McCain: 'No Confidence' in Rumsfeld

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=542&ncid=703&e=1&u=/ap/20041213/ap_on_go_ca_st_pe/mccain_interview

Sen. John McCain (news, bio, voting record) said Monday that he has "no confidence" in Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld, citing Rumsfeld's handling of the war in Iraq (news - web sites) and the failure to send more troops.

I just know it.

;)

firing outright. After he campaigned for Bush after what the BFEE did to him during the 2000 campaign, I was through with McCain. He has no principle.

sorry for my weak vocabulary.

Try this for acronyms:
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from one day to the next. I don't trust him. He has hidden agendas in everything he does.

unlike our "president", whose fascist agenda is PERFECTLY clear

I was at a dinner party on Saturday where a line to that effect got a huge laugh.

Fuck McCain. I have no further use for him. He should've permanently given Bush the big fuck-off after they went after his wife and family during the 2000 campaign. No. Respect. For him. At. ALL.

Someone who would campaign for a dangerous, lying, terrorist deserves no respect. He'll never redeem himself in my eyes. I hope the fundie radical conservatives completely marginalize his stupid ass and he ends up living under a bridge somewhere.

He's like a little yipping dog... or like MacBeth "Full of sound and fury, signifying nothing"

I confess to having the entire soliloquy memorized, but, alas, know knot from which play it is drawn.

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I memorized it in high school, and still remember it to this day. At the time I didn't really appreciate exactly what I was asked to memorize.

That mad me lass my ass off.

I truly can't understand the infatuation some people on our side have with McCain. Many were expecting he would have some INTEGRITY left and abstained from supporting Bush in 2004 after he and Rove basically shat on him and his entire family.

Like the little whore that he is, he got on his knees and supported Bush publicly. To further humiliate himself, he joined the Bush campaign and endorsed Bush in every GOP rally and public speech.

He endorsed the man who said his wife was a whore and a crackhead in the 2000 Republican primaries. He endorsed Bush, the guy who said McCain had a "black love child" with a prostitute, in order to get the Southern racist white vote in South Carolina. McCain, time and time again, endorsed the man who smeared and libeled his name by claiming he was "brainwashed" by the Vietcong and that he was a loose cannon after being a POW in "Hanoi Hilton," even though Bush never cared to show up for duty in Alabama.

I ask you, once again: why do you keep relying on a conservative right-wing Republican to do us any favors? Have you seen his voting record (far right)? Have you seeing him hugging and endorsing Bush?

This is a guy with NO integrity left in the political arena. Start focusing on whichever leaders on our end of the spectrum we can count on (Dean, Barack Obama, etc...)

...that some people who should know better suspend disbelief and see what they believe is integrity in McCain. Since "the truth is on our side," if he has integrity, he would automatically be part of the solution to the terrifying threats this country faces internally and externally--right?

Oops. His record shows that, while perhaps he has moments of apparent integrity in speeches, he is solidly part of the problem. And as for courage, his stance with the Bush cartel after what they did to him and his family and to everything he says he stands for in the country, well, let's just say courage doesn't seem to be a prominent feature in his political career. Like another poster on this thread's Shakespearean quote, "full of sound and fury, signifying nothing."

And I feel sure he voted for Bush. Clinging to the hope that in his heart of hearts he really supports Kerry is giving him too much credit, IMO. I wish we had an obvious Repub man of integrity we can turn to, but no matter how much we may wish for it, McCain isn't it.

Must have craaazy dirt on him.

thanks

Mc Cain has ZERO credibility, complete Loser, and to think that doing the right thing would have handed him whatever he wanted.

... i even wrote him a letter about it. i used to think that he was sorta okay until he started campaigning for shrub.

Liars savage Kerry the same way Bushistas went after him--the man has no honor.

Screw him.

McCain is a spineless weasel. Any respect he garnered in the Navy and as POW he has squandered as a bootlicker for a corrupt cabal. He has knowingly hurt this Nation by helping the Bush cabal.

McCain kissing w's ass after 2000. Yuck! :argh:

could have chosen to continue to serve our country but NO, he chose to serve the fascists.

