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annabanana (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-16-10 05:08 AM Original message |
Do Americans hate teachers? |
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Anakin Skywalker (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-16-10 05:12 AM Response to Original message |
1. Sure! Why Not? |
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proud2BlibKansan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-16-10 08:43 AM Response to Reply #1 |
62. Also a significant number right here on DU |
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seabeyond (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-16-10 09:10 AM Response to Reply #62 |
74. yup. nt |
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LWolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-17-10 07:49 PM Response to Reply #62 |
204. Based on this thread, I'd say it's definitely a DU trend. nt |
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Crystal Clarity (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-16-10 05:14 AM Response to Original message |
2. It sure seems that way |
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old mark (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-16-10 05:21 AM Response to Original message |
3. Back in the late 1990's when the anti-Clinton RW crowd was out screaming that |
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Jade Fox (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-16-10 05:28 AM Response to Original message |
4. more and more...... |
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Smarmie Doofus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-16-10 05:37 AM Response to Original message |
5. They hate UNIONS. |
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Fla Dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-16-10 09:09 AM Response to Reply #5 |
72. Business Hates Unions....Republicans hate Unions |
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proud2BlibKansan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-16-10 05:46 AM Response to Original message |
6. No only the ones who belong to a union. |
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GoCubsGo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-16-10 07:49 AM Response to Reply #6 |
38. No, they hate the ones that teach in public schools, PERIOD. |
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Dappleganger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-16-10 08:41 AM Response to Reply #38 |
59. After the hell we went through fighting SB 6 here in FL the past few weeks... |
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NNN0LHI (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-16-10 05:47 AM Response to Original message |
7. If you think back to last year it was the union auto workers who were in this same barrel |
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Romulox (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-16-10 10:35 AM Response to Reply #7 |
112. Funny you should mention autoworkers! |
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Skidmore (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-16-10 05:57 AM Response to Original message |
8. These arguments that belonging to a group means you are |
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Hissyspit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-16-10 06:02 AM Response to Reply #8 |
10. There is plenty of getting the hate on for workers, and little accountability for management. |
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azurnoir (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-16-10 07:26 AM Response to Reply #10 |
33. there are school officials being called in to question |
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azurnoir (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-16-10 07:22 AM Response to Reply #8 |
30. +1 very true |
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MattBaggins (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-16-10 08:13 AM Response to Reply #8 |
44. Everyone knows and accepts what you wrote. |
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Skidmore (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-16-10 08:57 AM Response to Reply #44 |
69. There is plenty of blame go go around, from |
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laughingliberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-17-10 02:25 PM Response to Reply #69 |
183. It may, indeed, be in need of systemic change but the current propaganda |
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wolfgangmo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-16-10 10:26 AM Response to Reply #8 |
106. I had a union job. |
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laughingliberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-17-10 02:27 PM Response to Reply #106 |
184. Myth is correct. And it is, specifically, an RW created myth. nt |
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LWolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-16-10 01:30 PM Response to Reply #8 |
157. Let's enlilghten you. |
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laughingliberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-17-10 02:28 PM Response to Reply #157 |
185. +1000 nt |
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Mojeoux (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-17-10 06:57 PM Response to Reply #8 |
200. "perform their jobs competently" By who's criteria? Unions=Working Americans n/t |
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LARED (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-16-10 05:58 AM Response to Original message |
9. I think it's a symptom of the economic times |
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ixion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-16-10 06:03 AM Response to Original message |
11. Our culture treats intelligence like a disease |
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notesdev (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-16-10 06:07 AM Response to Original message |
12. The performance is indefensible |
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teach1st (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-16-10 06:18 AM Response to Reply #12 |
13. We are |
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proud2BlibKansan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-16-10 06:22 AM Response to Reply #13 |
17. +1 |
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GreenPartyVoter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-16-10 06:24 AM Response to Reply #17 |
18. And another +1 |
