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Khephra (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-06-05 10:03 AM Original message |
Atheist Joins Others to Sue Over Pledge |
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livinginphotographs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-06-05 10:05 AM Response to Original message |
1. As an atheist... |
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trotsky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-06-05 10:49 AM Response to Reply #1 |
16. Exploiting her how? |
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livinginphotographs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-06-05 11:07 AM Response to Reply #16 |
29. I was raised atheist, and know how cruel kids can be towards |
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trotsky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-06-05 11:14 AM Response to Reply #29 |
34. So let me get this straight... |
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livinginphotographs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-06-05 11:38 AM Response to Reply #34 |
43. You are more than free to fight your battles yourself. |
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fshrink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-06-05 09:51 PM Response to Reply #43 |
192. He's not by himself. And the girl won't be either. nt |
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jobycom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-06-05 11:23 AM Response to Reply #29 |
36. Fear of public reprisal |
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Zhade (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-07-05 02:16 AM Response to Reply #29 |
218. Yes, appeasement always works so well. |
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renaissanceguy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-07-05 02:53 AM Response to Reply #29 |
226. It's not an excuse. |
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piece sine (931 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-07-05 07:26 AM Response to Reply #16 |
241. huh?? |
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trotsky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-07-05 01:42 PM Response to Reply #241 |
263. Really? |
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Angelique (67 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-07-05 07:51 PM Response to Reply #241 |
298. Newdow's exploitation of his daughter is vile, vulgar and immoral.. |
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bobbyboucher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-14-05 12:57 PM Response to Reply #298 |
386. What utter horseshit. |
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ProudToBeBlueInRhody (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-06-05 02:38 PM Response to Reply #1 |
137. I understand the sentiment of exploiting his daughter |
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Cheswick2.0 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-06-05 08:36 PM Response to Reply #137 |
173. It has been established in the past that she doesn't want to be part of |
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pokercat999 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-06-05 09:24 PM Response to Reply #1 |
184. Next time you get in the car |
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livinginphotographs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-07-05 08:24 AM Response to Reply #184 |
244. Next time you post here... |
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stopping by (12 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-07-05 12:58 PM Response to Reply #184 |
261. Just an observation |
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goddess40 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-06-05 10:07 AM Response to Original message |
2. Good for him |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-06-05 10:10 AM Response to Original message |
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oneighty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-06-05 10:14 AM Response to Reply #3 |
5. Keeping religion |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-06-05 10:22 AM Response to Reply #5 |
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oneighty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-06-05 10:38 AM Response to Reply #6 |
9. VFW |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-06-05 10:42 AM Response to Reply #9 |
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oneighty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-06-05 10:53 AM Response to Reply #11 |
19. Thank you for thanking me! |
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iam (453 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-06-05 10:44 AM Response to Reply #6 |
13. You're post illuminates the problem |
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trotsky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-06-05 10:52 AM Response to Reply #6 |
18. "I want to win elections, not piss people off." |
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Zhade (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-07-05 02:19 AM Response to Reply #18 |
219. Pretty sure THAT guy's candidates are already "winning". |
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MichaelHarris (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-06-05 10:29 AM Response to Reply #5 |
7. I'm all for |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-06-05 10:34 AM Response to Reply #7 |
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MichaelHarris (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-06-05 10:42 AM Response to Reply #8 |
10. some |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-06-05 10:44 AM Response to Reply #10 |
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MichaelHarris (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-06-05 10:53 AM Response to Reply #14 |
20. For some |
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pokercat999 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-06-05 09:30 PM Response to Reply #10 |
186. But that's just the problem. |
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Zhade (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-07-05 02:29 AM Response to Reply #10 |
220. The moment you can name an "anti-religion" group, you'll have a point. |
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jobycom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-06-05 11:19 AM Response to Reply #7 |
