Reply #87: The neoliberalism stinks in this thread... [View All]

"we" don't need to sort out anyone. Geesh, we can't even sort
ourselves out holding fair elections. We can't sort out fair
elections in pakistan, saudi arabia, jordan or egypt. What the heck
suggests we'll sort them out in iraq. Our occupation is wholly more
sinister.

We can steal oil and demand bases if we leave...so we'll stay. Any
government we leave in place will be a puppet... and soldiers will
keep dying.

THe military empire planners will not accept "no" bases in iraq, so
we will not leave an open remit to the UN, rather, like the soviet
union in east-germany after WW2, we're sticking around to loot the
country to pay for our righteous indignation.

Think of it on more personal terms. Are bases in iraq, or iraqi oil
worth your death and dismemberment at the hands of angry locals. If
not you, would you send your loved one for your great idealism.
Unless you are prepared to be tomorrows victem in this criminal war,
then the moral neoliberalism is really an empty hollow.

I suggest an altogether more complex plan. Support Kurdish national
independence, let the kurdish part of iraq separate, and establish
open relationships with the world as a new state. This would simply
be a policy "angle" on leaving iraq, as we pack up and go.

Kurdish independence, would put a spanner in the works of several
nation states that have done great genocidal evil, syria, turkey
and iran to repress kurds. The new state would open a whole issue
for those nations, and force them towards democracy and equal rights
for kurdish peoples.

With kurdistan out of the picture, the sunni/shiite issues of iraq
will be easier to settle as a UN nation building exercise after the
US has left. The supporting of a free kurdish state, would force
all nations in the middle east repressing minorities to think twice
as a new precedent would be set.

We should not stay in iraq one more day, but when we leave the bases,
the bribes and the oil contractors should go with us. If the new
nation invites them back in under civilian auspices, so be it.

As it stands, many y'all are simply saying to keep the bases and
leave. THis is occupation... and no government can be formed that
would survive democratic scrutiny given this strong arm ploy.

As long as you've got the tinyiest bit of emprire-thinking (as our
british allies are more than aware of) regarding iraq,
the "liberation" will be a disaster, like it was before and the time
before that.. (when the british liberated iraq).