Reply #17: From American Atheist site... [View All]

"Atheism is the lack of belief in a deity, which implies that nothing exists but natural phenomena (matter), that thought is a property or function of matter, and that death irreversibly and totally terminates individual organic units. This definition means that there are no forces, phenomena, or entities which exist outside of or apart from physical nature, or which transcend nature, or are “super” natural, nor can there be. Humankind is on its own."

Note the bold part (my emphasis): "This definition means that there are no forces, phenomena, or entities which exist outside of or apart from physical nature..."

This does not "we don't know if there are or aren't..." This doesn't say "we believe there are not..." This says, and I quote "THERE ARE NO ...etc." This asserts bluntly and unambiguously a belief that no god or gods exist, and goes on to assert that not only is there no god, but "nor can there be":

http://www.atheists.org/atheism

And if that isn't enough, read article after article on that same site and see just how often and how positively they declare exactly what it is that I said they declare and that you deny that they declare. They say it over and over in paper after paper and article after article. TO claim thye don't say exactly what they do say is going to be a difficult position to defend.

Don't get me wrong. I think they are probably right in their opinion, but I don't think they are justified in calling their opinion a fact. Now if they said that the biblical Judeo-Christian version of God does not exist, then I could support that wholeheartedly. That is such an absurd concept that such a God certainly does not exist. (But that's just my opinion too.)