Reply #37: Fascinating thread! Kick! Some interesting polls today [View All]

I studied Constitutional law in college and I LOVE THE CONSTITUTION! It is such a brilliant piece of work (except for the Electoral College).

How to establish legitimacy. How to keep bastards from getting control of everything. Boy, did that know their stuff!

And when all else fails: Revolution! --to RE-establish legitimacy (according to Jefferson, that laser-like spirit--but not to be found in the Constitution) (--except in the sense that voting is a revolution).

Like Hitler, these bastards have invaded, twisted, shredded, disemboweled and jackbooted the law to their ends, and will continue to do so. That's a given. It doesn't matter one whit to THEM whether the election was legitimate or not, nor what the Constitution or any law says about it. They deliberately, methodically, and with several years of forethought, PLANNED to steal this election, SET UP the mechanisms to do so (electronic voting, no paper trail, secret source code), created a distraction in Ohio (a distraction that has turned out to be their "Achilles heel"), and went right ahead and manufactured votes for Bush (and stole votes from Kerry) all over the bloody country.

And the only ground to fight them on--the only thing that still seems to concern them--is public perception.

Here is what the opinion polls say today, and it's very interesting:

--57% of those polled oppose the Iraq war!

--49% of those polled approve of Geo. Bush (approval rating in the toilet--after a supposed "mandate" on Nov.2)

--about 20% think the election was rigged, the rest think it was fair and square.

So, we have our work cut out for us (as do Conyers, Kerry & Co.). We have a President without a "mandate," whom more than half the country feels is doing a lousy job, and with way more than half the country disapproving of his war policy, but hardly anyone in the country (except us 20% diehards) suspects the real reason for this extremely odd circumstance: that he WASN'T elected!

IF we can zero in on this strange fact (no "mandate" but somehow still in power), and APPRISE the populace (especially Kerry voters, the majority) WHY this is so, then we are on the road to restoring our democracy, no matter how much they further twist and jackboot the law.

We're in a power game, for sure, with a lot of backroom players (as IndyOp says--the "realms of influence" about which we know very little). (I also agree with IndyOp that power rests entirely with the Congress on certifying Presidential Electors--basically, they can do anything they want, even throw out the whole election and elect the President themselves.)

In those "realms of influence," there are likely some players on the wrong side who, a) might want to dump this enormous Bush Inc. mess (Iraq, nuked economy, etc.) on Kerry and the Dems, destroy the Dems with it, and make a comeback in '08 (with some Reaganesque "Silent Majority" type figure--say the Gropenator); b) despise Bush Inc., want power for themselves; or c) actually have the good of the country (or at least the good of the Republican Party) in mind.

Who knows what they will do? (Rigged elections wouldn't bother them in the least, but the falling dollar would.) (I've always wondered why these types supported the Nixon impeachment. Still wondering about it...)

The "realms of influence" likely also includes some players on the right side, who simply want justice--believers in democracy--or at least want things to be more or less on the up and up. They must have a lot on their minds these days.

And the visible parties--the Democrats--are caught in the middle, some protecting their fiefdoms (which they think won't fall in the fascist onslaught to come), and the real and true representatives of the people (maybe more than we think) who have had it with the Bushites, and who believe in good government and sharing the wealth.

The former will blow with the wind. And upon the latter rests the burden of alerting, informing and mobilizing the populace.

Let them worry about the niceties of election law. (Although they blew it with electronic voting, secret source code, Wally O'Dell, etc.), I think they're aware of that now, and know they MUST redeem themselves). But the law doesn't much matter (as it once did in the U.S. of A.). Whatever Bush's illegitimately elected Congressional majority does with this, the TRUTH is that the election was stolen.

And once the people whose votes were stolen grok what happened, it's all over for Bush and the neocons. They have no "mandate" (that's what the polls show). They have no real friends (and lots of enemies). They have nothing to fall back on except raw power (which I don't think others in the "realms of influence" will sit still for). (Or "black ops"--always a possibility with these people...)

What we're really looking at here is a Greek tragedy, with hubris as the key element. Arrogance. Overreaching. "The Gods" really frown on hubris.