To this very day he's said nothing in defense of his wife and adopted daughter, except for some vague, wussy "they did the same thing to me in 2000" while the swifties were fricaseeing Kerry. That's the most I've ever heard from his sorry ass. If I were his wife and they'd done that to me, and he a) didn't make a big, fat, swolen, stinking, federal case about it or b) kept brown-nosing bush - and so disgracefully in public, no less, I wouldn't BE his wife anymore. It's clear whom he loves more, and it doesn't appear to be his wife and/or daughter...

where's the popcorn? :)

and presumably Rummy himself. Do you suppose that Rummy's got something on the little chimp?

The facade is cracking.

i think he's got something on dickwad mcgofuckyourself, otherwise known as your illustrious VP, and the brains of the operation. come on, think about it. these two have worked together in politics for DECADES...you think rummy wouldn't know where to find the good dirt?

he probably has copies of EVERYTHING. This would be going back to the current armpit's (I don't use "asshole" cuz an asshole has a purpose and this idiot doesn't) run-ins with the law and the draft board.

They can't let him go. They'll probably send him somewhere in a small plane.

It's gotta go farther, and deeper, than just the simplistic "they can't fire him because he's such a collosal fuck-up - they'd have to admit they were wrong, and they NEVER admit they were wrong" stuff.

I was thinking the other day about the "...keep your friends close and your enemies closer" effect. Makes ya wonder, doesn't it?

Love your screen name, BTW. I keep going back to Mad-Eye Moody - "CONSTANT VIGILANCE!!!!" Wish we had Dumbledore here to help us...

The Shrub is just that stupid. It's faith-based, remember. Faith-based hiring, faith-based cabinet appointments, etc. LOL!

If they try and remove him he'll sing worse than Ashcroft, and it won't be 'Let the Eagle soar', you can be sure of that.

before he worked so hard to elect the chimp.

What a slime bag, he helps to create the catastrophe then complains about the monster he created.

That explains a lot, oh an awful lot...He must have learned it from Ann Coulter.

In essence, violating their space?

He puts his hand on McCain like a coach would his high-school aged athlete...

He puts his hand on the heads of bald, black men:


He wipes his glasses off on other peoples clothing:


This guy is all about subjecting others to ridicule by demeaning their station in life while at the same time demanding unquestioning respect for him...

Bush is very practiced at demeaning others for their station in life, and I don't think he's spared his wife.

left of McCain's balls.

And super-chimp is already a lame-duck!

McCain is next in line for SOD

Keep a high profile, be the one in the party to "boldly" go where the others won't, etc, etc, etc.

Should get interesting when he runs face-first into the ascendency of Brother Jeb.


MDN

Senator McCain will be 72 years old in 2008. Given thet the Bush people are probably looking to position Jeb for the ticket that year, I suspect we'll see John McCain retiring rather than running.

He doesn't usually say things without being told.

DOD Les Aspin, but no one calls for Rummy's head!!

... we all know allowing gays in the military under any conditions is a far more serious breach of conduct than fraud, embezzlement, torture, violation of the Geneva Conventions, and underequipping combat personnel. :eyes:

Those Reichpublicans have their priorities, don'tcha know?

Dems spoken out about rummy and his complete mishandling of "uncurious george's criminal adventure"? Are there still any Dems alive? Where the fuck do spineless Dems go to hibernate? Dems make the mid-60's Mets look like the '27 yankees.

Kerry twice called for Rumsfeld's resignation. Guess you missed it.

It's just so much easier to come on this board and trash Democrats than it is to actually know what you're talking about, isn't it?

done a very good job of getting themselves heard in the news.

Granted, there's a huge right-wing media bias (despite Limbaugh's constant whining to the contrary--because they're all corporate owned), but still Dems have to come out with a consistent message and insist they get covered.

a media that can turn a draft dodging drunken frat boy into some kind of war hero while turning a genuine war hero into a flip-flopping pointy headed geek - is a pretty powerful opponent...

They've even succeeded in getting Democrats to eat their own.

Witness the post like the one I replied to - it's a generic attack on the "Democratic leadership" - worthy of anything you'd find on freerepublic.

For the MSM and the corporate machine that controls them - mission accomplished.

actually the MSM DISMISSES them as complainers, bashers, etc. Always notice the wording in AP articles then the rest of the echo chamber echos and embellishes. It can be very subtle, so much so that Dems here either think our leaders are 'not saying anything' or always 'saying the wrong thing'. The medium truly is the messsage now. And it is never good for us. Fascism is here.

it's a step in the right direction, but just b/c he calls rumsfeld out doesn't mean he's not a huge piece of shit himself.