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Klukie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-17-10 07:02 PM Response to Reply #18 |
201. and one more +1 |
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athenasatanjesus (592 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-18-10 07:07 PM Response to Reply #201 |
219. +1 again |
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notesdev (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-16-10 07:03 AM Response to Reply #13 |
23. Need better leadership then |
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proud2BlibKansan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-16-10 07:08 AM Response to Reply #23 |
25. Such bullshit! |
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notesdev (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-16-10 07:19 AM Response to Reply #25 |
29. Is that so? |
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proud2BlibKansan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-16-10 08:34 AM Response to Reply #29 |
56. I have a far better understanding of AFT's goals than you do |
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notesdev (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-16-10 08:51 AM Response to Reply #56 |
66. Do I take your word, or the official AFT word? |
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proud2BlibKansan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-16-10 11:44 AM Response to Reply #66 |
142. So you are calling me a liar |
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notesdev (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-16-10 12:00 PM Response to Reply #142 |
150. I'm saying you can't back up those claims |
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haele (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-18-10 12:14 PM Response to Reply #66 |
217. Is it possible that this position is a matter of perception? |
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wolfgangmo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-16-10 10:39 AM Response to Reply #29 |
114. Correct me if I'm wrong but... |
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notesdev (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-16-10 11:12 AM Response to Reply #114 |
131. Apparently it does |
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proud2BlibKansan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-16-10 11:47 AM Response to Reply #114 |
144. Yes AFT represents some higher Ed groups |
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MattBaggins (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-16-10 08:16 AM Response to Reply #13 |
47. Nope it's all your fault |
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proud2BlibKansan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-16-10 08:47 AM Response to Reply #47 |
64. Can we sell tickets? |
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annabanana (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-16-10 06:19 AM Response to Reply #12 |
14. They have been I think. The problem is that our totally compromised |
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MadHound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-16-10 06:21 AM Response to Reply #12 |
16. The fact is there have always been a certain percentage that have graduated as functional illiterate |
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seabeyond (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-16-10 06:35 AM Response to Reply #12 |
20. yes. here is the example of the american people, not knowing what he is talking about, yet |
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notesdev (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-16-10 06:57 AM Response to Reply #20 |
21. Yours is a great example of wagon circling behavior |
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annabanana (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-16-10 07:01 AM Response to Reply #21 |
22. you have not delineated the "real problems". . |
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notesdev (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-16-10 07:09 AM Response to Reply #22 |
27. I have in fact identified the real problems |
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Klukie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-16-10 09:17 AM Response to Reply #27 |
78. I would start with the parents!!!! |
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wolfgangmo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-16-10 10:52 AM Response to Reply #27 |
119. Start with the administration. |
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seabeyond (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-16-10 07:10 AM Response to Reply #21 |
28. yes, i have issue with people going after a broken system that isn't broken, for whatever agenda |
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notesdev (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-16-10 07:40 AM Response to Reply #28 |
36. I am not putting any onus on teachers |
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seabeyond (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-16-10 08:15 AM Response to Reply #36 |
46. i dont have a vested interest but that my children are in the system. and |
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notesdev (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-16-10 08:41 AM Response to Reply #46 |
60. Re: 4x4 |
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seabeyond (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-16-10 09:00 AM Response to Reply #60 |
70. that is so easy to say, but that isn't a reality. and it isn't thinking it thru. and reality? |
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notesdev (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-16-10 09:09 AM Response to Reply #70 |
73. Kids in Europe can do it |
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seabeyond (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-16-10 09:14 AM Response to Reply #73 |
75. you dont have the facts and information correct. you do have the propaganda and rhetoric down pat |
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notesdev (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-16-10 09:31 AM Response to Reply #75 |
83. A failed system does not deserve preservation |
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seabeyond (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-16-10 09:34 AM Response to Reply #83 |
85. ok. so none of your argument works or makes sense or is factual so adjust... start over |
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notesdev (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-16-10 09:44 AM Response to Reply #85 |
91. A good summary of the problem |
