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Alexander (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-28-07 08:06 PM Original message |
Poll question: Should the United States have a national passenger rail system? |
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Selatius (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-28-07 08:09 PM Response to Original message |
1. Hell fucking yes. It's one of the most technologically least sophisticated ways to get off cars/oil. |
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pathansen (696 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-29-07 08:30 AM Response to Reply #1 |
45. Agreed. Rail systems connecting every major city |
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Retired AF Dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-29-07 08:38 AM Response to Reply #1 |
48. How do you get to the train station? nt |
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Selatius (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-29-07 11:19 PM Response to Reply #48 |
52. City bus transit, of course. |
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AdHocSolver (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-30-07 12:30 AM Response to Reply #52 |
57. I am old enough to remember riding trolley cars and city buses all over town. |
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AdHocSolver (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-30-07 01:10 AM Response to Reply #48 |
59. The same way you get to the airport, if you fly. n/t |
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cynatnite (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-28-07 08:10 PM Response to Original message |
2. Used it like crazy when I lived in Germany... |
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Hangingon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-28-07 09:14 PM Response to Reply #2 |
31. We took the ICE from Wiesbaden to Koln last week |
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cynatnite (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-28-07 09:35 PM Response to Reply #31 |
34. It was the late 80's when I lived in Germany and it was very cheap then... |
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ThomWV (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-28-07 08:11 PM Response to Original message |
3. Not only should it but its inevitable that we will have one |
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opihimoimoi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-28-07 08:11 PM Response to Original message |
4. Japan Germany, France all have it...are we nuts?? Helloooooo? K&R |
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northzax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-30-07 02:16 PM Response to Reply #4 |
79. Japan, Germany and France |
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DutchLiberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-28-07 08:12 PM Response to Original message |
5. We privatized it years ago. The people are still regretting it. |
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Selatius (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-28-07 08:13 PM Response to Reply #5 |
6. I heard the netherlands privatized their health care system? Is that true? |
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DutchLiberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-29-07 08:36 AM Response to Reply #6 |
47. Not entirely. But there have been a lot of changes in the past years under the right-wing government |
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Selatius (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-29-07 11:29 PM Response to Reply #47 |
53. The notion of must paying for private health insurance sounds much like corporate welfare. |
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LeftyMom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-28-07 08:13 PM Response to Original message |
7. Would people use it? |
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Donnachaidh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-28-07 08:18 PM Response to Reply #7 |
9. But it is needed on the two coasts |
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LeftyMom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-28-07 08:25 PM Response to Reply #9 |
14. I thought they had a commuter rail system back east? |
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Donnachaidh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-28-07 08:42 PM Response to Reply #14 |
21. Amtrak - ick |
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depakid (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-28-07 09:00 PM Response to Reply #21 |
27. I don't know- Amtrak Cascades is great! |
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Lydia Leftcoast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-28-07 11:56 PM Response to Reply #21 |
37. Any "ickiness" of Amtrak is due to its being seriously underfunded |
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TankLV (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-30-07 01:17 AM Response to Reply #37 |
60. Plus the repukes are always trying to eliminate funding... |
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AdHocSolver (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-30-07 02:07 AM Response to Reply #37 |
61. Billions of tax dollars to the airlines, the airplane manufacturers (military-industrial), and... |
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A HERETIC I AM (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-30-07 12:46 PM Response to Reply #61 |
71. Do you have a link to that Airline maintenance story? |
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AdHocSolver (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-30-07 03:09 PM Response to Reply #71 |
83. Some links to articles about the outsourcing of airline maintenance. |
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AdHocSolver (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-30-07 04:03 PM Response to Reply #71 |
84. More links to articles on airline outsourcing of maintenance and its effects on safety. |
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A HERETIC I AM (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-30-07 05:28 PM Response to Reply #84 |
85. Thanks. Still looking those over. I was unaware those airlines were sending their planes |
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Donnachaidh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-30-07 12:03 PM Response to Reply #37 |
69. My ick comment was about my own personal experience |
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Lydia Leftcoast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-30-07 12:05 PM Response to Reply #69 |
70. Probably no money for training and/or paying enough so that |
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Donnachaidh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-30-07 12:58 PM Response to Reply #70 |
72. true on both points |
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Lydia Leftcoast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-30-07 01:08 PM Response to Reply #72 |
73. Try the trip from St. Paul to Chicago some time |
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DemBones DemBones (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-29-07 11:56 PM Response to Reply #21 |
55. It's insane that we don't have commuter trains from |
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northzax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-30-07 02:18 PM Response to Reply #21 |
80. hey, in the NE corridor |
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DemBones DemBones (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-29-07 11:48 PM Response to Reply #7 |
54. They have very fast trains in Italy -- and |
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AdHocSolver (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-30-07 01:08 AM Response to Reply #7 |
58. Train travel is not much slower than by car, if at all, and much cheaper than airplanes. |
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piedmont (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-30-07 01:38 PM Response to Reply #7 |
75. When oil becomes too expensive for flight to be economical, yes. nt |
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marions ghost (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-28-07 08:15 PM Response to Original message |
8. We have been denied |
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Donnachaidh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-28-07 08:20 PM Response to Reply #8 |
11. Henry Ford and the other automakers did alot to kill OFF rail and trolleys |
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marions ghost (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-29-07 05:08 PM Response to Reply #11 |
49. Yes |
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mzteris (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-28-07 08:20 PM Response to Original message |
10. you forgot a word: |
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Alexander (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-28-07 08:22 PM Response to Reply #10 |
12. Actually the word I was thinking of adding was the word |
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mzteris (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-28-07 08:45 PM Response to Reply #12 |
