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yurbud (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-24-07 06:01 PM Original message |
Progressive Sen. Boxer shills for neocon wet dream, dividing Iraq against Iraqis will |
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sicksicksick_N_tired (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-24-07 06:06 PM Response to Original message |
1. Interesting. An attack on Barbara Boxer. Thanks, "yurbud" for your contribution to progress. |
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jgraz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-24-07 06:12 PM Response to Reply #1 |
4. Your point being...??? |
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sicksicksick_N_tired (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-24-07 06:34 PM Response to Reply #4 |
14. Oh, gee,...no point. No point intended, at all. Well, except the obvious attack,... |
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jgraz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-24-07 06:43 PM Response to Reply #14 |
15. If Boxer is doing something we don't agree with, what's wrong with pointing that out? |
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yurbud (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-24-07 06:53 PM Response to Reply #4 |
21. don't worry, I'm not usually intimidated by mindless cheerleading by some low level staffer in DC |
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JackRiddler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-25-07 09:12 AM Response to Reply #4 |
55. The point: You're either with us, or you're with the terrorists. |
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yurbud (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-24-07 06:48 PM Response to Reply #1 |
16. are we just supposed to vote and then shut up? |
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jgraz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-24-07 06:09 PM Response to Original message |
2. Boxer's no stranger to shilling for neocons. Remember her support for LIEberman |
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Totally Committed (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-24-07 06:56 PM Response to Reply #2 |
25. I will never forget she shilled for Lieberman over Lamont.... |
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yurbud (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-24-07 07:09 PM Response to Reply #25 |
30. I missed that at the time. Damn. |
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JackRiddler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-25-07 09:20 AM Response to Reply #2 |
56. Must people here be so unrelentingly vulgar? |
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jgraz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-25-07 09:59 AM Response to Reply #56 |
58. Sorry, I try not to mention Lieberman unless it's absolutely necessary |
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VP505 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-24-07 06:12 PM Response to Original message |
3. I could be wrong |
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Zhade (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-25-07 10:29 PM Response to Reply #3 |
64. You'd think it would be up to them to determine what to do with THEIR oil, too. |
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hlthe2b (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-24-07 06:13 PM Response to Original message |
5. Well, it is either that approach or... a new US-appointed dictator |
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yurbud (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-24-07 06:55 PM Response to Reply #5 |
23. there was no civil war before we invaded, and Saudi foreign fighters are fanning flames |
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hlthe2b (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-24-07 09:42 PM Response to Reply #23 |
44. And your point back to me would be? |
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yurbud (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-25-07 04:29 AM Response to Reply #44 |
46. you hardly earn the right to decide how to fix something because you broke it |
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hlthe2b (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-25-07 07:35 AM Response to Reply #46 |
48. I doubt ANYONE here disagrees with that... but, as you KNOW... |
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yurbud (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-25-07 08:55 AM Response to Reply #48 |
50. how about allow Iraqis actual sovereignty on small issues like kicking out Blackwater for starters? |
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hlthe2b (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-25-07 10:34 PM Response to Reply #50 |
66. these expectations are not mutually exclusive... |
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HeraldSquare212 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-24-07 06:13 PM Response to Original message |
6. But she's right that the constitution sets up a federal system |
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oasis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-24-07 06:18 PM Response to Original message |
7. Iraqis want peace and tranquility most of all. Whatever it takes. (eom) |
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yurbud (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-24-07 06:52 PM Response to Reply #7 |
19. it is not our place to decide what it takes, and peace is not the goal anyway. |
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dailykoff (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-24-07 06:59 PM Response to Reply #19 |
26. You got that right. |
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oasis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-24-07 07:07 PM Response to Reply #19 |
29. "our place" is to do the best we can repairing that which "we" screwed up. As far |
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dailykoff (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-24-07 07:11 PM Response to Reply #29 |
32. If what your TV is telling you was true, maybe. |
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Inuca (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-24-07 08:16 PM Response to Reply #32 |
40. Unfortunately I do not think you are right n/t |
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yurbud (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-24-07 07:13 PM Response to Reply #29 |
34. they'd probably get all the peace they want if they gave up the claim to their oil too |
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oasis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-24-07 08:02 PM Response to Reply #34 |
38. Biden has been ther at least half dozen times. He knows better than you, or me.(n/t) |
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yurbud (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-24-07 09:38 PM Response to Reply #38 |
42. Bush has been there too, and Rummy, Cheney, and Paul Bremer. visiting doesn't equal pure motives |
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Zhade (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-25-07 10:32 PM Response to Reply #29 |
65. How magnanimous of you to decide the fate of the victims of this war crime. |
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oasis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-26-07 12:32 PM Response to Reply #65 |
70. The "Iraqi people" have grown weary of the bloodshed.More hand wringing is not the solution.(eom) |
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Inuca (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-24-07 06:19 PM Response to Original message |
