Reply #145: I thought the Nazis destroyed most of their meticulous records... [View All]

..and it was more the case of most of the records were destroyed, but some survived. That's why there's no more a precise number for the victims of the second stage of the Holocaust than there was for the first stage. I thought it was a mixture of getting the statistics from relatives, survivors, deportation lists from occupied Europe, and in the case of Jewish victims as well, assessing the pre-1941 population figures with the figures at the end of the war. http://www.mtsu.edu/~baustin/jewvicts.html

From what I remember, historians tend to agree that the figures are between 5-6 million Jewish victims, between 2 and 4 million Soviet troops, around 2 million non-Jewish Poles, and a bunch more that I can't recall off the top of my head. When it comes to Jewish figures, anything below 1 million is not legitimate. There's just way too much factual evidence to show it's a nonsensical number, and I think personally that when a claim of under a million is coupled with claims like ones that there really wasn't an attempt by the Nazis to exterminate European Jewry, that's when the warning bells go off that there's Holocaust Denial on the loose - another warning signal is that they falsely call themselves historical revisionists...

Here's a link to an essay on Holocaust 'revisionism'...


"Revisionism" is obliged to deviate from the standard methodology of historical pursuit because it seeks to mold facts to fit a preconceived result, it denies events that have been objectively and empirically proved to have occurred, and because it works backward from the conclusion to the facts, thus necessitating the distortion and manipulation of those facts where they differ from the preordained conclusion (which they almost always do). In short, "revisionism" denies something that demonstrably happened, through methodological dishonesty."

http://veritas3.holocaust-history.org/revisionism-isnt/

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