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H2O Man (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-05-11 07:18 AM Original message |
Geronimo |
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FSogol (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-05-11 07:20 AM Response to Original message |
1. K & R. n/t |
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H2O Man (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-05-11 09:20 AM Response to Reply #1 |
20. Thank you. |
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myrna minx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-05-11 07:38 AM Response to Original message |
2. Thank you . K&R n/t |
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H2O Man (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-05-11 09:20 AM Response to Reply #2 |
21. Thanks! |
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myrna minx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-05-11 10:38 AM Response to Reply #21 |
40. I always appreciate your thoughtful essays and historical context. |
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spanone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-05-11 07:40 AM Response to Original message |
3. k&r... |
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malaise (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-05-11 07:45 AM Response to Original message |
4. Another thoughtful post |
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H2O Man (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-05-11 08:10 AM Response to Reply #4 |
15. Thanks. It's funny |
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Solomon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-05-11 07:46 AM Response to Original message |
5. Agreed. If they say they are offended then we need to respect that |
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steve2470 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-05-11 07:46 AM Response to Original message |
6. k&r |
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OneGrassRoot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-05-11 07:46 AM Response to Original message |
7. K&R n/t |
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DFab420 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-05-11 07:48 AM Response to Original message |
8. Wasn't Geronimo just the callsign for Mission Accomplished? |
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Pab Sungenis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-05-11 08:03 AM Response to Reply #8 |
13. What I'd heard was that it was the success code word. |
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DFab420 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-05-11 08:07 AM Response to Reply #13 |
14. Thank you, that's what I thought |
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Myrina (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-06-11 07:08 AM Response to Reply #13 |
128. Well that's an insult to the Irish, then ... |
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Solly Mack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-05-11 07:51 AM Response to Original message |
9. K&R |
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OHdem10 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-05-11 07:55 AM Response to Original message |
10. I find it interesting : The Military has been using the name Geronimo |
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Celebration (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-05-11 08:03 AM Response to Reply #10 |
12. you know what they say |
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rwsanders (41 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-05-11 08:28 AM Response to Reply #12 |
17. Does anyone know how the lawsuit is going? |
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FormerDittoHead (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-05-11 08:22 AM Response to Reply #10 |
16. Exactly. They refer to Geronimo as a symbol of success and bravery. n/t |
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Brickbat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-05-11 09:39 AM Response to Reply #10 |
26. If someone says they feel desecrated and dishonored, is it still an honor? |
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KittyWampus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-05-11 09:42 AM Response to Reply #26 |
28. Since the word wasn't used as a slur, no. If they want to try and frame an argument |
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sabrina 1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-05-11 12:43 PM Response to Reply #28 |
81. They have stated that they do not want the name associated |
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bobbolink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-05-11 10:24 AM Response to Reply #26 |
33. Didn't you know? Being sensitive to others and a decent human being are so passe'. |
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WolverineDG (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-06-11 06:49 AM Response to Reply #26 |
127. Are those "someones" related to Geronimo somehow? |
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Hubert Flottz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-05-11 07:59 AM Response to Original message |
11. K&R |
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mn9driver (877 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-05-11 08:34 AM Response to Original message |
18. Military ops code names are selected randomly. |
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bobbolink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-05-11 10:25 AM Response to Reply #18 |
34. Then it is obvious that an insenstive word can be left OFF a list. |
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mn9driver (877 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-05-11 10:37 AM Response to Reply #34 |
39. Context is everything. |
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bobbolink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-05-11 10:39 AM Response to Reply #39 |
41. We can ignore or toss the finger to US citizens who object, or we can simply remove it from the list |
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mn9driver (877 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-05-11 10:49 AM Response to Reply #41 |
42. Good luck with that. nt. |
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bobbolink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-05-11 11:00 AM Response to Reply #42 |
44. It doesn't have to do with luck, it has to do with HEART. Fortunately, many in Congress are |
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mn9driver (877 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-05-11 11:06 AM Response to Reply #44 |
45. I'd rather my congresscritters spend time on things I consider important. |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-05-11 11:17 AM Response to Reply #45 |
47. Deleted message |
mn9driver (877 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-05-11 11:29 AM Response to Reply #47 |
49. I've been here quite a bit longer than you. |
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bobbolink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-05-11 11:30 AM Response to Reply #49 |