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seabeyond (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-16-10 09:48 AM Response to Reply #91 |
93. and every time you ignore that fact that the education is there. the child could receive |
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notesdev (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-16-10 09:58 AM Response to Reply #93 |
97. I don't agree with that statement at all |
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seabeyond (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-16-10 10:01 AM Response to Reply #97 |
99. so you are not seeing what is actually happening in the academics of school |
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notesdev (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-16-10 10:08 AM Response to Reply #99 |
102. I'm not making assumptions |
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seabeyond (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-16-10 10:14 AM Response to Reply #102 |
103. you do the kids no favor in ignoring the issues. you might want to look at societal trends |
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notesdev (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-16-10 10:27 AM Response to Reply #103 |
108. It's called "enabling" |
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seabeyond (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-16-10 10:33 AM Response to Reply #108 |
110. OM fuckin G. now you want the teachers to be parents to the fuckin parents |
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notesdev (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-16-10 10:37 AM Response to Reply #110 |
113. Not at all |
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seabeyond (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-16-10 10:41 AM Response to Reply #113 |
116. oh. well. yea! you found a little, itsy bitsy piece of the issue to grab onto ignoring the elephant |
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notesdev (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-16-10 11:05 AM Response to Reply #116 |
126. That's not itsy bitsy |
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laughingliberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-17-10 02:54 PM Response to Reply #108 |
191. Enabling, my ass! If a parent is interested in whether their child is learning they will spend the |
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seabeyond (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-16-10 10:05 AM Response to Reply #97 |
100. ex; my niece where academics is not a priority, girls are stupid, but sexy |
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notesdev (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-16-10 10:20 AM Response to Reply #100 |
105. "who gets the blame for that" |
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seabeyond (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-16-10 10:26 AM Response to Reply #105 |
107. i guess you and i see it differently. i see it as a society that allows, accepts, encourages |
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Klukie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-16-10 11:04 AM Response to Reply #97 |
125. Math does allow for the human element.... |
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wolfgangmo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-16-10 11:07 AM Response to Reply #75 |
127. I'm afraid I have to give your opponent points on this one. |
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seabeyond (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-16-10 11:28 AM Response to Reply #127 |
137. one of the first things i addressed are the students that are not academically inclined |
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laughingliberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-17-10 02:59 PM Response to Reply #127 |
192. Thank you. I think you identified a central problem in the way we attempt to educate our children |
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seabeyond (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-16-10 09:09 AM Response to Reply #60 |
71. btw... science, history, english, no concern with my boys. all easy for them |
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notesdev (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-16-10 09:15 AM Response to Reply #71 |
76. That's life |
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seabeyond (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-16-10 09:21 AM Response to Reply #76 |
80. YOU didnt have to do it. it wasnt required of YOU. YOU did not receive that education |
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notesdev (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-16-10 09:35 AM Response to Reply #80 |
87. Try listening to what I have said |
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seabeyond (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-16-10 09:51 AM Response to Reply #87 |
94. except those of us that have our kids in the system, and are parenting our kids |
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NotThisTime (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-16-10 02:13 PM Response to Reply #94 |
162. And what about those of us who send our kids as you indicate and they sit there learning NOTHING or |
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seabeyond (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-16-10 02:33 PM Response to Reply #162 |
165. now you want to tailor make school for each individual child? what are you doing |
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laughingliberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-17-10 02:43 PM Response to Reply #36 |
187. I'm old but not so old I don't remember my school days and I can't recall believing it was my |
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seabeyond (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-17-10 02:45 PM Response to Reply #187 |
188. and be entertained to assure absolutely no boredom touch us.... nt |
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Dappleganger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-16-10 08:43 AM Response to Reply #12 |
61. It's not the teacher's fault. |
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notesdev (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-16-10 08:54 AM Response to Reply #61 |
67. It's a lot of peoples' fault |
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wolfgangmo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-16-10 10:33 AM Response to Reply #12 |
111. RE: fixing it |
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notesdev (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-16-10 11:09 AM Response to Reply #111 |
