Reply #114: gee and you had the nerve to get mad when I said you didn't know what you [View All]

are talking about. For the record. Many, many, many treatment programs are not 12 step programs. The one I went to, for instance, which is one of only three in my area, was what is called relapse reduction. We were taught strategies to deal with relapses before they happened. Of the 75 hours (15 hours per week for 5 weeks) I spent in that program precisely 1 hour was about AA. Of the other two programs in my area one is twelve step and the other is relapse reduction (that is a 2 to 1 ratio if you are counting). It is absurd to say that even a majority of treatment centers are 12 step programs. There is a word for what you put in your post and it is ignorant. You are utterly ignorant of what treatment centers here do.

As to the fact that AA doesn't get involved with public issues, well duh. Sorry, but people, even those whose experience is similar often have different viewpoints. AA couldn't possibly speak with one voice about the economic and other problems of alcoholism. That is for each member to decide what to or not to do. Many, many, many of those oh so evil twelve steppers work their asses off helping people in jails, treatment centers, and the community at large with precisely those things. Again, something you chose to be willfully ignorant of.

Finally, no one in AA claims that it works for everyone of that all failures are the fault of only that person. AA can't make people do things they have to do them themselves. But we do count them as not making it and do not ignore them when we count people suceeding.