51. I posted the facts. |
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U4ikLefty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-07-11 04:10 PM Response to Reply #49 |
138. ...and I have been here longer that YOU. |
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blondeatlast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-05-11 11:57 AM Response to Reply #45 |
62. YOU consider important. somehow I think Mr. Wellstone would consider it important and you share |
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mn9driver (877 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-05-11 12:01 PM Response to Reply #62 |
65. Paul Wellstone picked battles worth fighting. |
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blondeatlast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-05-11 01:32 PM Response to Reply #65 |
86. I wonder what your offense in mitigating an obvious offense is? |
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Garbo 2004 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-07-11 04:03 PM Response to Reply #45 |
135. Senate Indian Affairs Committee hearing scheduled well before Bin Laden op. |
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blondeatlast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-05-11 11:56 AM Response to Reply #34 |
60. Exactly. nt |
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LanternWaste (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-05-11 12:15 PM Response to Reply #34 |
70. I would imagine that the vast majority of words are offensive... |
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bobbolink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-05-11 12:19 PM Response to Reply #70 |
72. So, we now need a rollback of sensitivity gained in the last few decades, when groups |
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LanternWaste (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-05-11 12:30 PM Response to Reply #72 |
77. I don't pretend to know what's offensive to everyone. |
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bobbolink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-05-11 12:32 PM Response to Reply #77 |
78. That list is made up of what people who are AFFECTED ask of you. |
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blondeatlast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-05-11 07:28 PM Response to Reply #78 |
103. Exactly. It's a simple concept to an open mind., nt |
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Muskypundit (417 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-05-11 05:49 PM Response to Reply #34 |
98. Being in the airborne, Geronimo is not insensitive. |
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bobbolink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-05-11 09:32 PM Response to Reply #98 |
114. And it doesn't matter what his decendants say. Got it. |
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shimmergal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-05-11 10:36 PM Response to Reply #114 |
118. Do you have proof that |
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bobbolink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-06-11 08:26 AM Response to Reply #118 |
131. You have made it clear that nobody makes any difference. YOUR opinion rules, and that is all that |
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hootinholler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-05-11 08:37 AM Response to Original message |
19. It"s far past time. |
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bobbolink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-05-11 10:26 AM Response to Reply #19 |
35. Absolutely. Sadly, insensitive stubbornness has taken over. |
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CatWoman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-05-11 09:22 AM Response to Original message |
22. I visited his grave at Fort Sill |
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lauramolina (16 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-05-11 09:23 AM Response to Original message |
23. The intervention of St Jerome |
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bobbolink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-05-11 10:29 AM Response to Reply #23 |
37. Thank you so much for posting! Your voice needs to be heard, and there are a few of us who WILL |
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H2O Man (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-05-11 10:36 AM Response to Reply #23 |
38. Thank you! |
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G_j (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-05-11 11:29 AM Response to Reply #23 |
50. good call |
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TexasProgresive (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-06-11 05:47 AM Response to Reply #23 |
124. Welcome to DU |
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mmonk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-05-11 09:27 AM Response to Original message |
24. Recommended. |
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suffragette (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-05-11 09:36 AM Response to Original message |
25. K&R |
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KittyWampus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-05-11 09:39 AM Response to Original message |
27. The name "Geronimo" was used in an honorable context for a military operation requiring great skill |
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JoeyT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-05-11 05:33 PM Response to Reply #27 |
96. Sure it does. |
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H2O Man (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-05-11 10:11 AM Response to Original message |
29. Some responses: |
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mountainlion55 (302 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-05-11 10:16 AM Response to Original message |
30. Is that |
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H2O Man (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-05-11 10:21 AM Response to Reply #30 |
31. One the same. |
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tekisui (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-05-11 10:23 AM Response to Original message |
32. knr. Thanks, H2O Man. |
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sasha031 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-05-11 10:28 AM Response to Original message |
36. thank you so much for posting this thoughtful historical piece |
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Township75 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-05-11 10:56 AM Response to Original message |
43. It just shows that the racist "past" of the Democratic Party still lingers today. |
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G_j (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-05-11 11:12 AM Response to Original message |
46. thank you , that was sorely needed |
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H2O Man (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-05-11 11:43 AM Response to Reply #46 |
