Reply #35: So the list means nothing ? [View All]

Acadians, Armenians, Assyrians, Tamils fuck them ? never been persecuted in thousands, hundreds of years ?
The Gypsies have a case that reminds vey much of the Jewish. And all the Gnostic Christian enclaves in the Muslim world ? the Copts ? fuck them ? they don't exist... The Jewish persecution though history is a fact but it doesn't differ from other persecutions except on one point : the holocaust which in magnitude was one of the biggest ever (but not the only one).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genocides_in_history

My point was only that persecutions and genocides of other people through history haven't resulted into a return
to a "homeland" by force and motivated it. I can agree that in this case Israel is rather unique. Which can be explained by a combination of events.

what the fuck has 9/11 to do with that story ?

I am very aware that the "Protocol of the Elders of Zion" is a an anti-semitic forgery and I never quoted it. Why then bring it to discussion ? Is it possible AT ALL to have questions about Israels "historical right to exist" from a philosophical, moral and historical point of view without being automatically under suspicion to be an anti-semite ?

The solution to the actual conflict in Palestine would be of course to merge both communities in a single secular nation. Which would be the only real fair solution. But as long there are people from the both sides claiming an historical-religious right to at least part of the land, the chances of success are very few.

And is that definition from Wkipedia wrong ?

"While Zionism is based heavily upon religious tradition linking the Jewish people to the Land of Israel, the modern movement was originally secular, beginning largely as a response to rampant antisemitism in late 19th century Europe. It was the Jewish answer to the Eastern European, mainly Russian Pogroms."

I just stated that religious motives are very important in the identity of Israel, that the historical motive ("we were there first") is a very dubious motive and that the Palestinians could exactly say the same thing.
Which they do by the way. So why should one side be more "right" than the other ?