Cuyahoga County Precincts - Revised!
http://pages.ivillage.com/americans4america/id20.htmlAreas for possible investigation by media
These have not been investigated by the web author.
These points seem worthy of investigation.
Please refer to the Evidence and FACTS pages for information on exit polls versus reported numbers; democrats who reportedly vote republican; voter suppression; and other issues that have made this past election so hotly debated.
Do remember, glitches HAVE been found and proven. Such as Franklin County, dropped votes because machines couldn't handle such large numbers, exit polls being so wrong for the first time in history - surprisingly more incorrect in key states, and other important issues (as noted above) that still require attention.
This isn't so much about who won (for me at least), but rather about the questionable process of voting (computers, op-scanners, etc) we are using and the lack of voter rights (intimidation, long lines (people have to work still), not having a paper trail in many areas).
I have run the numbers with the new information and the totals check out. The sum of ballots cast plus the absentees does total to the number they reported to the state. There are a few inconsistencies, which I will discuss with the county to find an answer. Once I do, I will update this site to let you know I have done so. 11/15/2004
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Revised data coming soon for select precincts/cities.
Answers to common questions below absentee ballot explanation.
Finally, an explanation that hopefully will make sense to all... this is what I was trying to explain visually - hopefully this makes more sense! Thanks for the help!
The "ballots cast" numbers are inflated due to the software that groups cities or wards that share the same ballot grouping or ballot combination.
For example, Bay Village is in the 10th congressional district, the 16th house district, and the 24th state senate district. 10/16/24 is what is known as a ballot grouping or ballot combination. In even-numbered years, Cuyahoga County's BOE software counts votes by these ballot groupings.
In that ballot grouping are the communities that share the same 10/16/24 designation. That includes cities like Rocky River, Westlake, Fairview Park, and North Olmsted.
So the total ballots cast for Bay Village takes the actual number of ballots cast, plus all the absentee ballots that were cast from those other communities belonging to the 10/16/24 grouping. That's why "ballots cast" is so high.
The software throws in every absentee ballot for that particular 10/16/24 grouping in every community that is part of the grouping. That explains why when you also look at Rocky River, Westlake, Fairview Park, and North Olmsted, the number of" ballots cast" in those cities exceeds "registered" voters as well. (Only Westlake's isn't higher - but it is 25,000 to 25,000).
The reason the numbers are inflated under "Ballots cast" is because the number for Bay Village includes the absentee ballots cast in Bay Village, Rocky River, Westlake and North Olmsted.
Ok - this is the visual. I apologize for any anxiety that went along with these numbers.
Below is a picture of my understanding gained from talking directly to the county in question. This is not an actual picture of the county and is merely for explanation purpose ONLY.
The pink/purple section would represent one absentee ballot total - which is thus added into precincts 1 through 3. The orange section would represent another absentee ballot total - which is thus added into precincts 4 through 7. And the yellow section yet another absentee ballot area - which is thus added to precincts 8-11. The actual ballots cast on election day are not the only numbers represented on the county website (
http://boe.cuyahogacounty.us/BOE/results/currentresults1.htm), but also include absentee ballots for more than that one precinct - inflating the numbers beyond the total registered for that precinct. Though they are only "counted" once for the final county reported numbers.
This is merely an example - NOT an actual image of ANY county or precinct
However, in the summary report (
http://boe.cuyahogacounty.us/BOE/results/history/2004/EL52.TXT) the absentee ballot data is separate from the precinct data. In using the intial page summary (see link 1 below), where I got the intial data for the prior spreadsheet on this page, it appears there are too many votes since the absentee ballot issue is not clearly explained on link 1, nor reflected in the data presented on that page. However, using the summary report (link 2), the numbers seem much clearer, so far. I was assured that the reported total for Cuyahoga County only added in the absentee numbers once. I have faith that the numbers are correct - they may not be - but time and tabulations will tell.
I hope that clears up most of the misunderstandings.
My sincere apologies - thank you to those who question the data - you are the ones who keep us credible. Don't stop doing so - and keep looking at the data - but learn from my mistake (yes, I'm human and fallible) and contact the county election board if you have questions about the data you're using and/or find something that doesn't seem right.
I will post on this site the new data that I checked (from someone who submitted their data). I just have to check with the county on a few things first.
Common Questions:
Why are the same absentee ballots counted in different precincts? Well, the short answer - they aren't. See the above figure and the preceding explanation in blue. The same numbers are reflected in different precincts, but are only counted once for the official total.
Does this include provisionals? Considering Ohio State has a law whereby provisionals are not counted until 10 days post-election, the logical answer would be no, but this has not been verified with the county election board.
Why would absentee ballots for more than one precinct inflate the total number of ballots cast (by literally thousands) beyond the number of registered voters? Absentee voters must be registered as well. Yes they must, and they are, otherwise they wouldn't have received an absentee ballot. However, absentee ballots only seem to inflate the numbers on the main page, not the 2000+ page summary or the reported total. This is how the confusion occurred to begin with. The front page is not clear about the absentee ballot issue. I was reassured that these absentee ballots are only totaled in once for the final count.
I'm done running data, just need to check with the county on a few things, so please be patient.
If you wish to play with the numbers, here are some useful links:
1. Original Source Used - Do not use this for data analysis! Misleading reporting on this link.
http://boe.cuyahogacounty.us/BOE/results/currentresults1.htm 2. Ward and Precinct Vote Totals - Use this for your data analysis. You can find totals for registered voters here (top of report) and ballots cast (toward page 165 and beyond)
http://boe.cuyahogacounty.us/BOE/results/history/2004/EL52.TXT 3. Additional Data
http://boe.cuyahogacounty.us/BOE/results/EL45.txt email feedback and additional information to:
nohometown@yahoo.com
All links and information herein contained have been provided through online research by concerned citizens of the USA and other countries.
It is not the intention of the web editor to deface any party, person, or group of persons - it is the author's intention to be sure that democracy is reliable. Since and prior to November 2, 2004, there has been evidence that our democracy is NOT reliable (e.g. computer "glitches", voting irregularities, voter suppression).
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