener (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-28-07 11:44 AM Response to Reply #36 |
52. Property taxes--which is what funds the schools their children attend? |
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BlooInBloo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-28-07 11:56 AM Response to Reply #52 |
75. Sigh. If the laborer is paid under the table... |
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TwilightGardener (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-28-07 12:08 PM Response to Reply #75 |
92. Do you have any sort of proof of the kind of taxes that illegals pay? |
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northzax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-28-07 08:25 PM Response to Reply #92 |
213. someone owns the home they live in, right? |
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Recursion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-28-07 12:06 PM Response to Reply #52 |
90. Obviously they pay property taxes if they own property |
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TwilightGardener (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-28-07 12:14 PM Response to Reply #90 |
93. Well, if twenty of them are living in one house, instead of their own homes, |
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Recursion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-28-07 01:28 PM Response to Reply #93 |
119. Then the towns need to assess those buildings at a higher rate |
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Matsubara (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-28-07 11:53 AM Response to Reply #19 |
71. Illegals don't get welfare or benefits, and they pay all kinds of taxes. |
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TwilightGardener (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-28-07 12:00 PM Response to Reply #71 |
83. I think it's highly disputable how much taxes (and what kind) they pay-- |
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Matsubara (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-28-07 12:06 PM Response to Reply #83 |
89. If the bill had succeeded they would still get shit pay, AND be eligible for benefits! |
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TwilightGardener (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-28-07 12:36 PM Response to Reply #89 |
108. Yeah, Bush wanted this bill to pass. So did Obama--I think he has good intentions, don't you? |
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Matsubara (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-28-07 01:33 PM Response to Reply #108 |
123. Suffice it to say... |
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pampango (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-28-07 03:55 PM Response to Reply #123 |
166. What about "legals"? Does their presence depress wages for |
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Matsubara (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-28-07 08:27 PM Response to Reply #166 |
214. "Legals" are much more likely and able to complain to authorities when paid a subminimum wage. |
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pampango (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-28-07 08:31 PM Response to Reply #214 |
216. So if we made the "illegals" legal, that would be a good thing? |
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Matsubara (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-28-07 08:47 PM Response to Reply #216 |
218. I don't think so. We've had 2 huge amnesties, and they did nothing to stem the tide |
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datasuspect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-28-07 01:25 PM Response to Reply #19 |
117. "how many diseases they carry" |
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TwilightGardener (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-28-07 02:11 PM Response to Reply #117 |
129. Wow--if you don't believe that people from poverty-stricken foreign nations |
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BlooInBloo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-28-07 02:37 PM Response to Reply #129 |
135. It never is. |
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datasuspect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-28-07 02:39 PM Response to Reply #135 |
137. of course its not |
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datasuspect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-28-07 02:38 PM Response to Reply #129 |
136. i'm really naive then |
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northzax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-28-07 08:30 PM Response to Reply #129 |
215. what, like leprosy? |
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TwilightGardener (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-28-07 09:51 PM Response to Reply #215 |
219. Isn't it standard for immigrants and travelers to get medical exams |
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northzax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-28-07 11:15 PM Response to Reply #219 |
223. travelers? not really |
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TwilightGardener (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-29-07 08:18 AM Response to Reply #223 |
241. I'm not sure why you're making an issue of this. Yes, disease is a standard |
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LSK (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-28-07 11:39 AM Response to Original message |
39. I dont care |
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Bridget Burke (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-28-07 12:18 PM Response to Reply #39 |
95. It was a great distraction from Iraq. |
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nonconformist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-28-07 11:42 AM Response to Original message |
49. Well, I'm happy |
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cgrindley (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-28-07 11:46 AM Response to Original message |
55. But it wasn't a great bill, it deserved to die on the floor |
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Matsubara (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-28-07 11:46 AM Response to Original message |
56. So, I guess that makes me truly evil... |
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pitohui (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-28-07 12:04 PM Response to Reply #56 |
86. no you're not evil at all |
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Bridget Burke (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-28-07 12:29 PM Response to Reply #86 |
104. "Scabs" take the jobs of Union workers out on strike. |
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Matsubara (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-28-07 01:21 PM Response to Reply #104 |
115. I'm aware of what a scab is. |
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Bridget Burke (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-28-07 02:41 PM Response to Reply #115 |
139. Yes, I "get it." |
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Matsubara (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-28-07 08:44 PM Response to Reply #139 |
217. I don't know Cornyn & Hutchinson's reason for their vote... |
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Bridget Burke (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-29-07 07:36 AM Response to Reply #217 |
