Reply #113: Did you read your own post? [View All]

You wrote, "No mention of alcohol or drugs, no mention of antisocial personality."


Then this from your link:

Other factors that can help predict homicide are an abuser’s heavy use of alcohol and illicit drugs, a history of sexual jealousy, growing up in a violent home, violence and verbal abuse, an age disparity with the husband being significantly older, a threat of separation by the woman, and antisocial personality and/or an overly dependent personality, stalking and access to firearms. Threats of use of a weapon were common in these cases.

Risks for murder-suicide, specifically, are: the man being white and older than the woman, being married, a pattern of pathological jealousy, a history of battering, depression and suicidal ideation, and a threat of separation. The key distinguishing factor between this and the more usual form of domestic homicide is the presence of depression and suicidal ideation.

Your own link says the key difference in domestic homicides and domestic murder/suicides is depression. Since suicide ideation is often a symptom of severe clinical depression it's not really material to say that it's a factor. It's ridiculous that you would say this post is only about murder-suicide. Why did you include the above information about domestic homicide in your post if the discussion was so narrowly focused?

You do realize this discussion has been about people who are using anti-depressants right? Those would be people being treated for depression. It is unlikely that people with the above characteristics are very compliant with treatment. I would like to know what other rights you and rdenney are willing to strip from the depressed?

You do realize that your search of a few seconds on google followed by a posting here doesn't make, the link you provided or you, the sole authority on this subject. It is difficult to get accurate diagnoses of people involved in murder/suicides after the fact (dead people rarely provide accurate interviews). I would think that would be obvious. It should also be obvious to anyone with half a brain that people, who heavily use alcohol and illicit drugs, have a history of sexual jealousy, grew up in a violent home, have a history of violence and verbal abuse and anti-social personalities, make poor clinical subjects for study. These factors should lead rational people to be skeptical about definitive research into this topic.

As to your characterizations of me, I consider people with depression to be just as valuable as other members of society. If you and rdenney don't feel that way ,that's your business, but to say that somehow shows an utter insouciance about the well being of the people on my part is an asinine statement. Your lack of concern about the safety of women and their ability to defend themselves often leaves me questioning whether or not you have been a victim, but I don't think it's polite to cast dispersions based on pure speculation, since you are a member of DU I choose to take you at your word. The simple fact is I deal with far more people suffering from depression than I deal with murder/suicides or attempted murder/suicide. I know how to take care of those people it's called trauma care. To be blunt when someone is bleeding to death, I could care less about their specific domestic situation, they need to have their bleeding stopped. I try to be sensitive to those issues but they are far from my top concern. If that causes you to question my line of work then you don't know many emergency workers in any field.


David