8. Absurd characterization |
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Disturbed (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-24-07 06:23 PM Response to Reply #8 |
10. The US Occupation needs to end. |
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Inuca (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-24-07 06:29 PM Response to Reply #10 |
13. I agree, it needs to end |
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yurbud (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-24-07 06:50 PM Response to Reply #8 |
17. I admit, shill is harsh for Boxer, but tool is rather kind for Biden. |
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Inuca (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-24-07 08:14 PM Response to Reply #17 |
39. No, I think it is highly inappropriate |
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JackRiddler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-25-07 09:22 AM Response to Reply #8 |
57. "I do not know enough to fully agree or disagree..." |
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Zhade (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-25-07 10:34 PM Response to Reply #8 |
67. Biden's not a corporate tool? Oh, how quickly some forget the Bankruptcy Bill... |
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Stop Cornyn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-24-07 06:22 PM Response to Original message |
9. "We the Senators of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union in Iraq, do Superimpose |
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yurbud (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-24-07 07:16 PM Response to Reply #9 |
35. Biden-Brownback-Boxer...that's the full spectrum of our political establishment and they're uniting |
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Mz Pip (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-24-07 06:24 PM Response to Original message |
11. Well, gee |
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yurbud (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-24-07 06:52 PM Response to Reply #11 |
18. she is supporting one of their wet dreams. I would like to think Boxer is someone we could vote for |
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Zhade (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-25-07 10:37 PM Response to Reply #11 |
68. Pointing out the gross arrogance and immorality of this is a purity test? |
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PDenton (513 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-24-07 06:29 PM Response to Original message |
12. Iraq is FUBAR |
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yurbud (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-25-07 08:58 AM Response to Reply #12 |
51. maybe Bush did nothing in the face of ethnic strife because it was doing his job for him |
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Virginia Dare (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-25-07 08:59 AM Response to Reply #51 |
52. Precisely... |
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yurbud (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-25-07 09:07 AM Response to Reply #52 |
54. eerily similar to ethnic violence in Yugoslavia after decades of peaceful co-existence |
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calteacherguy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-24-07 06:53 PM Response to Original message |
20. I read Clark comment on this idea some months ago... |
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MadBadger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-24-07 06:55 PM Response to Original message |
22. Barbara Boxer is the coolest Senator. She was on Curb your Enthusiasm this season. Girl can act. |
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Hobarticus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-24-07 06:56 PM Response to Original message |
24. Actually, support for a central gov't seems to be falling... |
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moondust (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-24-07 06:59 PM Response to Original message |
27. The problem with those polls |
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yurbud (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-24-07 07:10 PM Response to Reply #27 |
31. like they were doing for decades before Bush invaded? |
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moondust (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-24-07 07:32 PM Response to Reply #31 |
37. Under the thumb of a thug. |
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yurbud (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-24-07 09:39 PM Response to Reply #37 |
43. Iraq held together when they had a president they liked too, Kassem. |
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moondust (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-25-07 08:23 AM Response to Reply #43 |
49. Yeah, I almost forgot about those 4-1/2 years of bliss. |
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Virginia Dare (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-25-07 09:03 AM Response to Reply #43 |
53. Unfortunately, I don't see that happening again any time soon.. |
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Inuca (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-24-07 08:18 PM Response to Reply #27 |
41. Exactly n/t |
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rucky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-25-07 10:45 PM Response to Reply #27 |
69. It worked well for the Sunnis under Saddam... |
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David Zephyr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-24-07 07:00 PM Response to Original message |
28. I've advocated this since 2004 here at the DU and I am no neo-con. |
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yurbud (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-24-07 07:12 PM Response to Reply #28 |
33. it should be up to the Iraqis, not something we push when we have over 100,000 troops there |
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David Zephyr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-24-07 07:17 PM Response to Reply #28 |
36. Which is why I said it would require us "butting out" |
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BringEmOn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-24-07 10:06 PM Response to Reply #36 |
45. Geez...maybe they'll put Iraqis onto reservations. |
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yurbud (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-25-07 04:32 AM Response to Reply #45 |
47. It's working in Israel too, in a remarkably similar process: settle on someone else's land, |
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David Zephyr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-25-07 08:23 PM Response to Reply #45 |
60. Duh...that's exactly what I am suggesting. |
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BringEmOn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-25-07 08:28 PM Response to Reply #60 |
61. Oops...posted in wrong place. |
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dailykoff (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-25-07 09:06 PM Response to Reply #60 |
63. We made it, so we can break it? |
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murbley40 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-25-07 11:30 AM Response to Original message |
59. Have you read th e entire plan? |
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David Zephyr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-25-07 08:29 PM Response to Reply #59 |
62. Thanks for your thoughtful input, murbley40. |
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