228. It was a win/win situation for Cornyn & Hutchison. |
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erpowers (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-28-07 11:57 AM Response to Original message |
80. My Problem |
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Vinca (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-28-07 12:03 PM Response to Original message |
84. In all honesty, if the bill had passed do you think it would have turned |
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greyghost (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-28-07 12:06 PM Response to Reply #84 |
88. That's the system that's been... |
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Throd (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-28-07 12:21 PM Response to Reply #84 |
96. Absolutely! |
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TwilightGardener (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-28-07 12:26 PM Response to Reply #84 |
102. Didn't this bill provide more money for border security--like 4.4 billion? |
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Jim Warren (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-28-07 12:34 PM Response to Reply #102 |
106. The wording of the bill |
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TwilightGardener (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-28-07 12:45 PM Response to Reply #106 |
111. I agree that border security is a must. |
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WinkyDink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-28-07 12:22 PM Response to Original message |
98. Wasn't this Bush's bill? |
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Jim Warren (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-28-07 12:25 PM Response to Reply #98 |
101. Big Time! |
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pampango (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-28-07 12:33 PM Response to Reply #98 |
105. I think Kennedy would want some credit, too, n/t |
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blackbartroberts (51 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-28-07 01:11 PM Response to Original message |
112. How about a real Illegal alien bill for a change? |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-28-07 01:25 PM Response to Reply #112 |
116. Deleted message |
blackbartroberts (51 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-28-07 01:32 PM Response to Reply #116 |
121. Elitist response |
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havocmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-28-07 01:32 PM Response to Reply #116 |
122. What is the deal with criticism of post counts and/or time here when someone disagrees? |
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RB TexLa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-28-07 01:34 PM Response to Reply #122 |
125. Only time I've ever pointed it out. That was their first post |
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blackbartroberts (51 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-28-07 02:08 PM Response to Reply #125 |
127. Perhaps I was not clear enough |
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Megahurtz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-28-07 06:20 PM Response to Reply #127 |
204. Yea Good Post! |
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havocmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-28-07 02:18 PM Response to Reply #125 |
130. Only time you have used it here. But it has been used up-thread by others |
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RB TexLa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-28-07 02:21 PM Response to Reply #130 |
132. allies? Someone who wants EMT's to make sure one is 'Merican before treating their heart attack? |
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havocmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-28-07 02:24 PM Response to Reply #132 |
133. If ya don't like someone's opinion, you might consider trying to change it |
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BlooInBloo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-28-07 02:40 PM Response to Reply #132 |
138. lol! Someone said that? I'm with you - I'll pass on that sort of "ally". |
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blackbartroberts (51 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-28-07 03:08 PM Response to Reply #132 |
145. Good point... Kinda... |
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Bridget Burke (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-28-07 02:55 PM Response to Reply #122 |
142. It's a reflex response to idiotic posts. |
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blackbartroberts (51 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-28-07 03:05 PM Response to Reply #142 |
144. Please dissect |
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Bridget Burke (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-28-07 03:16 PM Response to Reply #144 |
147. I'd rather point & laugh. |
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blackbartroberts (51 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-28-07 03:45 PM Response to Reply #147 |
159. Ok then |
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havocmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-28-07 03:41 PM Response to Reply #144 |
157. Hang in there, blackbartroberts |
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blackbartroberts (51 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-28-07 04:52 PM Response to Reply #157 |
187. Thanks |
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LostinVA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-28-07 01:30 PM Response to Reply #112 |
120. Wow. Unreal. |
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blackbartroberts (51 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-28-07 01:33 PM Response to Reply #120 |
124. Please elaborate |
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Bridget Burke (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-28-07 02:50 PM Response to Reply #112 |
141. Why not throw some "illegal employers" into jail? |
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blackbartroberts (51 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-28-07 03:02 PM Response to Reply #141 |
143. I would support jailing the illegal employers |
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Bridget Burke (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-28-07 03:16 PM Response to Reply #143 |
146. Leave the Constitution alone. |
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blackbartroberts (51 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-28-07 03:20 PM Response to Reply #146 |
148. An originalist? |
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Bridget Burke (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-28-07 03:24 PM Response to Reply #148 |
149. If they were born here, they are not aliens. |
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blackbartroberts (51 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-28-07 03:34 PM Response to Reply #149 |
154. Debatable |
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LSK (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-28-07 03:41 PM Response to Reply #154 |
158. Todays hottest topic is Cheney |
