Reply #14: OK, I'll ask you about the issues you mentioned... [View All]

1)Abortion. Are you mad because Kunicich used to be anti-choice or because he is now pro-choice?
Kucinich just can't win with people on that one.
2)The Department of Peace is "Orwellian"? You can't accept that Kucinich might support such a thing(which, btw, Kucinich did not originate)simply because he might actually think it would help advance the cause of peace? What harm does it do to have a branch of the government working as hard to stop war as the Pentagon and the State Department work to cause it?

3)"The Complete Evisceration of our Troops"? Excuse me, but this administration is causing the evisceration, amputation, castration, decapitation and expiration of thousands of our troops in what everyone, including yourself, now knows is a pointless fight in Iraq. Kucinich isn't eviscerating anybody.
He wants the troops home, and home alive and in one piece. Why on earth should that offend you.
And even if all of Kucinich's proposed cuts in the death budget went through, we'd still have a massively obscene war machine that could slaughter everyone on the planet many times over. Even YOU should feel secure with that. Besides, no good has come of the massive U.S. war buildup since 1980 and there's no reason for Democrats to defend it. Nothing the Pentagon did with a single penny of taxpayer money stopped 9/11, for example.

4)Dennis saved the people of Cleveland hundreds of millions of dollars by not allowing the electric utility to be privatized. If THAT's mismanagement, we need more of it. Any other problems in municipal government during Kucinich's tenure were largely caused by corporate power retailiating for his success in stopping them from fleecing the city's ratepayers.

5)SHOWBOATING in 2004? The guy was running for president. The party leaders had already decided to lose by forcing the party to nominate John Kerry. What alternative did Dennis have besides trying whatever methods he could use to get attention?

6)The Goebbels thing is beneath even your dignity. There was nothing Kucinich did or said in that speech that was remotely similar to a call for Naziism. You should do the decent thing and retract it.

And I'm a meateater who doesn't believe in crystal power too. You can't pigeonhole every Kucinich supporter into your smug little cultural stereotype.

What messages do we send if we reject Kucinich?

We send these messages:

1)Principle is nothing.
2)Those who speak up against injustice and an insane war have no place in the Democratic party.
3)The poor and the workers don't matter in this party-only smug cynical life-hating white suburbanites like yourself.
4)The party should be controlled by no one but big donors and Beltway hacks
5)The party should mock anyone who wants peace and should eternally lower itself to the pro-slaughter worldview of Scoop Jackson.
6)The party should be just as much a party of exclusion as the GOP.

Do you really WANT a party like that? Especially since a party like that couldn't be electable and couldn't be WORTH electing if it was?

Anyway, I've proven there's nothing cultish about calling my candidate by his first name, so I'll try to sign off now.

If you're the sort of person who supports a candidate that cares more about the profits of the credit card industry than he does about the economic well-being of working Americans who are victimized by the credit card industry(as you would be as a Biden supporter)you aren't really that much of a Democrat anyway. Or you're the support that is only loyal to the Democratic Party if it only listens to people who right big checks and agree with you on the need for the country to have TWO conservative militarist parties.