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undergroundpanther Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-08-03 12:02 PM
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129. Wild
Tigers need a lot of space for thier territories .Humans and thier'civilization'take up alot of space too.
Humans have covered this planet,not just with themselves but with civilization and civilizations support systems.There are too many of us and this way of life we have is nuts.People have superstitions and delusions regarding animals as well as themselves.The colonial mindset has been a tragedy for Animals,the Earth,poor people,people of color,women,kids.

Tigers if released in the "wild",because of the way people are when they must compete to put food on the table or have a place to stay because of our hierarchical social order,our competitive societies,property and profit,have very little chance of making it without getting killed and sold.
As more people have more kids ,and do not take control of thier own reproduction and cling to myths like"be fruitful and multiply" the civilization and it's support systems expand to take care of people and empires..Profit drives people deep into the wild places..

Until we stop developing land to use it for human purposes,making farms,cities,suburbs,roads,to support more kids turned adults.until we voluntarily curb our greed for offspring, money and power.Until we get out of the 'consumer'/property/profit game.Until we accept that life feeds off death (and death is something humans will never control -like the envioronment in persuit of absolute 'safety')When we stop seeking immortality through monnuments,empires,'sucess',religion or progeny nothing will change for the tigers.The tigers will die because they don't share these human "values"..

Putting tigers onto a reserve to keep them safe from humans driven by profit is nessary because some humans don't care about other species if thier kids are hungry or there's money to be had.I mean folk medicine to get a boner to bring another male child in the world to carry on the patriarcial line,for immortality is so friggin vital to the ego.It looks important in the moment.Until humans put that ego away and quit chasing the dollar or power-over people we will do dumbshit like this when we think we are insulated from the consequences of our actions.

Does Exxon support tiger reserves because the tiger is thier corporate logo? Yep you bet that's a big unspoken motive for thier "caring".That's why they can carry oil omn ships in the seas because shores and oceans aren't as important to Exxon other than a tool to get thier products around.Shorebirds and seals don't relate to the corporate Ego trip of Exxon like tigers do.

I am glad a few people with money and power do stuff to help out tigers,(as in saving them from extinction anyway you can)I wish humans in general had more foresight,wisdom,empathy and self control.
But to me,because of the Tiger's desperate situuation,saving lives is saving lives and a ny life saved counts twords preservation of tigers..even if it is for a corporate ego game.I am glad another tiger lives.Maybe if humans grow up and give back to the Earth,or if they eradicate themselves,the tiger will outlive us because of those people who put in effort to save tigers.

It seems people won't often voluntarily empathize with what they seek to dominate,profit from,or use up until they are FORCED to care by circumstances that were never in thier control that hurt the human into awareness that goes beyond the ego or internecine human mind games that occupy civilized people most of the time.
Peta is right,The Tiger is right,but so is Roy.What is happening here isn't simple.
This problem is with our way of percieving in civilization and the way we live life itself .Our way of relation warps what we see,it's not just Sigfried and Roy's exploitation of tigers onstage thats the issue.

It is the fact they care about tigers in the way they know how to,which entails, educating the ignorant,removing fears,and funding reserves for tigers,and loving the tigers they live with.How do you come to terms with two very different aspects of relating to tigers in one person without either demonizing or rationalizing the exploitation,in a society that condones exploitation in it's very structures?

Remember there are lots of women and kids and other animals being exploited everyday .There are emotions being manipulated,loyalites being exploited,base cgharacter flaws being used to further agendas,people being ripped off, used,lied to,abused by people too.People suffer just like tigers do in captivity living under the sting of humiliation and service to'masters'.Kids in school suffer like caged tigers and they aren't permitted to pace when forced to sit at a desk and PAY attention to a boring 'lesson' from a schoolmaster and'perform' for grades and rewards..
When will we step out of our exploiting trips that color even how we think,to realize this has gotten us nowhere as a species we are in real danger, when we go on using,torturing,belittling and killing each other as well as any other species we can drag to destruction with us? For WHAT?? What is it that makes us so instatiable,ambitious,greedy,
arrogant,evasive,shortsighted homocidal and suicidal when acting as a species?

Why does notions of social equality and peace never happen in our species even though if you ask the average person,they say they desire it? What is it inside us that is getting in the way of right relationships with reality? Do large numbers of people have
Mental illness? Conduct disorders? Stockholm syndrome? Is it our collective persuit of certainty in an uncertain reality, is it delusions of immortality, is it our big rigidly structured brains,our sick civilization, the want of Money? the desire for Power-over making us behave this way? And the big question How do we teach ourselves how to stop destroying ,exploiting and dominating each other when we have to do this stuff to survive or thrive in this sick system that benifiets so little for so many.



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