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blackbartroberts (51 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-28-07 04:02 PM Response to Reply #158 |
170. No radio here today. |
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LSK (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-28-07 04:07 PM Response to Reply #170 |
175. and we all know about the left wing media |
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blackbartroberts (51 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-28-07 04:40 PM Response to Reply #175 |
183. Glad you amuse yourself. |
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Bridget Burke (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-29-07 07:04 AM Response to Reply #170 |
225. Which Right Wing Radio shows do you recommend? |
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blackbartroberts (51 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-29-07 07:43 AM Response to Reply #225 |
230. Crane Durham |
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Bridget Burke (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-29-07 09:54 AM Response to Reply #230 |
254. I found Crane Durham's website..... |
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Bridget Burke (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-28-07 03:59 PM Response to Reply #154 |
169. It seems as though you're already well acquainted with the conservative websites. |
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blackbartroberts (51 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-28-07 04:20 PM Response to Reply #169 |
179. Never said I haven't looked at other sites. |
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LSK (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-28-07 03:25 PM Response to Reply #112 |
150. ok, then lets start this program in IRAQ |
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blackbartroberts (51 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-28-07 03:36 PM Response to Reply #150 |
155. ??? |
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LSK (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-28-07 03:40 PM Response to Reply #155 |
156. well, your tax dollars are paying for Iraqi schools, healthcare, etc |
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blackbartroberts (51 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-28-07 03:51 PM Response to Reply #156 |
160. Oh. I agree with some of what you say. |
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LSK (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-28-07 03:52 PM Response to Reply #160 |
161. well my numbers say $438 billion so far, what do you have? |
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blackbartroberts (51 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-28-07 04:07 PM Response to Reply #161 |
174. At an average of 22K per alien per year |
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LSK (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-28-07 04:11 PM Response to Reply #174 |
177. $22k per illegal immigrant??????????????? |
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blackbartroberts (51 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-28-07 04:30 PM Response to Reply #177 |
181. You are right. Sorry for not citing a source. |
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LSK (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-28-07 04:42 PM Response to Reply #181 |
184. he assumes they will be low skilled workers their whole life |
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blackbartroberts (51 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-28-07 04:57 PM Response to Reply #184 |
189. Plenty of American kids that could use the money for education |
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LSK (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-28-07 04:59 PM Response to Reply #189 |
190. or we can not have illegal wars and pay for all of it |
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blackbartroberts (51 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-28-07 05:25 PM Response to Reply #190 |
197. No war bill means big attacks at home. |
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Bridget Burke (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-29-07 07:07 AM Response to Reply #197 |
226. So--we're fighting them over there so we won't need to fight them over here! |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-29-07 08:01 AM Response to Reply #226 |
235. Deleted message |
Bridget Burke (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-29-07 09:44 AM Response to Reply #235 |
253. Iraq had nothing whatsoever to do with 9/11. |
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LSK (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-28-07 04:50 PM Response to Reply #181 |
186. his numbers are flawed |
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blackbartroberts (51 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-28-07 05:04 PM Response to Reply #186 |
192. I am aware of the difference in Social Security and Income tax |
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LSK (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-28-07 05:13 PM Response to Reply #192 |
194. my assumptions on my Social Security Report I get once a year? |
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blackbartroberts (51 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-28-07 05:27 PM Response to Reply #194 |
199. Wow, different reports? |
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LSK (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-28-07 05:43 PM Response to Reply #199 |
201. I didnt know SSA distributes anything to illegal aliens |
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blackbartroberts (51 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-29-07 08:16 AM Response to Reply #201 |
240. Neither did I |
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Bridget Burke (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-29-07 07:29 AM Response to Reply #181 |
227. Here's what those Liberals at the Wall Street Journal had to say |
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blackbartroberts (51 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-29-07 08:37 AM Response to Reply #227 |
244. Sounds like he said he said to me |
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Bridget Burke (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-29-07 09:38 AM Response to Reply #244 |
252. Which experts told you about the population bomb? |
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blackbartroberts (51 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-29-07 10:02 AM Response to Reply #252 |
256. Paul Ehrlich for one... |
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Bridget Burke (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-29-07 12:14 PM Response to Reply #256 |
260. ZPG is now "Population Connection: Education & Action For a Better World" |
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blackbartroberts (51 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-29-07 01:37 PM Response to Reply #260 |
263. Do you even read what I write or do you just make it up in your head? |
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Bridget Burke (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-28-07 03:54 PM Response to Reply #155 |
164. LSK means that we're wasting resources (human & financial) in Iraq. |
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RB TexLa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-28-07 04:21 PM Response to Reply #164 |
