Reply #65: of course [View All]

I wouldn't argue otherwise about the founders. Did I say they were open border anarchists? And of course they "didn't believe that everyone within the borders of the US had all the rights listed in the Constitution." It is a ongoing battle for human rights and for the well being of the working class, as I said.

I did not claim that the Constitution could not be amended.

I agree that the "naturalization process is one that is determined by elected officials based on the will of the people." That is why we are debating this - to shape public opinion, the will of the people. However, you contradict yourself - first saying the the government has rights, and then saying the will of the people through elected representatives.

The government officials can investigate documentation violations in regards to immigration. No problem. We are talking about extra-Constitutional actions and violations of human rights by the government - suspension of Habeas Corpus, denial of due process, shredding of the protections encoded in the Bill of Rights. That is the basis for my entire argument.

So, workers are the cause of cheap labor? That is your claim, and I am asking you to support that assertion. Workers should not go somewhere, because they then will be exploited, and the solution to that is to restrict the workers? You said that too many workers going to an area causes "a race to the bottom empowering to anyone except the lovers of cheap labor?" How does workers moving to higher wages cause a race to the bottom or promote cheap labor? How does workers being kept from moving to better opportunities prevent cheap labor? You are making the assertion - support it if you can.

By your logic, do consumers looking for and buying things at lower prices cause prices to go up? If more consumers go to a store, does that cause prices to go up? If workers (who are also consumers) moving to places with higher wages causes wages to fall, then consumers (who are also workers) going to places with lower prices should cause prices to go up.

How come the owners get to buy low and sell dear, and workers can not? Owners try to depress wages and increase prices - that is how they make profits. Workers try to increase their wages and buy things for less - that is how we survive.