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Barrett808 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-02-05 07:32 PM
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Number of Iraqis planning to vote appears to surge
Number of Iraqis planning to vote appears to surge
By Karl Vick
The Washington Post

BAGHDAD, Iraq - The number of Iraqis making sure they are properly registered to vote has surged dramatically, officials said Saturday, calling the rise evidence of enthusiasm for the Jan. 30 elections despite continuing security concerns that have blocked the process in two provinces.
After a slow start to the six-week registration process that began Nov. 1, the number of voters making corrections to official voter lists more than doubled in the final week, according to a final tally quoted by election officials Saturday.

Officials said that more than 2.1 million people came to local election offices to ensure that eligible members of their households could vote. About 1.2 million forms were submitted to add names to the voter lists, an involved process that requires providing proof of identification and residence.

``That's a definite marker of voter interest,'' said an election expert with the Independent Election Commission of Iraq.

Because Iraqis do not have to take any steps to register to vote - food rationing accounts serve as voter rolls - requests for corrections are essentially the only gauge of voter involvement in the registration process for the Jan. 30 election.

``This is a very good indicator,'' said Hussein Hindawi, who heads the election office. ``We are very optimistic.''

(more)

http://www.registerguard.com/news/2005/01/02/a2.int.warelectreg.0102.html


Contrast with today's post from Riverbend:
http://riverbendblog.blogspot.com/2005_01_01_riverbendblog_archive.html#110466627142368992



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StClone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-02-05 07:35 PM
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1. If they are great!
What little good has come out of this invasion that would indicate some hope for the future. Caveat: BushCo would like to think this is true whether it is or not...
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Spinzonner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-02-05 07:35 PM
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2. There's a synonym for Iraqi voters

Potential Corpse
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seriousstan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-02-05 07:38 PM
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4. I like freedom fighters better.
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merwin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-02-05 07:37 PM
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3. Proof of residence? How many Iraqi's have had their residence blown up? nt
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givemebackmycountry Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-02-05 07:38 PM
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5. This is bullshit
Read RIVERBEND and you will get a whole other story.
She says NO ONE is going to vote and there isn't a whole lot of faith in the process either.
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screembloodymurder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-02-05 10:23 PM
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15. No faith in the elections?
They must be watching ours.
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LiberalVoice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-02-05 07:50 PM
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6. Thosea probably fake registrations
So Bush can continue to lie about the enthusiasm of the people for their elections.
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teach1st Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-02-05 07:54 PM
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7. From Riverbend: One reason for the registrations?
http://riverbendblog.blogspot.com/2005_01_01_riverbendblog_archive.html#110466627142368992

Another problem is the selling of ballots. We're getting our ballots through the people who give out the food rations in the varying areas. The whole family is registered with this person(s) and the ages of the varying family members are known. Many, many, many people are not going to vote. Some of those people are selling their voting cards for up to $400. The word on the street is that these ballots are being bought by people coming in from Iran. They will purchase the ballots, make false IDs (which is ridiculously easy these days) and vote for SCIRI or Daawa candidates. Sunnis are receiving their ballots although they don't intend to vote, just so that they won't be sold.
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patdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-02-05 07:59 PM
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9. Thank you for saving me the time to hunt that down...exactly!
Register to vote and sell your ballot for $400.00 that is probaly 6 months wages and WILL feed your family, whereas the ballot has NO calories! :grr:
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NNN0LHI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-02-05 07:58 PM
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8. Careful boys. Don't want another Afghanistan on your hands where...
Edited on Sun Jan-02-05 08:22 PM by NNN0LHI
...they ended up with the number of registered voters exceeding the number of eligible voters for the whole country. How did they do that? Don't get carried away again.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/south_asia/3600742.stm

Afghan voting number puzzle

Fears are growing that the numbers of people registered to vote in Afghanistan's presidential elections simply do not add up. snip


On 17 August, United Nations Secretary General Kofi Annan reported to the Security Council that the high rate of voter registration - more than 9.9m already enrolled - showed the political isolation of groups responsible for violence.

What he did not mention was that the number registered already exceeds the estimated total of eligible voters for the whole country.

Originally UN officials estimated there were 9.8m eligible adults, and as the percentage registered climbed ever higher, the Afghan government and US leaders loudly praised this as an achievement for democracy.

When the total reached 9.9m UN officials in Kabul hastily upped the estimated total of voters to 10.5 million, arguing that, with no accurate census, the original figure could be up to a million out - due to the effects of war, civil strife and mass migration.

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makhno Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-02-05 08:03 PM
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10. Fucking hilarious
Colonial democracy in action; make believe "officials" and "experts" ready to soothe the worries back at homebase.

Who can tell whether anyone actually registered?
Who can tell whether anyone voted?
Who can tell how anyone voted?