129. Given their own platform |
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Klukie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-16-10 01:01 PM Response to Reply #129 |
155. If you think that those items that are in the sidebar don't have anything to do with education... |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-16-10 11:22 AM Response to Reply #12 |
134. Did you know that schools are scripted to the test now? |
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seabeyond (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-16-10 11:31 AM Response to Reply #134 |
139. on the one hand they have to demand the child passes, on the other they work hard not to over stress |
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Jakes Progress (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-16-10 11:49 AM Response to Reply #12 |
145. Ah. Another victory notch for the neocons. |
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seabeyond (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-16-10 11:55 AM Response to Reply #145 |
147. exactly. how easy it is with luntz's repeat repeat repeat adn it becomes a truth |
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notesdev (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-16-10 12:15 PM Response to Reply #145 |
151. Here's the real background |
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seabeyond (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-16-10 01:34 PM Response to Reply #151 |
158. your conclusions are from apps. you arent in the system. you dont know the system. you refuse |
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Jakes Progress (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-16-10 01:49 PM Response to Reply #151 |
161. Oh so uninformed. |
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laughingliberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-17-10 03:05 PM Response to Reply #151 |
193. I may not have had to hire but I've had to train the new hires at many jobs |
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SmileyRose (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-16-10 06:20 AM Response to Original message |
15. Thank RushHannityInc and the boys who brought us 30 yrs of Bushes |
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lostnfound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-16-10 06:31 AM Response to Original message |
19. Nonteachers who want to run the show from a central location have used think tanks |
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aikoaiko (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-16-10 07:04 AM Response to Original message |
24. They hate the " government schools" |
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GoCubsGo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-16-10 07:51 AM Response to Reply #24 |
39. Exactly right. |
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MattBaggins (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-16-10 08:22 AM Response to Reply #24 |
49. Accountability is only for the teachers though |
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seabeyond (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-16-10 08:24 AM Response to Reply #24 |
50. this is EXACTLY what it is and so clear, obvious, patterned, adn we on the left fell for it |
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marmar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-16-10 07:08 AM Response to Original message |
26. The Corporate Mindf**k of Americans has unfortunately been very successful..... |
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seabeyond (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-16-10 07:23 AM Response to Original message |
31. what amazes me is the total ineptness of the people that insist the teachers are at fault with kids |
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azurnoir (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-16-10 07:30 AM Response to Reply #31 |
34. What is about then? n/t |
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seabeyond (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-16-10 08:18 AM Response to Reply #34 |
48. parents, kids, society as a whole. the knowledge that not all kids are meant |
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Klukie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-16-10 08:28 AM Response to Reply #48 |
53. You nailed it !!!! |
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SocialistLez (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-16-10 08:39 AM Response to Reply #53 |
58. I'm fine with HIGH expectations |
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seabeyond (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-16-10 08:43 AM Response to Reply #58 |
63. the thing about it is, those of us, teachers and parents, that have HIGH expectation |
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SocialistLez (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-16-10 09:24 AM Response to Reply #63 |
81. It was pretty much understood |
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seabeyond (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-16-10 09:46 AM Response to Reply #81 |
92. i send my kids off to find their books. all the library employees know them. |
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SocialistLez (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-17-10 01:56 PM Response to Reply #92 |
180. If they're old enough to find their own books |
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AngryAmish (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-16-10 08:38 AM Response to Reply #48 |
57. I wonder what the less educated are going to do in the future. |
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seabeyond (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-16-10 08:48 AM Response to Reply #57 |
65. this is my huge concern. this is where the attention should be focused. |
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AngryAmish (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-16-10 11:46 AM Response to Reply #65 |
143. A lot of parents will freak when they are told their kid should not go to college |
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seabeyond (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-16-10 11:57 AM Response to Reply #143 |
148. one of the problems today is a lot of parents refuse to face reality. |
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Michigan-Arizona (516 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-16-10 11:35 AM Response to Reply #48 |
140. seabeyond, thank you for putting it into word's that I wanted to say! n/t |
