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Meldread Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-06-05 10:43 PM
Response to Reply #15
17. No, not exactly.
A theist who asserts that their claims are correct and absolute, then eventually admits that their claims cannot be proven, becomes an Agnostic Theist. Once the argument leaves the realm of fallacy and emotion and enters the realm of logic that is the inevitable conclusion. No one can prove that God does exist, but at the same time they can believe in his existence.

It is the difference between blind faith and implicit faith. Blind faith requires one to believe something unconditionally and has no room for doubt. Implicit faith is the believe that something is true, based on the conclusion the person has come to, while at the same time leaving the door open for doubt.

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Yes, from a Theists point of view an Atheist is irrational. That is because the Atheist is also arguing from a fallacious standpoint. (See Argument from ignorance.)

Any argument engaged in by a strong Theist and a strong Atheist will always end in a circular argument. The circular argument can only end when one side admits that the other side might be correct, therefore forcing the other side to prove their claims. In attempting to prove their claim they will realize that their claims cannot be proven with absolute certainty. It cannot be proven with absolute certainty because it is based off a fallacy in logic, which forces them to doubt their original claim.

That DOES NOT mean a Theist suddenly becomes an Atheist or an Atheist suddenly becomes a Theist, only that they are forced to acknowledge that their argument can never be proven. The Theist then becomes an Agnostic Theist and the Atheist then becomes the Agnostic Atheist.
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