"*You* need to post something to support *your* claim that all the issues in implementing gay equality in the military have been resolved.-sandsea"Here is what I said, just prior to your reply.
Odd how you misread the words, it must be an honest mistake on your part.
"*your* claim that all the issues in implementing gay equality in the military have been resolved."-snsDo you see what it actually says in my reply?
"Pass a law repealing DADT there are many frameworks out there.-bd12"
No where
does it say, as you misquoted me, "
that all the issues in implementing gay equality in the military have been resolved."bluedawg12 (1000+ posts) Mon May-11-09 04:17 AM
Response to Reply #116
117. Uh yeah, they wrote that in 1993. Pass a law repealing DADT there are many frameworks out there.
See. No need to reinvent the wheel with more "early deliberations." No need to panic.
Please let me know if you want more do more of your research work for you, it does take some effort. Perhaps it's the fact that 1993 seems like yesterday to you, or is 1993 "overnight" in Gay Years?
Thus, you equate it with wanting change "overnight?"
Because overnight is your phrase. :)
sandnsea (1000+ posts) Sun May-10-09 10:08 PM
Response to Reply #39
45. What is it about "it will take time" that you can't hear?
That's what I said. I agree that it will take time and cannot be done over night. Now, here are a few of the questions you claimed early in this thread that needed to be answered.
I pointed out that this issue has been studied for over a decade and a half and continues to be studied.
As an example I posted a monograph, yours for a few dollars and it will provide you with many of the details that early in this thread you were so anxious to point out needed to be examined.
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sandnsea
The military has rules about male-female relationships
They'll have to go through everything and rewrite for same sex relationships.
They may want to decide about living arrangements, transgender, a whole host of issues.
Women have a difficult time getting harrassment rules enforced.
It'll be even more difficult with harrassment of homosexuals, along with the array of complaints against homosexual "passes".
They do have things that will have to be worked out before they repeal DADT.
It's the military, there are two wars on, we can't just make it up as we go.
Clearly there are NO regulations in place regarding anything related to homosexuals in service because they get investigated and discharged.
What's the protocol for discrimination against gays?
How is it defined?
What's the protocol for legitimate sexual harrassment complaints?
Rape?
False rape claims?
Transgender?
And what about when it's not rape, but someone claims it is?
What about false claims?
Retributions?
All of this stuff is going to happen.
http://www.rand.org/pubs/monograph_reports/MR323/index.... Sexual Orientation and U.S. Military Personnel Policy
1993
Chapter One:
Sexual Orientation and U.S. Military Personnel Policy: Policy Options and Assessment — Study Overview PDF
Chapter Two:
Sexual Orientation and Sexual Behavior PDF
Chapter Three:
Analogous Experience of Foreign Military Services PDF
Chapter Four:
Analogous Experience of Domestic Police and Fire Departments PDF
Chapter Five:
Potential Insights from Analogous Situations: Integrating Blacks into the U.S. Military PDF
Chapter Six:
Relevant Public Opinion PDF
Chapter Seven:
Relevant Military Opinion PDF
Chapter Eight:
Issues of Concern: Effect of Allowing Homosexuals to Serve in the Military on the Prevalence of HIV/AIDS PDF
Chapter Nine:
Issues of Concern: Anti-Homosexual Violence PDF
Chapter Ten:
What Is Known About Unit Cohesion and Military Performance PDF
Chapter Eleven:
Sexual Orientation and the Military: Some Legal Considerations PDF
Chapter Twelve:
Implementing Policy Change in Large Organizations PDF
Chapter Thirteen:
Potential Effects on Military Recruitment and Retention PDF
Appendix A:
Illustrative Standard of Professional Conduct PDF
Appendix B:
Living and Privacy Conditions in the Military Service PDF
Appendix C:
Legal Provisions Concerning Sodomy PDF
Appendix D:
Attitudes About Homosexuality and Military Service in Canada, the United Kingdom, and the United States PDF
Appendix E:
Relevant Canadian Regulations
Appendix F:
Relevant Data from Surveys PDF
Appendix G:
Los Angeles Times Poll PDF
Appendix H:
1992 Sociological Survey of the Army PDF
Appendix I:
State Restrictions on Sodomy PDF
Bibliography
*I* don't need to do any of the research to support my claims because you did it all for me.-sandnsea Final thought, don't kid yourself, I am not doing your research for you. I only note that I cannot seem to recall any research or facts in the threads posted by you, that I have read thus far.
I am doing research because it is of interest to me and it is hoped that it is of some value to friends and allies in and surrounding the GLBTQ community.
However, it is striking that one who claims to have the interest of the gay community at heart and is offering their advice so "liberally", that you appear to post only your opinions and a rather large amount of misinformation, such as your claim that this issue is in it's early stages of discovery. This goes to your credibility here.
But enough about you.
Keep watching I may do some more of your homework. :hi:
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