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azurnoir (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-16-10 01:44 PM Response to Reply #48 |
159. thanks just what I expected all the PC mouthings |
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seabeyond (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-16-10 02:48 PM Response to Reply #159 |
167. didn't you have an agenda all prepared to put my answer in a box. |
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azurnoir (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-16-10 03:43 PM Response to Reply #167 |
172. well it may help to know that at the Native American school |
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seabeyond (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-16-10 04:15 PM Response to Reply #172 |
178. because the solution is corporatizing the schools. there are teachers here and there |
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MattBaggins (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-16-10 08:25 AM Response to Reply #34 |
51. The parents and vultures that see dollar signs from education |
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seabeyond (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-16-10 08:29 AM Response to Reply #51 |
54. or your challenge..... my kids have struggle and will struggle and address it and move on |
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azurnoir (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-16-10 01:47 PM Response to Reply #54 |
160. so according to you teaching is the parents job the onus is on parents |
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seabeyond (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-16-10 04:09 PM Response to Reply #160 |
177. in the 11 yrs and 8 yrs kids have gone to school, i have seen 3 poor teachers. |
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laughingliberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-17-10 03:19 PM Response to Reply #160 |
194. As I recall from my long ago school days the onus was on me and my parents were the ones who made |
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Iggo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-16-10 07:24 AM Response to Original message |
32. Mobs hate teachers. |
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stray cat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-16-10 07:35 AM Response to Original message |
35. Many Americans have to perform competently to keep their job |
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MattBaggins (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-16-10 08:28 AM Response to Reply #35 |
52. Now here you have the classic mindset of Americans |
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azurnoir (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-16-10 02:14 PM Response to Reply #52 |
163. The poster said nothing of the sort |
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newportdadde (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-16-10 07:41 AM Response to Original message |
37. Propoganda - corporations want the union destroyed and the pensions in their pockets. |
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erinlough (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-16-10 09:15 AM Response to Reply #37 |
77. wonderful summary right on the mark. Follow the money. nt |
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wolfgangmo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-16-10 11:58 AM Response to Reply #37 |
149. +1 |
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Dr Morbius (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-16-10 07:54 AM Response to Original message |
40. Well, there's one thing that the right is very good at, and that is... |
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philly_bob (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-16-10 07:59 AM Response to Original message |
41. Some Americans hate educated people in general. (nt) |
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hobbit709 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-16-10 08:02 AM Response to Reply #41 |
42. Idiocracy is rapidly becoming a documentary. |
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frustrated_lefty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-16-10 08:08 AM Response to Original message |
43. I think there's a general disgust with the American educational system |
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SocialistLez (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-16-10 09:34 AM Response to Reply #43 |
84. +1 |
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Klukie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-16-10 08:15 AM Response to Original message |
45. I see an element of blame among parents... |
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hayu_lol (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-16-10 08:33 AM Response to Reply #45 |
55. Some points to ponder... |
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proud2BlibKansan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-16-10 08:57 AM Response to Reply #55 |
68. +1,000,000 |
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Klukie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-16-10 09:19 AM Response to Reply #55 |
79. I couldn't agree with you more...on all points!! |
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SocialistLez (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-16-10 09:28 AM Response to Reply #55 |
82. +1 |
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political_Dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-16-10 09:35 AM Response to Original message |
86. The Bushes, RNC, Corporate Behemoths and Right Wing Media are to blame. |
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Hepburn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-16-10 09:36 AM Response to Original message |
88. It's a lack of respect more than hate, IMO. |
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Bitwit1234 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-16-10 09:39 AM Response to Original message |
89. The GOP is making an effort to "get rid of liberal teachers" |
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Dr Morbius (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-16-10 09:59 AM Response to Reply #89 |
98. A very good point. You're probably right. (nt) |
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geardaddy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-16-10 09:40 AM Response to Original message |
90. No they hate unions. |
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lib2DaBone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-16-10 09:52 AM Response to Original message |