FYROM, Ukraine, Iraq .. no stopping the magic miracle ballot box.

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0007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-02-05 08:11 PM
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12. Is it possible that most of the registered voters are already dead?
Round and round it goes where it stops nobody knows.
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NNN0LHI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-02-05 08:25 PM
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13. Haven't heard from no more embedded reporters since the Sites thingy n/t
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Rose Siding Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-02-05 09:22 PM
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14. Here's a rpt from an embed worth reading...
Wolcott transcribes some of an Economist article on his site...

http://www.jameswolcott.com/

"Kind of a Shame"
Posted by James Wolcott
From The Economist, January 1st-7th 2005 (registration required; oh just go out and buy the damn thing):

"There is only one traffic law in Ramadi these days: when Americans approach, Iraqis scatter. Horns blaring, brakes screaming, the midday traffic skids to the side of the road as a line of Humvee jeeps ferrying American marines rolls the wrong way up the main street. Every vehicle, that is, except one beat-up old taxi. Its elderly driver, flapping his outstretched hands, seems, amazingly, to be trying to turn the convoy back. Gun turrets swivel and lock on to him, as a hefty marine sargeant leaps into the road, levels an assault rifle at his turbanned head, and screams: 'Back this bitch up, motherfucker!'

"The old man should have read the bilingual notices that American soldiers tack to their rear bumpers in Iraq: 'Keep 50m or deadly force will be applied.' In Ramadi, the capital of central Anbar province, where 17 suicide-bombs struck American forces during the month-long Muslim fast of Ramadan in the autumn, the marines are jumpy. Sometimes, they say, they fire on vehicles encroaching with 30 metres, sometimes they fire at 20 metres: 'If anyone gets too close to us we fucking waste them,' says a bullish lieutenant. 'It's kind of a shame, because it means we've killed a lot of innocent people.'"

Kind of a shame, killing the people you're trying to democratize, but after awhile, says the same lieutenant, "It gets to the point where you can't wait to see guys with guns, so you start shooting everybody..."

With characteristic dry English understatement, The Economist's embedded reporter (Economist pieces are unbylined) notes, "hen America's well-drilled and well-fed fighters attempt subtler tasks than killing people, problems arise." Their contempt for Iraqis is undisguised and dramatically expressed: a soldier, confronted by "jeering schoolchildren," fires canisters of buckshot from his grenade-launcher at them, and marines busting down doors in Ramadi scream at trembling middle-aged women: "Bitch, where's the guns?" Small wonder, ventures the correspondent, that "many Iraqis are probably more scared of American troops than of insurgents."

The last grafs of the report recount a big whoopy-do operation in the smugglers' haven of Baij involving a convoy of 1000 troops supported by Apache attack helicopters targeting three houses that had been linked to Zarquawi's terrorist band, according to a local informant.

There was no one in the houses except women and children. Rather than return to base empty, they pay homage to the last reel of Casablanca and round up the usual suspects.

"...they detained 70 men from districts indentified by their informant as 'bad.' In near-freezing conditions, they sat hooded and bound in their pyjamas. They shivered uncontrollably. One wetted himself in fear. Most had been detained at random; several had been held because they had a Kalashnikov rifle, which is legal. The evidence against one man was some anti-American literature, a meat cleaver, and a tin whistle. American intelligence officers moved through the ranks of detainees, raising their hoods to take mugshots: 'One, two, three, jihaaad!' A middle-tier officer commented on the mission: 'When we do this,' he said. 'We lose.'"

There's a Peter Cook-Dudley Moore routine, one of their woolgathering dialogues, where Dud asks Pete, "So would you say you've learned from your mistakes?" and Pete replies: "Oh yes, I'm certain I could repeat them exactly."

That seems to have been the Bush administration's approach to Iraq. Take the mistakes of Vietnam and repeat them exactly.

And at that you can't say they haven't succeeded.

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jamesinca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-02-05 11:02 PM
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16. Here are my thoughts
They had elections, they were declared successful. Because they had elections, it proves with Bush logic that, democracy has been established. So why are we still in Afghanistan? They are a democracy, the government is stable enough to hold elections, and they have had an uptick in their economy. They have turned the corner one might say. Now lets apply this to Iraq, will we be leaving there once democracy is successful? Elections don't have a thing to do with it, neither does the economy over there. We have occupied and we have an administration that has fully bought in to the preaching of Niccolo Machiavelli. We should rename this country the United Machiavellian States of Calvinist. It would be a more accurate title considering how this country is being led. The constitution of the new country would simply be all Secular Humanist need to die.
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beachhous9 Donating Member (10 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-02-05 08:06 PM
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11. Seems a little strange
and alot convenient!
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