Reply #134: The reasons these people left are [View All]

for all the reasons I read in these posts here since my original reply.

They could be a bit alarmist but on the whole their research and arguments for leaving are spot on in terms of detail and history (fascist history)

They revive the history of how hitler came to power, how he used the church to back him up. How he had everyone cheering him on while, behind their backs he was doing and planning nasty stuff. Happy, smiling, hip hip hooray, 'long live the furher--he's cleaning up the "immoral" aspects of our society and improving the economy..'

Get rid of those that are a drain on the society any way possible. Go out and conquor everything for the "Homeland/Fatherland".

Then these folks talk about things such as this patriot act and it's insidious tenticles. They talk about the Viet Nam era "Phoenix Program" where people are "disappeared"....sound familiar? They talk about how German Jews didn't believe anything would happen to them, for example. That there would be time to leave if it became necessary but THERE WASN'T ANY TIME AND THEY DIED.

These individuals are activists in politics. They are very adamant anti-NAFTA and all the rest. They also have other interests that I won't go into here and which I find a wee bit over the top.

In any case, they began making plans to leave the US about a year back. They made contacts with people in Canada and elsewhere, went to visit, bought property and then made year long preparations to leave. They began to close out accounts, pay up their bills, collect what they needed, quit their jobs, save their money, disconnect from all things unessential. The day came. They got a caravan together with all their belongings and their deed to the property in Canada. They took off driving day and almost every night. They tried to get through a border crossing less traveled but found it closed at the time of night they reached it. They had to go back and go through the main entry to Canada. There were two places they had to stop for inspections.

ALL they had were their drivers licenses and the deed to their property. They did not have a passport or immigration papers... they snuck in essentially....and almost didn't make it. They said there were black suited fellas there looking all menacing wanting to know what they were up to. They had children with them, they had a note for the children from their parents. They gave some song and dance about what they were up to but still had to wait for 3 HOURS while the border patrol grilled them. They were nervous. Finally, they were let in.................. According to these folks, they say they were just plain lucky. I mean there they were in the middle of the night with a U-haul and three vehicles, dogs, kids, furniture and NO PASSPORT but they didn't claim that they were going to live there permanently......very lucky. It freaked them out but they made it. Now they are going to, with discretion, make their journey and place a way for others to get out of USA if that's what others want to do.

These people were also worried about thier freedom of speech here. They have a website that flames this country. They say that canada, so far, is still lax in it's regulations regarding the internet.

Maybe they are paranoid, maybe not; in any case, they made it..they are gone.