Reply #12: Yes, but you sill cannot use this with [View All]

Middle Muricans, have tried and alienated good Muricans.

This is a matter of strategy

Now folks they are fallling on their swords and I do not care how you try to put it, as a specialist in WW II and the Holocaust this has not yet risen to that level. Are we close? Damn straight...

That is why the elections in November are so critical and I suspect, don't ask why I say this, but Junior will not reach the election in November, it is a nasty gut feeling, there are differences from Germany in '33, even survivors who have been paying attention have said this... and I mean camp survivors.

Are we in danger of Bergen Belsen and Treblynka, where fifty of my relatives died, you betcha... but remember in 1934 there was not this much resistance... and I thank this to the World Wide Web

Now have they commited War Crimes, absoloutely

Crimes against Peace? You betcha

Crimes against Humanity, HELL YES

In fact here are the sumary indictments from the IMT...



The Avalon Project : Indictment : Count One

Short version the Common Plan or Conspiracy, when you read it, replace PNAC for NAZI, and yes it saddnes me to put this up... but again, realize you cannot use Nazi, not with everyday Muricans.

III. Statement of the Offense
All the defendants, with divers other persons, during a period of years preceding 8 May 1945, participated as leaders, organizers, instigators, or accomplices in the formulation or execution of a common plan or conspiracy to commit, or which involved the commission of, Crimes against Peace, War Crimes, and Crimes against Humanity, as defined in the Charter of this Tribunal, and, in accordance with the provisions of the Charter, are individually responsible for their own acts and for all acts committed by any persons in the execution of such plan or conspiracy. The common plan or conspiracy embraced the commission of Crimes against Peace, in that the defendants planned, prepared, initiated, and waged wars of aggression, which were also wars in violation of international treaties, agreements, or assurances. In the development and course of the common plan or conspiracy it came to embrace the commission of War Crimes, in that it contemplated, and the defendants determined upon and carried out, ruthless wars against countries and populations, in violation of the rules and customs of war, including as typical and systematic means by which the wars were prosecuted, murder, ill-treatment, deportation for slave labor and for other purposes of civilian populations of occupied territories, murder and ill-treatment of prisoners of war and of persons on the high seas, the taking and killing of hostages, the plunder of public and private property, the indiscriminate destruction of cities, towns, and villages, and devastation not justified by military necessity. The common plan or conspiracy contemplated and came to embrace as typical and systematic means, and the defendants determined upon and committed, Crimes against Humanity, both within Germany and within occupied territories, including murder, extermination, enslavement, deportation, and other inhumane acts committed against civilian populations before and during the war, and persecutions on political, racial, or religious grounds, in execution of the plan for preparing and prosecuting aggressive or illegal wars, many of such acts and persecutions being violations of the domestic laws of the countries where perpetrated.


Count Two Crimes against Peace
The Avalon Project : Indictment : Count Two

V. Statement of the Offense
All the defendants with divers other persons, during a period of years preceding 8 May 1945, participated in the planning, preparation, initiation, and waging of wars of aggression, which were also wars in violation of international treaties, agreements, and assurances.


Count Three: War Crimes

The Avalon Project : Indictment : Count Three


All the defendants, acting in concert with others, formulated and executed a Common Plan or Conspiracy to commit War Crimes as defined in Article 6 (b) of the Charter. This plan involved, among other things, the practice of "total war" including methods of combat and of military occupation in direct conflict with the laws and customs of war, and the commission of crimes perpetrated on the field of battle during encounters with enemy armies, and against prisoners of war, and in occupied territories against the civilian population of such territories.

(Remember Rummy's statement that the Geneva Convention was now quaint and that detainees had no rights? Yes you do)

Count Four, Crimes Against Humanity


The Avalon Project : Indictment : Count Four

This plan involved, among other things, the murder and persecution of all who were or who were suspected of being hostile to the Nazi Party and all who were or who were suspected of being opposed to the common plan alleged in Count One.