35. I can't express how completely I disagree with you |
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Tyrone Slothrop (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-06-05 11:28 AM Response to Reply #35 |
38. I agree. All victories are good. |
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pokercat999 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-06-05 09:33 PM Response to Reply #38 |
187. Agreed, give em hell....eom |
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Bouncy Ball (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-06-05 09:37 PM Response to Reply #38 |
188. Agreed, Tyrone. |
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MichaelHarris (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-06-05 11:33 AM Response to Reply #35 |
39. raising your kids begins at home |
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goddess40 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-06-05 11:51 AM Response to Reply #39 |
49. It isn't that easy - it's the reaction to the not saying it that matters |
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MichaelHarris (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-06-05 11:57 AM Response to Reply #49 |
53. I would sure like to get my hands |
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jobycom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-06-05 12:00 PM Response to Reply #53 |
57. Geeze, so you're going to sue some first graders for harrasing another |
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MichaelHarris (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-06-05 12:06 PM Response to Reply #57 |
62. I didn't introduce the word |
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jobycom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-06-05 12:44 PM Response to Reply #62 |
82. Yeah, that method works so often |
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MichaelHarris (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-06-05 12:51 PM Response to Reply #82 |
85. I'm not forcing it to be said at all |
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jobycom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-06-05 01:15 PM Response to Reply #85 |
98. Yes you are |
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MichaelHarris (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-06-05 01:25 PM Response to Reply #98 |
103. What I am saying is |
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jobycom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-06-05 01:44 PM Response to Reply #103 |
109. It's an officially sanctioned Pledge, we aren't talking about peer pressur |
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MichaelHarris (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-06-05 01:56 PM Response to Reply #109 |
113. but you don't have to say it |
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jobycom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-06-05 02:13 PM Response to Reply #113 |
124. That's very weak |
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MichaelHarris (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-06-05 02:30 PM Response to Reply #124 |
132. actually all I'm trying to say is |
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Bouncy Ball (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-06-05 09:42 PM Response to Reply #113 |
190. BULLSHIT no law forces you to say it! |
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Zhade (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-07-05 02:48 AM Response to Reply #62 |
225. "What legal punishment did they have to endure for not saying it?" |
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Cheswick2.0 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-06-05 08:41 PM Response to Reply #57 |
175. oh come on...first graders are too busy picking their noses during |
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goddess40 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-06-05 12:06 PM Response to Reply #53 |
61. My son's have been physcially and verbaly attacked for 10 years |
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MichaelHarris (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-06-05 12:11 PM Response to Reply #61 |
64. And you have a case |
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sybylla (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-06-05 12:25 PM Response to Reply #64 |
71. She should file a legal complaint so people can say |
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MichaelHarris (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-06-05 12:41 PM Response to Reply #71 |
80. she has a case |
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sybylla (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-06-05 12:57 PM Response to Reply #80 |
88. It was the policy of the school district |
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MichaelHarris (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-06-05 01:00 PM Response to Reply #88 |
89. Could I please get a copy of |
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goddess40 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-06-05 12:41 PM Response to Reply #64 |
79. So kids that have parents that aren't both capable and willing to defend |
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Moe Levine (64 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-06-05 11:22 PM Response to Reply #79 |
199. What would Jefferson Say? |
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StrongbadTehAwesome (623 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-07-05 12:50 AM Response to Reply #199 |
208. let's see, what DID Jefferson say? |
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Moe Levine (64 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-07-05 11:41 AM Response to Reply #208 |
256. What would Jefferson Say? |
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saltpoint (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-08-05 03:03 PM Response to Reply #208 |
347. I appreciate very much your -- |
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proud2BlibKansan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-06-05 05:33 PM Response to Reply #49 |
158. Not so |
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jobycom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-06-05 11:58 AM Response to Reply #39 |
54. Absolutely, completely, totally wrong in every way |
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MichaelHarris (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-06-05 12:20 PM Response to Reply #54 |