22. Hell - that's even MORE affordable. |
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karlrschneider (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-28-07 08:36 PM Response to Reply #10 |
19. Affordability is the stepchild of desire. |
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blues90 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-28-07 08:25 PM Response to Original message |
13. We used to have trains |
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enid602 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-28-07 09:31 PM Response to Reply #13 |
33. LA rail |
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demnan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-28-07 08:26 PM Response to Original message |
15. There's an entire political party based in Virginia |
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mnhtnbb (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-28-07 08:28 PM Response to Original message |
16. Hell fucking yes. |
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Yukari Yakumo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-28-07 08:28 PM Response to Original message |
17. No. |
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Babsbrain (536 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-28-07 08:40 PM Response to Reply #17 |
20. This country obviously has money to burn |
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Lydia Leftcoast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-28-07 08:56 PM Response to Reply #17 |
25. High-speed trains run on electricity AND given their passenger loads, |
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NobleCynic (991 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-28-07 11:49 PM Response to Reply #25 |
35. Where did you find that 600 number? |
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Lydia Leftcoast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-28-07 11:53 PM Response to Reply #35 |
36. Can't remember where I saw the figure |
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Solon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-29-07 01:47 AM Response to Reply #17 |
43. Well, in the coming decades we will have the following choices, train, feet, or horse and buggy... |
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krispos42 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-30-07 02:21 AM Response to Reply #17 |
63. Diesel is not a big deal |
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AdHocSolver (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-30-07 02:55 AM Response to Reply #17 |
64. You have to compare the oil used by a train relative to the number of passengers it carries... |
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triguy46 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-28-07 08:33 PM Response to Original message |
18. Add it to the list of other things we should have. |
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DemBones DemBones (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-30-07 12:03 AM Response to Reply #18 |
56. We have to build other transit systems, too, like buses |
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Swamp Rat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-28-07 08:49 PM Response to Original message |
23. Light rail is the most practical and economical way to travel. |
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BearSquirrel2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-28-07 08:51 PM Response to Original message |
24. We subsidize the airlines with airports and security ... |
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Help me help Earth (217 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-28-07 08:59 PM Response to Original message |
26. If it worked, yes. |
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Solly Mack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-28-07 09:02 PM Response to Original message |
28. Most definitely. |
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Nutmegger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-28-07 09:03 PM Response to Original message |
29. But isn't that communist? |
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annabanana (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-28-07 09:05 PM Response to Original message |
30. We WOULD have had one, if not for the car & oil guys. . |
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YellowRubberDuckie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-28-07 09:21 PM Response to Original message |
32. We need public transit on the level of Europe. |
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kenny blankenship (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-29-07 12:02 AM Response to Original message |
38. It won't work for a basic reason that you cannot physically overcome |
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BlooInBloo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-29-07 12:05 AM Response to Original message |
39. I love taking the train from sea to pdx - it's perfect. |
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EVDebs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-29-07 12:10 AM Response to Original message |
40. The socialists in Alaska have state control of their Alaska RR |
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frogcycle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-29-07 01:09 AM Response to Original message |
41. take a step back |
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roody (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-29-07 01:41 AM Response to Original message |
42. Absofuckinglutely. |
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NuttyFluffers (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-29-07 05:04 AM Response to Original message |
44. could you imagine the ridiculous possible speeds of mag-lev thru kansas? |
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dkofos (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-29-07 08:32 AM Response to Original message |
46. Yes, if it can go 600MPH. |
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OzarkDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-29-07 05:30 PM Response to Original message |
50. Sure! |
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KAT119 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-29-07 06:23 PM Response to Original message |
51. Yes!! |
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Cobalt-60 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-30-07 02:20 AM Response to Original message |
62. Absolutely f*cking yes |
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JohnLocke (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-30-07 03:51 AM Response to Original message |
65. Of course, and it should be the best in the world. |
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Eurobabe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-30-07 06:32 AM Response to Original message |
66. Come to Germany, try our trains, that will answer your question. n/t |
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blondeatlast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-30-07 08:07 AM Response to Reply #66 |
67. Loved Germany, loved the transport systems in Europe. |
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Atman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-30-07 08:09 AM Response to Original message |
68. Should birds have wings? |
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cgrindley (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-30-07 01:10 PM Response to Original message |
74. And fares should be heavily subsidized |
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mainer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-30-07 01:45 PM Response to Original message |
76. Please. ANYTHING to avoid flying again. |
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stirlingsliver (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-30-07 01:54 PM Response to Original message |
77. Every "City" Of At Least 1,000,000 People? |
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Alexander (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-30-07 02:19 PM Response to Reply #77 |
82. Not even every "city" of 1,000,000 has been covered. |
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northzax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-30-07 02:16 PM Response to Original message |
78. no |
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Alexander (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-30-07 05:31 PM Response to Reply #78 |
87. What about the electromagnetic trains in Japan? |
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northzax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-31-07 12:53 PM Response to Reply #87 |
89. Too expensive |
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wuushew (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-30-07 02:19 PM Response to Original message |
81. who voted no? |
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MissB (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-30-07 05:29 PM Response to Original message |
86. Yes. |
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Alexander (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-30-07 05:32 PM Response to Original message |
88. I didn't expect this thread to stay kicked this long, or that 97% of respondents... |
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