You are exactly right. I have NO confidence in either one of the slimey crappers and am hard pressed to decide which one sucks worse.

for super-chimp to fire rummy? And is Cheney Dr. Zaius?

Dr. Zaius doesn't have dimples.

Go to hell McCain.

Who's you're daddy?

the photo of the napalmed Vietnamese girl in the 60s (or the graphic photos from Falluja)

Looks like someone ripped the side of his face off and sewed it back on--maybe thats really Osama?LOL
Anyway..this photo is seriously disturbing--I betch Bush even bitchslapped him when he asked if he could lead this dance,lol.

and that includes MCCAIN

I was very disappointed that he campaigned actively for BCo. Real courage would have been displayed if he had actively backed Kerry when it really counted...BEFORE the election. Sorry, but that's my opinion.

The Bushies went after his family in the lowest of low blows, sickening that he supported them after that.

He even said during the campaign that he didn't really consider Kerry his friend, because they'd never done anything outside of work together. What a filthy Judas traitor, to stab your friend in the back and deny him for politics.

I hate that two-faced bastard, he's as bad as Bush.

in 2000 when he got attacked by Bush in the South Carolina Republican Primaries.

which is another reason that I think that they stole the election.

Oh, yeah screw you McCain! You made your bed now lay in it.

no doubt in my mind

I think DU has lots of other former Republicans who feel that their party left them when it went all crazy in the head. Welcome to the Democrats!

certainly are other recovering Republicans here.

Hugs!

And by the way, I am sorry about all the folks in your former party who gave it, and themselves, a VERY bad name.

Welcome to DU! :hi:

Does he have a problem with Sec. Rumsfeld? Great. I know the perfect way to settle it: cage match to the death.

"Two men enter, one man leave."

"There Can Be Only One."

you get the idea

'cause it's hard to imagine McCain saying this without King chimp's blessing.......McCain already blew his chance to be a crossover candidate in '08. Surely he knows that. Being a fascist enabler with a random hint of conscience just ain't gonna cut it.

You supported BushCo's oil war, now you can swim in the blood of your fallen young comrades...........and stop whining.

left of cool

I find him unconvincing in the EXTREME. And I keep wondering how his wife feels about all this.

when we coulda used ye? Now, ye're not more than the babblin' bluster of a useless slab o'mutton, the pathetic scratchin's of a scrawny chicken. Here, Johnny, I'll grant ye immortality. I'll take this stick and scratch your thoughts in the sand next to the lake, sign it with ye're full name. It'll last until well in the evenin', John, until the animals come down to drink of the water and urinate on ye're memory.

he's sold his soul and now he's trying to get it back

good luck John-Boy

He has done nothing to help Democrats. He might be a Maverick in his party but it is not my party. I hope he goes down with the imminent implosion of the rethuglican party.

Shame you didn't make contact with reality BEFORE November 2nd.

Fuck off, you whore.

and you can quote her.

:headbang:
rocknation

Okay, I'm going out on a limb here, but I predict that "Rumfilled" will be out on his ass before long. That Q&A with the soldier has turned into a modern instance of "Have you no shame, sir? At long last have you no shame?"

McCain sucks, too. That hug is just too damn much. Is that a tube of K-Y jelly in his pocket? How revolting.

Should have thought about that before you endorsed the boy king.

I have no respect for this man. It's irritating to see other people, Dems, who still like him but that's their deal. I just see that as evidence that if McCain were to run for President one day, he'd probably win.

My Great (+) Grandfather met his kind at The Old North Bridge.

He is involved in the "selling out" of OUR country and constitution.

I have no confidence in him anymore. ACTIONS SPEAK LOUDER THAN WORDS.:grr:

he is so good with money....,George is good with speaking and Jeb is good is with getting out the vote. The 3 Stooges of Amaragedon should be blasted into the nearest black hole to explore the edge of dumbness.

since according to his ex-wife, he has one.

Republican values . . . "I cheated with an Asian whore, but at least I DIDN'T use a condom."

Even a broken clock is correct twice a day!

McCain is an opportunistic bastard who DID sell his wife and children down the river.