69. you speak as if they are forced to say it |
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jobycom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-06-05 12:57 PM Response to Reply #69 |
87. Again, the issue isn't whether she says it or doesn't |
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pop goes the weasel (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-06-05 02:29 PM Response to Reply #69 |
131. they are forced to say the pledge |
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Bouncy Ball (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-06-05 09:44 PM Response to Reply #69 |
191. It's a state law in Texas, I keep trying to tell you |
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sybylla (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-06-05 12:05 PM Response to Reply #39 |
59. Yeah, you have the mother of all cases, but you are also now the |
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jobycom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-06-05 12:14 PM Response to Reply #59 |
67. No applause to Bigotry |
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MichaelHarris (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-06-05 12:30 PM Response to Reply #59 |
76. I truly take offense at being called a bigot |
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sybylla (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-06-05 12:40 PM Response to Reply #76 |
78. No where in my post did I say |
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MichaelHarris (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-06-05 12:44 PM Response to Reply #78 |
81. maybe I misunderstood |
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GOPFighter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-06-05 01:14 PM Response to Reply #39 |
97. Would you support... |
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MichaelHarris (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-06-05 01:41 PM Response to Reply #97 |
106. Sure as I have said many times in this thread |
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renaissanceguy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-07-05 02:56 AM Response to Reply #97 |
227. How about what it was originally... |
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arwalden (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-06-05 01:43 PM Response to Reply #39 |
107. "The Christian Family Loses"???? Oh Brother! |
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MichaelHarris (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-06-05 01:48 PM Response to Reply #107 |
110. What is the solution then |
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arwalden (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-06-05 02:02 PM Response to Reply #110 |
117. The Solution Is To Remove It From The Official Pledge |
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MichaelHarris (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-06-05 02:11 PM Response to Reply #117 |
122. Well then lets |
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Az (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-06-05 02:17 PM Response to Reply #122 |
126. Secular is not atheistic |
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arwalden (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-06-05 02:32 PM Response to Reply #122 |
134. Michael |
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Az (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-06-05 02:23 PM Response to Reply #110 |
129. The real answer |
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ashmanonar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-06-05 08:43 PM Response to Reply #110 |
176. how about... |
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StrongbadTehAwesome (623 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-07-05 01:00 AM Response to Reply #176 |
209. " "one nation, under canada" |
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ashmanonar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-07-05 11:53 AM Response to Reply #209 |
259. heh |
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jobycom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-06-05 01:49 PM Response to Reply #107 |
111. How exactly does the Christian family lose? I'll explain it to you |
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arwalden (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-06-05 02:04 PM Response to Reply #111 |
118. Oh... I See Now! -- It's Very Clear To Me!! |
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Debs (723 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-06-05 05:15 PM Response to Reply #39 |
154. How does the Christian family lose? |
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Igel (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-06-05 07:45 PM Response to Reply #39 |
167. I went for years reciting the Pledge of Allegiance and |
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Bouncy Ball (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-06-05 09:39 PM Response to Reply #39 |
189. Why the hell should they be in there to begin with? |
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Zhade (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-07-05 02:41 AM Response to Reply #39 |
223. Oh, THAT'LL happen! |
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Zhade (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-07-05 02:33 AM Response to Reply #35 |
221. The rightwing is doing this exact thing as we speak. |
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sybylla (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-06-05 12:29 PM Response to Reply #7 |
73. "I'm all for separation of church and state, but..." |
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MichaelHarris (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-06-05 12:48 PM Response to Reply #73 |
83. It's obvious |
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MichaelHarris (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-06-05 01:12 PM Response to Reply #73 |
95. Maybe this one from the archives will help you judge me as you |
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Cheswick2.0 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-06-05 09:11 PM Response to Reply #95 |
180. Michael this is beautifully written |
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MichaelHarris (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-07-05 03:34 AM Response to Reply #180 |
231. Thank you very much |
