IRAQ: Death in Fallujah rising, doctors say

Even the women and children. Right?

Nothing to see here, move along.

If they can't see anything, they won't report it.

Sounds a lot like the Election Fraud. If they can't investigate, they won't find any proof. Cover-Up is clearly the way to proceed.

Japanese aircraft bombed south Shanghai Station Aug.28,1937.
About 200 people in the waiting room were dead or wounded by the bombing. A crying baby was left alone after the bombing. - Life Oct. 4, 1937

what do we tell our children!? :cry:

peace

of the Tsunami. Yet in Fallujah a man made disaster bought and paid for by US taxpayers, rescuers were prevented from searching for survivors by US Troops.

We are no better than animals for treating these people this way. This is sick fucked up shit!

unbelievable....but we might as well expect late-coming apologies.

IRR010305

Communiqué issued by Consultative Council of Mujahideen
of al-Fallujah on two months of fighting.

The communiqué gave a final count of occupation forces’
losses up to 2 January 2005 as follows:

1. More than 6,500 US troops killed and 700 more
wounded.
2. More than 425 British troops killed and about 325
wounded.
3. A large number of Americans and Britons captured, some
of whom were killed during escape attempts.
4. More than 1,350 tanks and armored vehicles
destroyed.
5. About 800 Humvees and personnel carriers
destroyed.
6. 41 aircraft, including three fighter planes, shot
down.
7. 200 US light and medium weapons seized, as well
as hundreds of scopes, bayonets, compasses, bullet-
proof vests, and classified maps of occupation positions
in al-Anbar Province

The communiqué criticized and condemned al-Jazeera
satellite TV which it called “Silent TV,” and the al-
‘Arabiyah satellite TV station which it said preferred to cover
the fighting from the side of the enemy rather than from the
side of the Resistance.

As to Resistance losses, the communiqué stated that
721 Resistance fighters had been killed, including fraternal
Arab fighters from Saudi Arabia, Syria, Jordan, Egypt,
Tunisia, Yemen, Qatar, Kuwait, Algeria, and the Sudan.
In addition, 215 others had been
wounded

Why do you think there is a darth of info coming from
Fallujah?

Absolutely Zero info from US.

Journalists are arrested or shot
trying to cover the story
thru the US side.

What is the reality?

Do you actually think that car bombs only kill
Iraqi's? Do you think that the US hasn't done everything
it can possibly think of
short of going nuclear to subdue Fallujah?
And yet hasn't?

Do you actually think the US controls
anything in Iraq?

What happened to the Republican Guard?
All 50000 trained by the SpezNatz.
All vowing to fight to the death
to defend Iraq.
Or the 450000 man Army.
Say just 1 in 4 of these.

Against the most heavily armed opponent in the history of
War, Fallujah has still not let itself be "taken" to date.
The mightiest military machine in history has met its
match.

Fallujah has not been taken. Not only has Fallujah not
been taken, but the coalition forces have staged several
retreats and are now confined largely to the outside of the
city.

Raw unopposed firepower has reached its limits. Never have
so few battled against so many in face of overwhelming
odds and brought a superpower to its knees. And the
nightmare
continues.

http://globalresearch.ca/articles/MEH412A.html

Look, The U.S. is no doubt mired in a no win situation. Fallujah, and indeed most of central Iraq, can never be "controlled" by the military. But the claims made as to the many thousands of apparently uncounted coalition casualties is just silly. And as for shooting down fighters, sheesh, even when Saddam was in full power they couldn't shoot down a fighter.

because helos were getting shot down.

And you realize that Rota hospital in Spain has
been opened up because Landstuhl can't
handle all the casualties.

And that more than 50000 US "wounded"
have been evacuated.

In 1991 and in 2003, there were plenty of incidents where fighter jets were called in to destroy embedded Iraqi emplacements in the desert, with deadly effect. Then there are the A-10 Warthog and Spectre gunship close-support aircraft that were widely used to take out armored vehicles and tanks that are still used today to strafe resistance positions. There was plenty of opportunities for Saddam's military, at it's peak in the first Gulf War, to take out US aircraft, and they failed then. Their degraded military again failed to shoot down US jets in the second invasion, while they did take out quite a few helicopters though.