56. Right. |
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G_j (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-06-11 11:55 AM Response to Reply #56 |
132. some more on Goyathlay, |
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Zorra (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-05-11 11:26 AM Response to Original message |
48. Ho...knr |
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PufPuf23 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-05-11 11:32 AM Response to Original message |
52. Nice writing and sentiment. Thanks, kr nt |
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ReturnoftheDjedi (839 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-05-11 11:37 AM Response to Original message |
53. Geronimo meant "Success" not "Bin Laden" |
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H2O Man (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-05-11 11:41 AM Response to Reply #53 |
54. Read sentence #1 |
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Robb (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-05-11 11:53 AM Response to Reply #54 |
58. Don't blame the reader, you were unclear. |
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H2O Man (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-05-11 11:57 AM Response to Reply #58 |
63. Nope. |
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Robb (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-05-11 12:01 PM Response to Reply #63 |
66. Well, thankfully I'm not your editor, so my opinion doesn't matter. |
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H2O Man (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-05-11 12:03 PM Response to Reply #66 |
67. And thankfully, |
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Robb (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-05-11 12:07 PM Response to Reply #67 |
68. Please don't blame me for your sentence. |
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H2O Man (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-05-11 12:12 PM Response to Reply #68 |
69. Oh, I'm not. |
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Robb (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-05-11 12:23 PM Response to Reply #69 |
73. "You might be right, perhaps I could have made myself more clear." |
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H2O Man (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-05-11 01:36 PM Response to Reply #73 |
87. Had there been |
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Robb (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-05-11 01:48 PM Response to Reply #87 |
90. Well, I never graduated high school. I also don't have ducks, or a pond. |
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H2O Man (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-05-11 01:52 PM Response to Reply #90 |
92. You are |
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Zhade (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-05-11 01:29 PM Response to Reply #58 |
85. No, he really wasn't. |
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H2O Man (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-05-11 01:37 PM Response to Reply #85 |
88. Thank you! |
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peace4ever (434 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-05-11 07:32 PM Response to Reply #53 |
106. He didn't say it did, please re-read the post |
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me b zola (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-05-11 11:42 AM Response to Original message |
55. Recommended |
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Better Believe It (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-05-11 11:48 AM Response to Original message |
57. Thank you for a thoughtful post. |
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blondeatlast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-05-11 11:54 AM Response to Original message |
59. Well said. A dignified apology and promise not to use it again isn't at all difficult |
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H2O Man (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-05-11 11:57 AM Response to Original message |
61. Responses #2: |
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Robb (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-05-11 12:00 PM Response to Reply #61 |
64. The Chairman of the Apache Tribe of Oklahoma doesn't honor Geronimo as a spiritual leader? |
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blondeatlast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-05-11 12:18 PM Response to Reply #61 |
71. "it provides an opportuunity for learning." That explains some of the defensiveness |
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kentuck (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-05-11 12:25 PM Response to Original message |
74. I remember when I was at Ft Sill, OK training to be an artillery FO |
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blondeatlast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-05-11 12:28 PM Response to Reply #74 |
76. exactly. Time passes and we learn. I said it as I jumped into the pool |
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Muskypundit (417 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-05-11 05:57 PM Response to Reply #74 |
99. I guess your glass is half full of sand then |
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Cherchez la Femme (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-06-11 12:52 AM Response to Reply #99 |
121. What history did we honor? |
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LanternWaste (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-05-11 12:28 PM Response to Original message |
75. A small sampling of WWII code names... |
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blondeatlast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-05-11 12:32 PM Response to Reply #75 |
79. And you know, some are offended by "Geronimo." Why take offense at their offense? |
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H2O Man (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-05-11 12:34 PM Response to Reply #79 |
80. When people resort |
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LadyHawkAZ (800 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-05-11 12:45 PM Response to Original message |
82. Wow. Apparently some people will find ANYTHING |
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myrna minx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-05-11 01:14 PM Response to Reply #82 |
83. Did you read the OP? So do you disagree with the OP and/or are you |
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blondeatlast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-05-11 01:16 PM Response to Reply #82 |
84. Since when is it unusual for GD to have several threads on a particular topic? |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-05-11 01:49 PM Response to Reply #82 |
91. Maybe you should try reading one of them. This one would be a good choice. |
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ismnotwasm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-05-11 01:43 PM Response to Original message |
89. Thank you n/t |
