Reply #168: those 14 are for another thread [View All]

the concept of triangulation and pandering is a separate issue than the concept of voting with the other side outright. I am expressing my view about the triangulation on this thread, where it is most appropriate.


"The game" I refer to is the "we need to protect the flag" game. We know the issue is complete bullshit, but some people are driven by fear and thus are compelled to treat it as a legitimate issue.

But the game is rigged because the republicans will ALWAYS be "better" on that issue, you can't out-Republican them. What you can do is call it out for its bullshit nature.

We CAN win elections, but we haven't been lately. See 2002. We win some special elections in 01, but couldn't do so on a large scale in 2002 because Dem senators were running ads showing how much they love Bush and worked with Bush. And Bush was telling people to vote against them. People thought "wow, even Dems love bush, I should listen to him and vote republican."

They controlled the issues. Instead of saying "the iraq war is a bad idea" the Dems said "we support it too, but not as hard core." The republicans, predictably were "better" on the issue they set up.

We need to define the issues and the debate. We CAN do that, so its not hopeless. I don't see where you get that from. We just haven't been. Hillary is doing the wrong thing by legitimizing the idea that the "flag needs to be protected."