95. Americans don't hate teachers...but REPUBLICANS do... |
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havocmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-16-10 10:19 AM Response to Reply #95 |
104. seems more than a couple DUers have teachers on their list of scapegoats |
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seabeyond (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-16-10 10:39 AM Response to Reply #104 |
115. i truly just shake my head. my kids do more academically, and earlier than we did. people ignore |
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havocmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-16-10 10:56 AM Response to Reply #115 |
121. Yep. When I hear '...for the children' I duck because shit is usually about to fly |
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seabeyond (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-16-10 10:58 AM Response to Reply #121 |
122. yup. nt |
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havocmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-16-10 09:56 AM Response to Original message |
96. Lately, I have noticed a lot of Americans hate ANYBODY who sets standards for behavior |
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Klukie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-16-10 10:05 AM Response to Reply #96 |
101. +1 |
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frustrated_lefty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-16-10 10:48 AM Response to Reply #96 |
117. Part of what bothers me is that we've really crippled teachers |
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seabeyond (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-16-10 10:50 AM Response to Reply #117 |
118. i am so with you. i watch it daily. people that arent a part, are the ones yelling the loudest |
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havocmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-16-10 11:02 AM Response to Reply #117 |
124. All teachers are NOT progressives/reformers. Sorry you misunderstood |
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frustrated_lefty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-16-10 11:12 AM Response to Reply #124 |
130. Sorry for my misunderstanding, wasn't trying to be confrontational |
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havocmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-16-10 11:20 AM Response to Reply #130 |
132. I know, wasn't trying for confrontational in my explanation either |
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havocmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-16-10 11:08 AM Response to Reply #117 |
128. What went wrong in the 80s & 90s was the fruition of changes |
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seabeyond (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-16-10 11:35 AM Response to Reply #128 |
141. but.... having stepped into it at the end of 70's, we too abrogated our responsibilities |
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havocmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-16-10 03:08 PM Response to Reply #141 |
168. nah, I was the bane of many school boards |
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wolfgangmo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-16-10 12:44 PM Response to Reply #96 |
153. LOL. |
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ensho (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-16-10 10:32 AM Response to Original message |
109. many do - my father said teachers weren't born they were found under |
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havocmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-16-10 11:22 AM Response to Reply #109 |
133. Congratulations on turning out to be such a wonderful person |
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lonestarnot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-16-10 10:55 AM Response to Original message |
120. Disgusting! |
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Tierra_y_Libertad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-16-10 10:59 AM Response to Original message |
123. Teachers this administration's version of "Welfare Queens". |
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Dinger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-16-10 12:18 PM Response to Reply #123 |
152. duncan and obama don't give a shit (nt) |
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depakid (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-16-10 11:25 AM Response to Original message |
135. Just anoher symptom of a nation in decline... |
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tonysam (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-16-10 11:28 AM Response to Original message |
136. It's not "Americans." It's the neoliberals, in conjunction with the World Bank, |
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laughingliberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-17-10 03:21 PM Response to Reply #136 |
195. The entire problem right there in your one post! nt |
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Grand Taurean (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-16-10 11:30 AM Response to Original message |
138. Americans have a subtle hatred of intellectuals and intellectualism. |
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Jakes Progress (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-16-10 11:53 AM Response to Original message |
146. Teachers are the flashy thing that ed-corp us using |
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mod mom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-16-10 12:49 PM Response to Original message |
154. The ones that hate intellectualism do (think folks like limbo & beck) |
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LWolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-16-10 01:23 PM Response to Original message |
156. Teachers are perfect scapegoats for so many things. nt |
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n.michigan (108 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-17-10 08:12 PM Response to Reply #156 |
206. Yes. Granholm (MI) -using contracted pensions with R's to make up for budget failures |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-16-10 02:17 PM Response to Original message |
164. Yep, part and parcel of the tradition of anti intellectualism |
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mrmpa (707 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-16-10 02:38 PM Response to Original message |
166. Hate here-Respect in Europe |
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Caliman73 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-16-10 03:19 PM Response to Original message |
