Reply #17: the argument's lost before it begins... [View All]

You're totally correct: he's letting them win the argument at the outset by accepting that their claim is itself factual. The claim is itself a lie, as you said: the world's people aren't trying to come here. Yes, a lot of Mexicans because, no matter how bad it gets here, as long as someone feels they have a better shot at getting a job and being able to survive in the US than in Mexico, he'll cross the border. Furthermore, if Mexico bordered Canada instead of the US, they'd be immigrated into Canada--they're only concern is that they're going to someplace better than where they are.

The actual number of immigrants has been going down drastically, if I'm not mistaken. I do know for a fact, though, that universities are having a harder time getting foreign students (they still get a huge amount, of course, but not what it used to be) due in small part to dislike of the US, but in large part due to the increased massive hurdles that prospective students must jump in order to get into the country, and fewer are believing it's worth it (which itself, while perhaps not indicating true dislike of the US, at least indicates that there's a limit to the appeal the US has for those students).

The argument from the RWers is nothing more than "If we're so hated, why are we so loved?" The question assumes that we are loved and deals only with "why" we are, so by even answering the question, you are accepting the RWer's claim that we are universally loved, which means you've already let the RWer win.