Reply #29: It IS a rotten apple LIE [View All]

Sandsea, did you ever spend a day in the military? Do you not realize the disparity in the ranks of the "culprits"? There is NO way the problem was 1 NCO and 5 of the lowest ranks in the Army. It takes quite a stunning leap of logic for the Army to jump from a poor Staff Sergeant straight to a Brigadier General.

Where are the officers and Senior NCOs who were supervising when this took place:


Breaking chemical lights and pouring the phosphoric liquid on detainees; pouring cold water on naked detainees; beating detainees with a broom handle and a chair; threatening male detainees with rape; allowing a military police guard to stitch the wound of a detainee who was injured after being slammed against the wall in his cell; sodomizing a detainee with a chemical light and perhaps a broom stick, and using military working dogs to frighten and intimidate detainees with threats of attack, and in one instance actually biting a detainee.

http://www.newyorker.com/fact/content/?040510fa_fact

Note the names of the sacrificial lambs:

Six suspects— ALL low on the totem pole! VERY LOW.

- Staff Sergeant Ivan L. Frederick II
- Specialist Charles A. Graner
- Sergeant Javal Davis
- Specialist Megan Ambuhl
- Specialist Sabrina Harman
- Private Jeremy Sivits
- Private Lynndie England

http://www.newyorker.com/fact/content/?040510fa_fact

Ask yourself where these people are:

SFC Snider grabbed my prisoner and threw him into a pile.

The military-intelligence officers have “encouraged and told us, ‘Great job,’ <<NAMES PLEASE>>

“CID has been present when the military working dogs were used to intimidate prisoners at MI’s request.” <<NAMES PLEASE>>

At one point, Frederick told his family, he pulled aside his superior officer, Lieutenant Colonel Jerry Phillabaum, the commander of the 320th M.P. Battalion, and asked about the mistreatment of prisoners. “His reply was ‘Don’t worry about it.’”

“They stressed him out so bad that the man passed away. They put his body in a body bag and packed him in ice for approximately twenty-four hours in the shower. . . . The next day the medics came and put his body on a stretcher, placed a fake IV in his arm and took him away.” <<NAMES PLEASE>>

http://www.newyorker.com/fact/content/?040510fa_fact


I told the battalion commander that I didn't like the way it was going and his reply was 'Don't worry about it. I give you permission to do it'. Where is Lieutenant Colonel Jerry Phillabaum, the commander of the 320th M.P. Battalion?

From the report:
personnel assigned to the 372nd MP Company, 800th MP Brigade were directed to change facility procedures to ‘set the conditions’ for MI interrogations.” Army intelligence officers, C.I.A. agents, and private contractors “actively requested that MP guards set physical and mental conditions for favorable interrogation of witnesses.” <<NAMES PLEASE>>

“I witnessed prisoners in the MI hold section . . . being made to do various things that I would question morally. . . . We were told that they had different rules.” <<NAMES PLEASE>>


Colonel Thomas Pappas, the commander of one of the M.I. brigades
Lieutenant Colonel Steven Jordan, the former director of the Joint Interrogation and Debriefing Center,
civilian contractor, Steven Stephanowicz, of CACI International,
a second CACI employee, John Israel.

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I am going to have to say BRAVO to Frederick's JAG officer & civilian attorney for summing it up beautifully.

Captain Robert Shuck, Frederick’s military attorney, closed his defense at the Article 32 hearing last month by saying that the Army was “attempting to have these six soldiers atone for its sins.” Similarly, Gary Myers, Frederick’s civilian attorney, told me that he would argue at the court-martial that culpability in the case extended far beyond his client. “I’m going to drag every involved intelligence officer and civilian contractor I can find into court,” he said. “Do you really believe the Army relieved a general officer because of six soldiers? Not a chance.”

http://www.newyorker.com/fact/content/?040510fa_fact



“Do you really think a group of kids from rural Virginia decided to do this on their own? Decided that the best way to embarrass Arabs and make them talk was to have them walk around nude?”

VolcanoJen is absolutely correct this whole bit about Rotten Apples is a ROTTEN LIE.

This is the equivalent of teaching 4 year olds how to operate lighters to torment animals, giggle as they do it, and then blame them for burning the house down.

Those Reservist lower enlisted soldiers and the token General are sacrificial lambs for a systemic problem nobody wants discussed and that very few have ANY intention of cleaning up.