169. I think that many are ambivalent about teachers. |
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tonysam (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-16-10 03:43 PM Response to Reply #169 |
171. And fourth, there is an organized attempt to destroy public education worldwide |
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KonaKane (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-16-10 03:25 PM Response to Original message |
170. There is disdain here for anything in the educational institution |
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AnArmyVeteran (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-16-10 03:54 PM Response to Original message |
173. Why are so many people who just want a reasonable salary? |
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BlooInBloo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-16-10 03:58 PM Response to Original message |
174. I don't hate them, but education majors are useless for all but the youngest... |
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callous taoboy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-16-10 04:02 PM Response to Original message |
175. I'm a teacher and I feel valued by my students and parents. I think the media would like |
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WinkyDink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-16-10 04:08 PM Response to Original message |
176. Yes. How many of us liked school AND all our teachers? I BECAME one, yet hated some! |
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treestar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-16-10 04:17 PM Response to Original message |
179. No, but there are some who expect too much |
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Catshrink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-17-10 02:08 PM Response to Original message |
181. Teachers are afraid to lose their jobs. |
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tonysam (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-17-10 02:51 PM Response to Reply #181 |
190. And the World Bank, which is spearheading this worldwide. n/t |
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DailyGrind51 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-17-10 02:08 PM Response to Original message |
182. They hate "tenure", not teachers. |
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tonysam (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-17-10 02:45 PM Response to Reply #182 |
189. They don't know what "tenure" is, and apparently you don't, either. |
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DailyGrind51 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-17-10 06:44 PM Response to Reply #189 |
199. I DO know, it provides teachers with more job security than that enjoyed by other workers. |
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n.michigan (108 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-17-10 08:30 PM Response to Reply #182 |
208. TENURE- provides "safe" APOLITICAL learning environment for children |
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steelmania75 (836 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-17-10 02:31 PM Response to Original message |
186. I'd say yes. |
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Orsino (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-17-10 05:08 PM Response to Original message |
196. Those who don't mature beyond adolescence may retain a lot of resentment. |
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Bert (445 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-17-10 05:58 PM Response to Original message |
197. I can think of a couple |
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ThoughtCriminal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-17-10 06:01 PM Response to Original message |
198. The tea-baggers are still pissed about |
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pitohui (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-17-10 07:06 PM Response to Original message |
202. a significant number of us were hit and abused by teachers in our youth |
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Catshrink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-17-10 07:35 PM Response to Reply #202 |
203. That "three months of vacation" is a myth. |
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pitohui (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-17-10 08:39 PM Response to Reply #203 |
210. the 3 months of vacation was my little joke |
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Catshrink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-17-10 08:55 PM Response to Reply #210 |
212. I hope you get the help you so desperately need. |
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tonysam (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-17-10 08:00 PM Response to Reply #202 |
205. Your opinion has no bearing on education today |
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pitohui (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-17-10 08:36 PM Response to Reply #205 |
209. a question was asked and i answered it |
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n.michigan (108 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-17-10 08:14 PM Response to Original message |
207. So little push back? BLAME unions compromised by Obama and Duncan Race to the Bottom |
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Catshrink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-17-10 08:55 PM Response to Reply #207 |
211. If only we could get teachers united! |
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n.michigan (108 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-17-10 10:26 PM Response to Reply #211 |
213. Million Teacher March- How would Obama and Duncan like that modeling of civil rights? |
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Catshrink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-18-10 10:24 AM Response to Reply #213 |
214. It would be awesome |
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NC_Nurse (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-18-10 10:33 AM Response to Original message |
215. Gotta have a scapegoat. It's the RW way. Besides, if you can't blame teachers |
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Dream Girl (153 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-18-10 11:26 AM Response to Original message |
216. I don't think much of them |
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dorkulon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-18-10 12:30 PM Response to Original message |
218. Why is it necessary to revere or hate teachers? |
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