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sybylla (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-07-05 11:51 AM Response to Reply #231 |
258. Where were you called a bigot, racist and a freeper? |
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MichaelHarris (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-07-05 02:51 PM Response to Reply #258 |
273. It's really not important |
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sybylla (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-07-05 03:42 PM Response to Reply #273 |
277. Again you accuse me |
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MichaelHarris (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-07-05 03:52 PM Response to Reply #277 |
278. Well |
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sybylla (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-07-05 04:01 PM Response to Reply #278 |
280. So rather than alert the mods to misdeeds |
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MichaelHarris (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-07-05 04:12 PM Response to Reply #280 |
281. If you feel the need to alert |
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sybylla (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-07-05 04:53 PM Response to Reply #281 |
288. My statement wasn't about alerting |
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MichaelHarris (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-07-05 05:05 PM Response to Reply #288 |
289. You |
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bloom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-16-05 11:01 AM Response to Reply #7 |
389. I think having everybody - esp. schoolchildren |
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Ian David (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-07-05 08:09 AM Response to Reply #5 |
243. What pisses me off most is this: |
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MichaelHarris (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-06-05 10:14 AM Response to Original message |
4. Not an being an Atheist |
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Malva Zebrina (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-06-05 10:45 AM Response to Reply #4 |
15. Is Newdow a Democrat? |
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MichaelHarris (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-06-05 10:53 AM Response to Reply #15 |
22. Dunno |
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aikido15 (637 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-06-05 10:51 AM Response to Reply #4 |
17. Yeah? What if,... |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-06-05 10:57 AM Response to Reply #17 |
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MichaelHarris (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-06-05 10:59 AM Response to Reply #17 |
26. thousands and thousands |
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aikido15 (637 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-06-05 11:40 AM Response to Reply #26 |
45. I disagree... |
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MichaelHarris (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-06-05 11:54 AM Response to Reply #45 |
50. Personally I could care less |
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outergeorge (31 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-06-05 11:43 AM Response to Reply #17 |
46. The constitution guarantees |
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TahitiNut (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-06-05 01:16 PM Response to Reply #46 |
99. That's a viewpoint expressed by Joe Lieberman ... |
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Az (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-06-05 02:01 PM Response to Reply #46 |
116. Its not a question of majority or minority |
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livinginphotographs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-06-05 02:18 PM Response to Reply #46 |
127. The majority is not supposed to rule the minority either |
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jobycom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-06-05 02:35 PM Response to Reply #46 |
135. Actually, that's completely untrue |
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Debs (723 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-06-05 05:32 PM Response to Reply #46 |
157. I believe you misread the first amendment |
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StrongbadTehAwesome (623 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-07-05 01:06 AM Response to Reply #46 |
210. protection of minority rights != minority rule |
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WilmywoodNCparalegal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-06-05 10:43 AM Response to Original message |
12. Under Zeus |
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goddess40 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-06-05 10:54 AM Response to Reply #12 |
23. not saying "under god" isn't an option for most kids |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-06-05 10:56 AM Response to Reply #23 |
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MichaelHarris (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-06-05 11:03 AM Response to Reply #23 |
27. Why not instruct your |
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livinginphotographs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-06-05 11:09 AM Response to Reply #27 |
31. Being punished by your peers |
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MichaelHarris (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-06-05 11:11 AM Response to Reply #31 |
33. have there been reports of that? |
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livinginphotographs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-06-05 11:37 AM Response to Reply #33 |
42. Not reports from the media... |
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Igel (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-06-05 07:57 PM Response to Reply #42 |
169. Really? How did they find out? |
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livinginphotographs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-07-05 08:34 AM Response to Reply #169 |
245. I was found out because in first grade |
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goddess40 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-08-05 11:24 AM Response to Reply #169 |
337. The kids listen for it these days since it's a hot topic |