IRR010205

Tal ‘afar Update: 50 “national guards” join Resistance
during fighting, Resistance captures four Americans, US
arrests three journalists for trying to cover the
fighting.

IRR010305

Al-Hajj Abu Yahya, the commander of one of the
Resistance groups, said that more than 70 US tanks
and armored vehicles had been destroyed in the days of
fighting, and that more than 250 American troops had
been killed. Four Black Hawk and three Apache helicopters
had been shot down by the Resistance, he
said.

Abu Yahya also told Mafkarat al-Islam that 129
Resistance fighters had been martyred in the fighting,
including four women fighters and nine youths, all of whom
had been buried in a grave yard dubbed the Martyrs’
Cemetery, specially for those killed in the
battles.

Both sides need their propaganda, and this is almost certainly the insurgency's.

JU is just a medium. Like
albasrah.net.

Yes, it is agitprop, but you can bet the DoD/Mossad/
SAS are doing everything they can to stop it.

And you can also bet that the AVG Iraqi will trust this
over any other source.

Guess I'm missing your point. The quoted info is laughable on it's face. It's much like Saddam's claiming great victories all through Gulf War I while his troops were being slaughtered.

But could this have been going on now for almost 2 years with our convoys being hit every day, and yet the US has not reported that a boatload of American soldiers have taken as POW's? That is the part that worries me here the most. Have you thought about this? Something just doesn't seem right here. I just don't know?

Don

as most of the attacks on U.S. forces are hit and run, IED type incidents. You have to have concentrated numbers to overrun a unit and capture anyone.

Wouldn't you think we would have some soldiers embedded with these Iraqi units that have been overrun?

Don

I just meant that any large numbers would be unlikely.

it's inconceivable for almost everybody that the US can be defeated.

Watch what happens in DC when everyone starts to realize
that
it has.

As I recall, we lost in Vietnam. Though I agree many Red State SUV ribbon covered drivers think you can "win" an occupation, it's painfully clear that Rumsfailed and company have horribly misused our powerful military. The Military can easily defeat anyone in a straight forward "war" against a sovereign country (See Gulf I), but it's not going to ever win the occupation game, and should never have been asked to. Just one more of the unforgivable consequences of * cabal's "vision".

I told my husband on that day, they would level this town. I am so sorry I was right. I just know how I would feel if it happened in my town.

FALLUJA
One major reason for the decline in attacks is that the US forces have finally accepted some responsibility for the 28 April massacre in Falluja. After the fall of the regime, local citizens took over the running of this western town. US forces barged in and occupied the local school as a military base, without consultation. During a demonstration on the evening of 28 April, nearly three weeks after the fall of the regime, US soldiers fired on the crowd outside the school, killing 13 civilians immediately.

The official US account was that 25 armed civilians, mixed in with the crowd and also positioned on nearby rooftops, fired on the soldiers of the 82nd Airborne, leading to a ‘fire-fight’. (BBC News Online, 29 April 2003)

Phil Reeves, a reporter for the Independent on Sunday, conducted a careful independent investigation and concluded that the official story was a ‘highly implausible version of events’. Witnesses interviewed by Mr Reeves ‘stated that there was some shooting in the air in the general vicinity, but it was nowhere near the crowd.’ US Lieutenant Colonel Eric Nantz admitted that the bloodshed occurred after ‘celebratory firing’, but he claimed that the firing came from the crowd. (BBC News Online, 29 April 2003)

However, all the witnesses Phil Reeves could find agreed that there was no ‘fire-fight’ nor any shooting at the school, and that the crowd had no guns. The Independent journalist observed:

The evidence at the scene overwhelmingly supports this. Al-Ka’at primary and secondary school is a yellow concrete building about the length and height of seven terraced houses located in a walled compound. The soldiers fired at people gathered below them. There are no bullet marks on the facade of the school or the perimeter wall in front of it. The top floors of the houses directly opposite, from where the troops say they were fired on, also appear unmarked. Their upper windows are intact. (Independent on Sunday, 4 May 2003, p. 17)

There were bullet holes in an upper window, ‘but they were on another side of the school building.’ (Independent, 30 April 2003, p. 2) The Telegraph’s report of the bullet holes failed to mention this fact. (p. 10)

Dr Ahmed Ghanim al-Ali told reporters at Falluja Hospital, ‘Medical crews were shot by soldiers when they tried to get to the injured people.’ (Mirror, 30 April 2003, p. 11)

