Reply #51: I think the consensus is that Kerry won about 52% to 47% [View All]

if the machines hadn't skewed the votes. The other shenanigans added to the skewing, but the machines alone could have done it and they certainly IMHO were responsible for Kerry's loss. He was a fine candidate and wd have made a fine president, even better than Gore possibly. Who knows? Anyway, I don't think there's any doubt looking at the exit polls, which were certainly a more accurate indicator of the votes than the machine count, that Kerry won handily.

The thing that irks me is all these conclusions that the pundits draw from the supposed Bush victory. The majority of the American people did not vote for *, not this time, not last time, not in the future. But if the machines are not cleaned up, the Dems will continue to lose reps and senators and the next election will go to whatever goon the Repubs put up to run.

DEMAND A VOTER-VERIFIED PAPER BALLOT AND AUDITS FOR ALL ELECTIONS.