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goddess40 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-06-05 11:55 AM Response to Reply #33 |
52. Both of my boys have had problems over this |
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Ariana Celeste (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-06-05 03:42 PM Response to Reply #33 |
151. Jesus Christ dude, you really think we DONT get ostracized? |
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goddess40 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-06-05 04:09 PM Response to Reply #151 |
152. not only does it get you noticed when the staff point you out |
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Ariana Celeste (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-06-05 04:44 PM Response to Reply #152 |
153. Thanks... I dropped out of school because |
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progressoid (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-07-05 03:53 PM Response to Reply #153 |
279. Congrats for sticking to your beliefs... |
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livinginphotographs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-07-05 08:59 AM Response to Reply #151 |
249. Sounds about right. |
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renaissanceguy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-08-05 04:19 PM Response to Reply #151 |
348. Same thing happened to me. |
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jobycom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-06-05 11:35 AM Response to Reply #27 |
40. Have you heard how the teach the Pledge these days? |
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aikido15 (637 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-06-05 11:48 AM Response to Reply #40 |
47. This is what I mean... |
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Torque67 (32 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-06-05 12:29 PM Response to Reply #47 |
74. Teach them to say |
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MichaelHarris (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-06-05 11:49 AM Response to Reply #40 |
48. Certainly I haven't advocated silence in any way |
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aikido15 (637 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-06-05 11:58 AM Response to Reply #48 |
55. Tolerance by all sides? |
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MichaelHarris (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-06-05 12:02 PM Response to Reply #55 |
58. so we cannot have peace |
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aikido15 (637 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-06-05 12:11 PM Response to Reply #58 |
65. All I am saying is.... |
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MichaelHarris (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-06-05 12:13 PM Response to Reply #65 |
66. It would solve the problem for you but |
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aikido15 (637 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-06-05 12:29 PM Response to Reply #66 |
75. Yes..I could see your point if.... |
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MichaelHarris (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-06-05 12:37 PM Response to Reply #75 |
77. Let me ask you |
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aikido15 (637 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-06-05 01:01 PM Response to Reply #77 |
90. Yes, as a matter of fact... |
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Princess Turandot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-06-05 09:01 PM Response to Reply #90 |
178. I'm only commenting on the issue of baseball & 'God Bless America'.. |
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Az (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-06-05 01:10 PM Response to Reply #77 |
93. Pressure not punishment |
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jobycom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-06-05 01:59 PM Response to Reply #77 |
115. I am punished by having my rights taken away |
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0007 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-07-05 07:03 AM Response to Reply #77 |
239. It offends me because it is so unnecessary to have the pledge |
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ProudToBeBlueInRhody (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-06-05 02:51 PM Response to Reply #66 |
144. I would buy this argument if....... |
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PassingFair (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-07-05 12:17 AM Response to Reply #66 |
203. Your argument here is just so silly... |
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ProudToBeBlueInRhody (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-06-05 02:48 PM Response to Reply #58 |
142. The right has made it clear they have no interest in tolerance |
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Debs (723 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-06-05 05:50 PM Response to Reply #58 |
159. Absolutly they can |
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jobycom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-06-05 12:24 PM Response to Reply #48 |
70. You have too. |
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aikido15 (637 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-06-05 01:07 PM Response to Reply #70 |
92. I'm done... |
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aikido15 (637 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-06-05 01:12 PM Response to Reply #92 |
94. I'm talking about ... |
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jobycom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-06-05 01:20 PM Response to Reply #94 |
101. Nod |
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aikido15 (637 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-06-05 01:30 PM Response to Reply #101 |
105. Looks like our suspicions were.... |
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MichaelHarris (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-06-05 01:43 PM Response to Reply #105 |
108. I'm still here |
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aikido15 (637 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-06-05 02:07 PM Response to Reply #108 |
119. Sorry...but you certainly |
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MichaelHarris (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-06-05 02:17 PM Response to Reply #119 |