His loyalty is to his repuke party above country and above his family.


I love it that they are beginning to eat their own, but I give that rat bastard no compliments - ever - not when some delusional self-desccribed "dems" on this board tried pushing his VP crap on us or now.

But still it's good to see someone point out that Rumsfeld is really just a idiot in a suit.

When you actively campaign for the fuckwit who smeared your child based on her skin color, you're a dirtbag. Plain and simple. Anything remotely pleasant about him just pales in comparison to his inaction after the attacks on his daughter.

the time to make comments like these was before the election.

You are right. Rumsfeld does not deserve a vote of confidence from you or from anyone else. I would go even further and say he deserves to be on trial for the way he has handled his job. Criminal negligence at best.

But you, my dear, whored for bush. You whored for these people to be RETURNED TO OFFICE. Might I remind you that it was the bush White House that CHOSE Rumsfeld? Hmmmm?

You are part of the problem, no matter how many puffed-up pronouncements you make now.

you are right to say that McCain is no better than any other republican sleeze.. but when any of them step against their own, or not walk the party line to actually say the truth it should deserve a little respect.. i am not saying you have to be McCains biggest fan, It only takes a few people to start a revolt in a party and things like this brings it one tiny tiny step closer, and we should echo his words of ill upon his own party instead of insulting him (in this case at least)

McCain is a tough cookie to crack. At the same time, I, like you lost a lot of respect for him after 2004. It seems like he wants to run in 2008. If that's the case, then he needed to support Bush this time around. However, he doesn't want to alienate his base: moderate conservatives so he continues to criticize his extreme policies.
I thought he would be given a cabinet position in a second Bush term... and Homeland Security is still open... there is a small chance...

If not, he'll probably run in 2008. Otherwise his 2004 efforts would be pointless--and that would be very un-politician-like.

Also, don't rule out Rumsfeld stepping down mid-term and McCain replacing him. (So that it doesn't look quid pro quo - campaigning for a cabinet position)

more here: www.politicalthought.net

And I would not trust anyone stupid enough to trust either John McCain. Or that murderous grinning slime ball Rumsfeld.
Peace
Wildman
Al Gore is My President

That whore can say all he wants, he sold his soul...I hope it was worth it for him.

hypocrite.

Somebody nicknamed Kerry "Live Shot" (can't remember who it was.) Obviously they did not know McCain, the man who will do or say anything to be in the spotlight.

I'm not being a smartass, I'm serious. These Republicans should really start leading by example.

Kerry asked for Rumsfeld's resignation in May, yes May.

This is now December. How many more dead McCain? Such a patriot.

Here's another tip: They aren't going to let you ever be President either, shmuck.

just when i think i've got him pegged he shifts his position.

i don't know what his game is, but i won't have any part of it.

shifty, talks out of both sides of his mouth. bottom line is that he is still bush's toady.

if he said this a couple of years ago. Even a few months ago might have made a difference. But no the little whore is on his knees for BushCo all during the primaries.

I have no respect for him.

THere's a Wes Clark quote that comes to mind about now "When you can do good, you should." McCain has his chance to call out Bush years ago but he didn't. Now we're stuck with Bunnypants for another four years.

How many more of our troops will die because John McCain, who was once respected by many, chose the wrong side?

Fuck him.

Mz Pip
:dem:

As a poster above noted. They should start with all of his eligible relatives. I`ve been saying for 2 years now that the Bu$h twins should get out of the booze halls and into boot camp. Joining the service should be the desire of any good repukelican. If they support this war crime like they say they do.
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Wildman
Al Gore is My President

Nuff said about him.

Rumsfailed is a War Criminal. Now that he has blatantly lied to the troops to their faces some Rethugs are speaking out. It is amazing that the troops didn't boo this Criminal. Not supplying armor is a betrayal to the troops and Criminal Negligence. Rumsfailed should not only be fired but brought up on criminal charges.


Rumsfailed Admitted to Violating Geneva Convention

Rumsfailed admitted in public on TV that when CIA Director Tenet requested that an Iraqi prisoner be sent to a secret Afghan/US Prison that Rumsfailed did so. After four months a DOD Attorney stated that this was an illegal act. Rumsfailed then ordered that this prisoner be sent back to Abu Graihib but the prisoner was purposefully not listed at that location, also an illegal act. Rumsfeld also admitted to signing orders for tougher interogation methods which violated the Geneva Conventions.