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crickets (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-05-11 02:03 PM Response to Original message |
93. Thoughtful post, as always- |
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rhett o rick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-05-11 03:47 PM Response to Original message |
94. Thank you. Very interesting. R&K nm |
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SemperEadem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-05-11 04:28 PM Response to Original message |
95. when I heard that code name used, the first thing I thought |
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Sonoman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-05-11 07:44 PM Response to Reply #95 |
109. Jesus was my first choice, but I kinda like 'Hambone'. |
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Eyerish (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-05-11 05:33 PM Response to Original message |
97. Thank you H2O Man... |
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rasputin1952 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-05-11 07:22 PM Response to Original message |
100. Native Americans have a long proud history, which has been twisted and |
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steve2470 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-05-11 07:25 PM Response to Original message |
101. I listened to almost all that Senate hearing today and I learned a lot |
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fivepennies (419 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-05-11 07:27 PM Response to Original message |
102. Well done H2O man! |
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democrank (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-05-11 07:29 PM Response to Original message |
104. Once again, K & R |
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Dark (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-05-11 07:32 PM Response to Original message |
105. Why couldn't they have just used the codename "douchebag"? |
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Better Believe It (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-05-11 10:16 PM Response to Reply #105 |
117. Or cockroach. |
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peace4ever (434 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-05-11 07:35 PM Response to Original message |
107. Thank you sir |
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Quixote1818 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-05-11 07:43 PM Response to Original message |
108. K and R. Also, in hearings today New Mexico Senator Tom Udall |
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mckara (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-05-11 08:42 PM Response to Original message |
110. Why Not Give Us the History of Code Words, Also? |
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H2O Man (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-05-11 09:04 PM Response to Reply #110 |
112. Why not? |
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mckara (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-05-11 10:49 PM Response to Reply #112 |
119. The Code Word is Merely a Word |
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H2O Man (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-05-11 11:30 PM Response to Reply #119 |
120. Oh, deer! |
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myrna minx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-06-11 08:04 AM Response to Reply #120 |
130. Oh mercy - some of the reactions to your thread are priceless. n/t |
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Garbo 2004 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-07-11 04:21 PM Response to Reply #119 |
140. Quite a straw man ya got there. nt |
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Ignis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-05-11 09:01 PM Response to Original message |
111. K&R. Thanks for this post, H20 Man. |
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Honeycombe8 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-05-11 09:23 PM Response to Original message |
113. Good post. But the name has entered vernacular speech, meaning "charge!" or the like.. |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-05-11 09:33 PM Response to Original message |
115. Question is, how does the average person react to "Geranimo" --- |
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JonLP24 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-05-11 10:06 PM Response to Original message |
116. K&R |
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Awsi Dooger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-06-11 01:57 AM Response to Original message |
122. As a long time Las Vegas resident |
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JustABozoOnThisBus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-06-11 07:16 AM Response to Reply #122 |
129. As an occasional visitor to Las Vegas |
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BlancheSplanchnik (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-06-11 03:28 AM Response to Original message |
123. ....led by Prescott Bush... |
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tclambert (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-06-11 06:00 AM Response to Original message |
125. I object on security grounds. You shouldn't name an Op anything that gives a hint of its purpose. |
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Hubert Flottz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-06-11 06:43 AM Response to Original message |
126. So the Boners wanted a set of drinking skulls? |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-06-11 12:12 PM Response to Original message |
133. If you didn't catch this segment on Amy's show today, you might |
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2banon (794 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-07-11 03:03 PM Response to Original message |
134. this should be distributed far and wide |
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blondeatlast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-07-11 04:05 PM Response to Original message |
136. When I've unwittingly offended someone, I don't question their offense, |
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Garbo 2004 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-07-11 04:08 PM Response to Original message |
137. Harlyn Geronimo, Geronimo's great grandson, statement for Senate Indian Affairs hearing |
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U4ikLefty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-07-11 04:17 PM Response to Original message |
139. Should this have been "Martin Luther King" ??? |
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bobthedrummer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-11-11 02:22 PM Response to Original message |
141. bttt |
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mainer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-11-11 02:32 PM Response to Original message |
142. "Voldemort" would have been a better code name. |
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