125. you too |
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aikido15 (637 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-06-05 05:20 PM Response to Reply #125 |
155. It's unpleasant to see... |
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Rhiannon12866 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-16-05 11:11 AM Response to Reply #108 |
390. Of course you're not. Good to see you, Michael |
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ProudToBeBlueInRhody (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-06-05 02:46 PM Response to Reply #40 |
141. That's actually just a bi-product....... |
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goddess40 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-06-05 11:54 AM Response to Reply #27 |
51. a very good case for what |
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livinginphotographs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-06-05 11:08 AM Response to Reply #23 |
30. Exactly. |
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jmowreader (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-06-05 11:04 AM Response to Reply #12 |
28. I believe in give-and-take |
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livinginphotographs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-06-05 11:10 AM Response to Reply #28 |
32. Sounds good. |
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aikido15 (637 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-06-05 11:35 AM Response to Reply #32 |
41. Both of you have good ideas! |
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jobycom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-06-05 11:39 AM Response to Reply #28 |
44. Well, there is that little issue of the Constituion and the law... |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-06-05 11:59 AM Response to Reply #44 |
56. Deleted message |
jobycom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-06-05 12:10 PM Response to Reply #56 |
63. Red Herring |
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arwalden (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-06-05 01:20 PM Response to Reply #63 |
100. Yes Indeed... It's Endorsing Deity Belief. And So Is "In God We Trust" |
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Igel (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-06-05 08:26 PM Response to Reply #63 |
170. A correction to your phrasing. |
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Solon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-06-05 12:17 PM Response to Reply #56 |
68. It doesn't, it says that the government may not establish religion... |
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Moe Levine (64 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-06-05 11:41 PM Response to Reply #44 |
201. Would Madison Object to the Pledge? |
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StrongbadTehAwesome (623 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-07-05 01:28 AM Response to Reply #201 |
212. time to switch founding fathers now? |
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Moe Levine (64 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-07-05 11:53 AM Response to Reply #212 |
260. Avoidance of the Question |
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outergeorge (31 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-07-05 04:35 PM Response to Reply #212 |
283. Does anybody know what this quote says |
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Az (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-07-05 04:45 PM Response to Reply #283 |
285. Here from the infidels |
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Bono71 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-06-05 10:53 AM Response to Original message |
21. What I want to know is, how many angels can dance on the head |
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Commie Pinko Dirtbag (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-06-05 11:24 AM Response to Reply #21 |
37. More than Roy Moore and his big pet rock? (nt) |
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Bono71 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-06-05 12:06 PM Response to Reply #37 |
60. No, the answer is 10. Jesus told me. n/t |
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bobbyboucher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-06-05 02:37 PM Response to Reply #21 |
136. Wrong. |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-06-05 11:27 PM Response to Reply #21 |
200. Deleted message |
AndyTiedye (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-06-05 12:26 PM Response to Original message |
72. Noone Should Be Forced to Profess a Faith |
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Az (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-06-05 12:51 PM Response to Original message |
84. The clause was put in to be deliberately exclusionary |
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Ed C. Finley (59 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-06-05 12:52 PM Response to Original message |
86. Don't really have a problem getting rid of |
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teenagebambam (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-06-05 01:02 PM Response to Original message |
91. Any Jehovah's Witnesses here? |
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Freddie Stubbs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-10-05 10:25 AM Response to Reply #91 |
369. The Jehovah's Witnesses in my school would just stand in silence during |
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LWolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-11-05 09:18 AM Response to Reply #369 |
382. This is what they do in my district. |
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SKKY (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-06-05 01:13 PM Response to Original message |
96. Tell you what Mr. Newdow... |
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goddess40 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-06-05 01:25 PM Response to Reply #96 |
102. so parents shouldn't defend their children's rights? |
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jobycom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-06-05 01:28 PM Response to Reply #96 |
104. Actually, that's exactly what he's trying to achieve |
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Az (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-06-05 02:12 PM Response to Reply #96 |
123. Are you saying he has no interest in the beliefs of his daughter? |