BLOOD MONEY
The US failed to accept that those killed in the massacre were unarmed; failed to pay compensation to the relatives of the dead or to the injured; and failed to investigate the massacre and punish those responsible. The result was predictable. After the massacre, Falluja became the most dangerous place in Iraq for US occupation forces. The headmaster of the school, who had lost three teenage pupils in the massacre, told Phil Reeves calmly that he was willing to die as a ‘martyr’ to take his revenge against the US troops. (Independent, 30 April 2003, p. 2)

The 28 April massacre was soon being airbrushed out of history. Reporting from Falluja on a US operation on 16 June 2003, the Telegraph (p. 10), the Guardian (p. 10), and the FT (p. 6) all referred to recent attacks on US soldiers in the town, and local hostility, without mentioning the massacre.

The introduction of a new US brigade in June allowed the occupation forces to stage a climbdown. First: a withdrawal of US forces from the town. (Washington Post, 12 July 2003, p. A11) Secondly, US Army officers ‘delivered formal apologies to local tribal sheiks and paid blood money for every dead and injured person deemed not to be a combatant... $1,500 for a death and $500 for an injury... Officers have ordered soldiers to knock on doors before conducting most residential searches. They have also permitted the mayor to field a 75-member armed militia and doled out nearly $2 million on municipal improvements instead of waiting for private American contractors to arrive.’ (Washington Post, 29 July 2003, p. A01)

‘When the 2nd Brigade arrived, the prevailing view among U.S. commanders was that the attacks were being conducted almost exclusively by Hussein loyalists who had the support of other residents... Over time, the brigade’s officers came to realize Fallujah was more traditional than Baathist. Much of the animosity toward U.S. forces was driven by perceived slights of tribal and religious traditions. Several people here said attempts to search women prompted so much humiliation for male relatives that some of them joined the mobs throwing rocks and shooting at U.S. convoys.’ (WP, 29 July)

It seems that much of the resistance is revenge for unpunished and uncompensated US killings, not a Saddamist conspiracy.



http://www.j-n-v.org/AW_briefings/JNV_briefing047.htm

and then there is always my favorite, Robert Fisk

http://www.zmag.org/CrisesCurEvts/Iraq/robert_fisk.htm

along with Dahr J. and Rahul M ( www.empirenotes.org )

THE ROVING EYE
From Guernica to Fallujah
By Pepe Escobar

"It's difficult to believe that in this day and age, when people are blogging, emailing and communicating at the speed of light, a whole city is being destroyed and genocide is being committed - and the whole world is aware and silent. Darfur, Americans? Take a look at what you've done in Fallujah."
- Female Iraqi blogger Riverbend


http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Middle_East/FL02Ak02.html




:cry:

done right now will surface. It is certain to go down in history as one of the most tragic deadly blunders of all time.

10 or 20 years from now.

We'll have more in common, today, with
1935 than 2015.

While news sources are divided between either concealing
or exaggerating the number of those killed in Iraq,
other important statistics about US soldiers are forgotten.
These statistics give a shocking picture about the truth of what
is happening in Iraq.

http://uruknet.info/.?p=m8632

While the Tsunami from Hell has been pre-occupying all of OZ lately Iraq has definately taken a back seat over here - even amongst our independent media. However the war continues and even the official DOD numbers slipped out recently are surely causing some concern in America???? 10,300 wounded, 1,341 killed in just 21 months is surely ringing something!!!!!!
The announcement by the Iraqi Intelligence Chief (i.e Porter Goss's equivalent) that the Guerillas could number 200,000 and their better armed than the US Army and Marines surely must concern someone in America!!!
The election "must" happen and Sistani "must" win or the Shiites will rise up with the Sunni's must be troubling "The Bush Gang" because it will be an absolute massacre - thats a US massacre!!!! I suppose this fact is heavily underreported in the US media, but believe me it will happen and the US people will eventually know about it - maybe by 2006! Just in time for your mid-term elections hopefully!
I rang my good friend the other day and he still has not heard from his cousin in the Oz Special Forces in Fallujah. He's not overly concerned however so i'll stay unconcerned as well as this guy often "just pops up" when you least expect it. But as soon as we get contact with him i'll post his observations on the Fallujah battle.