180. Oh, now, the poster has alreay said they don't want to talk about Iraq, wants to stay focused on |
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blackbartroberts (51 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-28-07 04:32 PM Response to Reply #180 |
182. I'll talk about iraq if you can't make an immigration argument. |
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blackbartroberts (51 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-28-07 04:50 PM Response to Reply #164 |
185. Don't think Iraq is more expensive than illegal aliens |
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LSK (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-28-07 04:56 PM Response to Reply #185 |
188. The US Constitution states all treaties are the law of the land |
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blackbartroberts (51 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-28-07 05:16 PM Response to Reply #188 |
195. As long as the fight is over there. |
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peaches2003 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-28-07 02:20 PM Response to Original message |
131. It weakens Bush so it is fine |
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napi21 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-28-07 02:47 PM Response to Original message |
140. I disagree with you. That bill was unworkable! |
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Yukari Yakumo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-28-07 05:12 PM Response to Reply #140 |
193. As for the 30,000 border guards |
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mmonk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-28-07 03:27 PM Response to Original message |
152. I would say wait until another time |
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Raine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-28-07 03:57 PM Response to Original message |
168. It's for the best |
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blackbartroberts (51 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-28-07 05:21 PM Response to Original message |
196. Interesting Theory |
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havocmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-29-07 07:53 AM Response to Reply #196 |
234. Could be the Oil Industry in the US is tired of paying decent wages too |
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blackbartroberts (51 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-29-07 08:04 AM Response to Reply #234 |
237. Nationalized in Mexico |
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blackbartroberts (51 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-29-07 08:07 AM Response to Reply #237 |
238. Yep |
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Jim Warren (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-29-07 08:09 AM Response to Reply #237 |
239. Yes it is. |
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blackbartroberts (51 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-29-07 08:52 AM Response to Reply #239 |
247. What kind of living do oil workers earn |
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Jim Warren (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-29-07 09:21 AM Response to Reply #247 |
251. some current background |
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Jim Warren (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-29-07 08:03 AM Response to Reply #196 |
236. Here's one |
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RadiDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-28-07 06:22 PM Response to Original message |
206. You mean the 'cheap labor for corporate globalist union-hating elites' disguised as 'immigration'? |
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RB TexLa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-28-07 06:32 PM Response to Reply #206 |
209. Ever try calling them human beings instead of an object to blame? |
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blackbartroberts (51 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-29-07 07:49 AM Response to Reply #209 |
233. Human beings, but also criminals |
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bleedingheart (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-29-07 08:37 AM Response to Reply #233 |
245. bull....they aren't criminals...they are poor folks looking to feed themselves and their families |
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blackbartroberts (51 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-29-07 08:46 AM Response to Reply #245 |
246. We have something in common |
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pampango (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-29-07 08:52 AM Response to Reply #246 |
248. Do you feel the same way about the American poor? |
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blackbartroberts (51 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-29-07 09:01 AM Response to Reply #248 |
249. Yes |
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pampango (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-29-07 09:57 AM Response to Reply #249 |
255. The "crime" of the illegal workers is working at a job. |
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blackbartroberts (51 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-29-07 11:32 AM Response to Reply #255 |
257. My selfish family reasons |
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pampango (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-29-07 11:53 AM Response to Reply #257 |
258. While I sometimes pursue my interests for selfish reasons, |
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blackbartroberts (51 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-29-07 01:00 PM Response to Reply #258 |
262. Not socially acceptable |
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pampango (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-29-07 01:40 PM Response to Reply #262 |
264. I used the term "socially acceptable" to refer to the nature of the jobs |
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blackbartroberts (51 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-29-07 02:33 PM Response to Reply #264 |
265. I don't think the work is socially or economically useful |
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pampango (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-29-07 02:54 PM Response to Reply #265 |
266. I don't think that Illegal aliens are causing economic harm to Americans, |
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blackbartroberts (51 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-29-07 03:52 PM Response to Reply #266 |
267. Thank you pampango |
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pampango (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-29-07 04:29 PM Response to Reply #267 |
268. Thanks to you too, blackbartroberts. |
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bleedingheart (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-29-07 08:33 AM Response to Reply #209 |
243. human beings used as cheap labor...seems like a fair statement |
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blackbartroberts (51 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-29-07 09:08 AM Response to Reply #243 |
250. All about cheap/slave labor |
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