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bobbyboucher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-06-05 02:39 PM Response to Reply #96 |
138. Describe his agenda, please. |
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SKKY (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-07-05 11:43 AM Response to Reply #138 |
257. His agenda, as I see it... |
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PassingFair (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-07-05 12:27 AM Response to Reply #96 |
205. My daughter has BEGGED me... |
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StrongbadTehAwesome (623 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-07-05 01:33 AM Response to Reply #205 |
213. isn't any objection to "under God" a religious one? |
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Rhiannon12866 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-16-05 10:43 AM Response to Reply #205 |
388. Wow. It sounds like you also have some issues with this |
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hughee99 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-06-05 01:49 PM Response to Original message |
112. How many children have converted to some religion |
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goddess40 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-06-05 01:57 PM Response to Reply #112 |
114. It isn't about kids being converted |
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Behind the Aegis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-06-05 02:09 PM Response to Reply #114 |
120. that's sad |
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MichaelHarris (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-06-05 02:22 PM Response to Reply #120 |
128. if people don't like you for you beliefs then |
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goddess40 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-06-05 02:55 PM Response to Reply #128 |
146. They had been good friends for over two years |
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MichaelHarris (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-06-05 03:04 PM Response to Reply #146 |
149. my best friend in Seattle is an |
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hughee99 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-06-05 02:31 PM Response to Reply #114 |
133. Not according to Newdow... |
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Igel (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-06-05 08:32 PM Response to Reply #133 |
172. Isn't the girl's mother, who has custody, Xian? |
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Az (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-06-05 08:38 PM Response to Reply #172 |
174. Yes she is |
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hughee99 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-07-05 12:29 AM Response to Reply #172 |
206. I believe that this is the case. |
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Caution (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-07-05 09:57 AM Response to Reply #133 |
253. This is much more fundamental than conversions |
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PassingFair (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-08-05 11:11 PM Response to Reply #253 |
361. You NAILED it, Caution! |
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hughee99 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-10-05 11:23 AM Response to Reply #253 |
370. As I have said on many posts... |
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Az (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-06-05 02:09 PM Response to Reply #112 |
121. A simple test |
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MichaelHarris (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-06-05 02:24 PM Response to Reply #121 |
130. dunno but the better question would be |
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Az (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-06-05 02:45 PM Response to Reply #130 |
140. I don't think we will be able to do a real world test of this |
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MichaelHarris (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-06-05 02:58 PM Response to Reply #140 |
147. I've seen prayer at both |
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Az (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-06-05 03:00 PM Response to Reply #147 |
148. Prayers are fine |
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StrongbadTehAwesome (623 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-07-05 01:45 AM Response to Reply #130 |
214. you clearly don't get it - there are other negative repercussions |
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Caution (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-07-05 10:00 AM Response to Reply #130 |
254. So some teacher should put his/her career at risk? |
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Debs (723 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-06-05 06:00 PM Response to Reply #112 |
160. How in the world |
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hughee99 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-06-05 06:18 PM Response to Reply #160 |
161. What exactly is he protecting his daughter from? |
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goddess40 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-06-05 06:32 PM Response to Reply #161 |
162. the abuse that is doled out to nonbelievers |
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hughee99 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-06-05 06:42 PM Response to Reply #162 |
163. That's not it. |
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Az (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-06-05 08:31 PM Response to Reply #163 |
171. Oh for crying out loud |
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AliciaKeyedUp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-06-05 09:25 PM Response to Reply #171 |
185. Tons of people get attacked for things they say or do |
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PassingFair (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-07-05 12:38 AM Response to Reply #185 |
207. To be fair, on even numbered days... |
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AliciaKeyedUp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-07-05 06:42 AM Response to Reply #207 |
235. Not fair at all |
