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leftchick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-21-04 08:52 PM
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U.S. Was Replacing Iraq Tent With Bunker
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20041222/ap_on_re_mi_ea/us_iraq&cid=540&ncid=1480

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WASHINGTON - Iraqi insurgents have attacked several U.S. military dining hall tents in recent months and the Pentagon (news - web sites) was finishing a hardened bunker to replace the dining tent at the base near Mosul attacked Tuesday, military officials said.


Days before the hardened dining hall was scheduled to be completed, a 122mm rocket slammed into the tent at Forward Operating Base Marez near Mosul where hundreds of troops were sitting down to lunch.


Accounts of the number killed varied, but Pentagon officials said Tuesday night that 22 were killed, including 20 Americans. The toll included 15 military servicemembers and five civilians. More than 60 were wounded, including U.S. troops, civilian workers and Iraqi soldiers.


A spokeswoman for Halliburton, the Army contractor which provides food services, said four company employees and three subcontractors were killed. Safety is a concern for the contract workers, as well.


"It is extremely difficult to prevent these appalling and horrific attacks," Halliburton spokeswoman Wendy Hall said Tuesday.

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hatrack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-21-04 08:54 PM
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1. So Halliburton is saying that "It's HARD WORK" to build bunkers?
Uh, I thought that's what we overpaid them for . . .
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NYC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-21-04 09:09 PM
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2. U.S. soldiers would have built the bunker.
Halliburon employees were concerned with their safety, so the building of the bunker was delayed.

U.S. soldiers concerned with their safety would have speeded up the building of the bunker.
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kodi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-21-04 09:12 PM
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3. so, you think the iraqis knew this and recognized they had to attack now?
there is complete denial by the americans that the iraqi resistence has infiltrated US command and control functions.

time after time, the iraqis are doing violent things to support their insurrection that could only be done by intimate knowledge their adversaries.

failure by the americans to recognize this exhibites a level of insanity found only by those who believe themselves invisible to their foes.
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jmcgowanjm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-21-04 10:36 PM
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6. resistence has infiltrated US command and control functions.
Yes

a level of insanity found only by those who believe themselves invisible to their foes.

Yes

Only reason we're hearing about this

Richmond Times Dispatch Reporter
w/ pics

Now consider

Now for a moment, consider the substantive anomalies in
the official discourse. Consider one such example-
Satellite Imagery of Fallujah (block by block including
"after action") available to the media till the 15th of
November and carried in graphic detail day by day from the 8th
of Nov. through the 15th stopped abruptly. There are
no explanations.

There are no satellite pictures of Fallujah available in the
public domain after November
15th.

Or consider that the Red Cross/Red crescent has not
been allowed to enter the city in any substantive manner.
Today is the 20th of Dec and it has still not
been
allowed.

Or consider another break in the regular stream
of consciousness. No reporter has set foot in the city or after
the 22nd of November.

A "Great Victory" like this and no footage?

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NYC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-21-04 10:37 PM
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7. Maybe they just used binoculars.
?
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cliss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-22-04 02:06 AM
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8. Interesting.
I wonder how much attention RumsFailed has paid to the insider problem.

Stan Goff said that dollar for dollar and man for man, the US military is the most inefficient in the world. He wrote that we spend billions, and we can't even get it right.

He's written extensively about the failure of RumsFool to understand that technology can only go so far in warfare. A 21-year old American who is used to a soft consumer lifestyle, is no match for a hardened 35-year old mujahedeen who is fighting for his life, his country, and is willing to die for it.

RumsFathead has understood this, and has tried to replace the soft soldiers with technology. All he did was spend untold billions, and we are still outmatched. Money is not the answer to everything.

The Iraqis spend $10.00, and with a few pineapple grenades they manage to kill 24 Americans. Guess who's ahead in this equation?
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jmcgowanjm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-22-04 10:19 AM
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9. "It is not the use of advanced technology, but the advanced use of technol
"It is not the use of advanced technology, but the advanced
use of technology, that counts for obtaining victory."

The new Russia-China-India-Brazil coalition really
means business, and it would be wise to remember that
after reforms at the United Nations, all four will have
permanent seats on the Security Council. But that is after
the likely confrontation in the Gulf of Mexico, designed to
either make America withdraw completely from the rest of
the world and become relatively poor, or face devastating
and total economic ruin. It has been suggested to me that
the choice will  probably be left to the American people, if
they can terminate (as in leave the US)

FBI waited more than a year to make move against AIPAC

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x1090384

a few dozen Zionists fast enough.
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Ernesto Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-22-04 11:21 AM
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10. There you have it
When I compared myself to the sawed off, broke dick little jerks that were killing my fellow Marines in Nam, I realized a fundamental difference. No matter what equipment we possessed, it was still their god damned country and they weren't just waiting to "go back home" to the US.
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Rose Siding Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-21-04 09:31 PM
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4. Time for Operation Eternal Western Presence
They can watch the US erect permanent concrete structures everywhere...only for our own protection, of course.
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LynnTheDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-21-04 09:47 PM
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5. When? They've been there 2 years now.
That's the bush Cartel; always too little, far too late. Always "was", never "have".
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Jacobin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-22-04 11:26 AM
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11. woulda, coulda, shoulda
That's the mantra of this administration.

Of course, it wouldn't really matter. Iraqis will run us out of their country eventually. They have this bizarre notion that since it is their country, they don't want us occupying it.
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Beetwasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-22-04 11:31 AM
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12. That's What Happens When You PRIVATIZE THE MILITARY
Edited on Wed Dec-22-04 11:32 AM by Beetwasher
How fucking long have they been there and they STILL didn't have a hardened mess hall!!!!!!!!! The ONE fucking place the enemy can be POSITIVE that LOT'S of troops will be gathered together and NOT as alert and it STILL wasn't hardened after HOW FUCKING LONG?????????

I'll bet the fucking OFFICER'S Mess is hardened!
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