Reply #21: Absolutely. Give the man his due. [View All]

It's muddied by the fact that he didn't have to stand up and be counted and that he would have backed some sort of U.N. mandated action, especially since the legislators who did vote for it were partially buffaloed by the assurances that the administration would do the same. We also don't know what staggering horseshit they saw from the administration behind closed doors to force their hand.

Having said that, though, he did stand up and make it an issue, and he did it when it was very unpopular.

Was there an element of calculation to it? Hell, there's an element of calculation to everything any of these folks do, and you wouldn't want it any other way. Zealotry and perfection have no place in politics at the Presidential level.

This was was so shockingly ugly and wrong that it will be looked down as the final loss of "goodness" of this country. This is a much more historical event than most of us realize, and it was ugly, wrong and stupid.