Rumfailed has commited at least three violations of the Geneva Convention thereby also violations of The Constitution of the USA. Recently it has been found out that even more detainees were "ghost detainees". The fact that Rumsfailed and Tenet have not been charged speaks volumes. If Congress wishes to garner any respect they should move forward with Rep. Rangle's Impeachment Declaration of Rumsfailed and also proscecute Ex. CIA Tenet.

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Q: Senator Jack Reed (Dem, RI): "If you were shown
a video of a United States Marine or an American
citizen in control of a foreign power, in a cell block,
naked with a bag over their head, squatting with their
arms uplifted for 45 minutes, would you describe that
as a good interrogation technique or a violation of
the Geneva Convention?"

A: Marine Gen. Peter Pace, the vice chairman of the
Joint Chiefs of Staff: "I would describe it as a violation."

A: Paul D. Wolfowitz, the deputy secretary of defense: "What
you've described to me sounds to me like a violation of the
Geneva Convention."

Thursday, May 13, 2004, Senate Armed Services Committee hearings

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A25737-20...

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A25737-2004May13.htm






Does the US, Govt., Congress, and the Justice Dept no longer abide by the Geneva Convention or the Constitution of the USA?

And that's always a good thing.

Before the Repug primaries in 00 I used to like McCain. Being a war hero and all that he seemed decent.

When he did nothing after Bu$h Co. went after his family I lost much of the respect I had for him. This year I was hoping that maybe he would grow a pair of balls and finally do something about what chimpy was doing to the country. He didnt.

I have 0 respect or admiration for the guy anymore. In the end his hands are just as bloody as the rest of them.

He kissed W's butt all through out the campaign thinking he'd get Rummies job. Moral of the story don't be an ass kisser.

mccain talks out of both sides of his mouth.

You knew Rummy was a dummy all along there, John. You knew what George W. Bush is, John. Maybe backing away from these guys before November 2 might have been a little more effective than shouting from the sidelines after the game is over.

And that goes for you too Joe (oh dear me I see a deficit) Scarborough.

These "moderate" republicans are not blameless in any way for what happens with these nut cases in total power.

He should have been in Kerry's corner, and then he (and we) would not have to worry about Rumsfeld!

Rumsfeld is in it for the power and the money. Vanity is also a big Rumsfeld motivator.

McCain is in it to reverse the verdict of Vietnam. He said a few months ago that Iraq is nothing like Vietnam. Superficially, appearances are different, but the political dynamics of the guerilla conflict and the corrupt political system we have here which profits from the war industry are quite similar. The fact that McCain is blind to this because of his personal agenda MAKES HIM THE MOST DANGEROUS MAN THAT COULD EVER OCCUPY THE OFFICE OF PRESIDENT OR SECRETARY OF DEFENSE.

I'm sure glad he's on top of that steroids in baseball story though, he knows his priorities.

no confidence in Rumsfield but have confidence in the dumbass who appointed Rummie and asked him to stay on?? I lost respect for McCain when he let the repugs trash his family.

McCain squandered all of his credibility in one bear-hug. His political usefulness has been depleted. He needs to be thrown on the scrap-heap with Colin Powell. I don't think he will be able to re-invent himself again. He's finished.

That whore McCain will say anything about anyone if he thinks it will help him politically.

He has been more critical of this horrific Bush* administration than most of the Democrats, and with good reason, after the "dirty tricks" they used against him in South Carolina in 2000. But he still insists that he supports Bush*. And I've seen his blatant criticism of Rumsfeld, also with excellent reason, and he knows more about serving in wartime than many others in the Senate, and, certainly, more than those in the Bush* administration, so his opinion means something.:shrug:

I just don't understand why he remains loyal to an administration who he has no faith in and who opposes everything he supports. I'd like to believe he voted for Kerry, a friend and a fellow Vietnam vet, but he campaigned for Bush*!:crazy:

John McCain? I am so sick of him. He talks out of both sides of his mouth! :boring:

knows what to expect with McCain.

Dummies * and Rummy the Dummy have been royally fucking up IRQ since this shit war began.

Oh man, I can really feel it comin..