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PassingFair (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-07-05 09:09 AM Response to Reply #235 |
250. Of course it would be fair! |
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AliciaKeyedUp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-07-05 05:49 PM Response to Reply #250 |
292. We have this thing called majority rule |
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Az (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-07-05 05:53 PM Response to Reply #292 |
293. We also have these things called the Constitution and the Bill of Rights |
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AliciaKeyedUp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-08-05 12:12 AM Response to Reply #293 |
301. And those rights aren't absolute either |
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Az (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-08-05 12:52 AM Response to Reply #301 |
305. Not expunging it from the public square |
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AliciaKeyedUp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-08-05 04:27 AM Response to Reply #305 |
311. Changing the status quo |
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Az (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-08-05 04:45 AM Response to Reply #311 |
320. There is no legally compelling reason for it |
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AliciaKeyedUp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-08-05 05:00 AM Response to Reply #320 |
324. There is a reason for it |
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Az (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-08-05 05:02 AM Response to Reply #324 |
326. Insomniac |
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StrongbadTehAwesome (623 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-13-05 01:22 AM Response to Reply #324 |
384. but there is a huge difference between allowing someone to express |
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StrongbadTehAwesome (623 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-13-05 01:20 AM Response to Reply #311 |
383. but the status quo WAS changed before |
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Zhade (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-11-05 12:06 AM Response to Reply #292 |
373. "We have this thing called majority rule..." |
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StrongbadTehAwesome (623 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-07-05 01:49 AM Response to Reply #185 |
215. it was wrong to change the pledge to include those words |
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AliciaKeyedUp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-07-05 06:43 AM Response to Reply #215 |
236. Most of us would not agree with you |
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progressoid (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-07-05 03:38 PM Response to Reply #236 |
276. Actually it's "in God we trust" |
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AliciaKeyedUp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-08-05 12:13 AM Response to Reply #276 |
302. You don't have to trust God |
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Az (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-08-05 12:53 AM Response to Reply #302 |
306. And the majority needs to follow the constitution |
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AliciaKeyedUp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-08-05 04:30 AM Response to Reply #306 |
313. We are following it |
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Az (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-08-05 04:47 AM Response to Reply #313 |
321. You are free to express whatever you want |
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AliciaKeyedUp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-08-05 05:02 AM Response to Reply #321 |
325. The government doesn't choose one religion over another |
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Az (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-08-05 05:07 AM Response to Reply #325 |
329. Its not just about atheism |
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progressoid (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-08-05 03:18 AM Response to Reply #302 |
310. How would the majority be harmed exactly? |
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Az (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-08-05 04:29 AM Response to Reply #310 |
312. I am reminded of a rather ugly incident |
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AliciaKeyedUp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-08-05 04:37 AM Response to Reply #310 |
315. If you choose to be silent |
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progressoid (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-08-05 09:18 AM Response to Reply #315 |
330. right, so |
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AliciaKeyedUp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-08-05 10:33 AM Response to Reply #330 |
333. If you CHOOSE to be a pariah I don't intend to stop you |
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progressoid (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-08-05 11:56 AM Response to Reply #333 |
338. Wow.... I mean, wowee. |
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Commie Pinko Dirtbag (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-14-05 12:47 PM Response to Reply #333 |
385. The same argument could have been made to justify the KKK. |
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mutus_frutex (469 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-17-05 09:42 PM Response to Reply #333 |
392. This post exemplifies what I've been saying for a long time: |
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Cobalt Violet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-09-05 09:11 PM Response to Reply #185 |
367. It was written without the words "under god" in the first place. |
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hughee99 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-07-05 02:35 AM Response to Reply #171 |
222. I never said that it doesn't happen |
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AliciaKeyedUp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-07-05 06:44 AM Response to Reply #222 |
237. He is using her |
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LeftyMom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-06-05 06:55 PM Response to Reply #161 |
164. It validates and lends an air of officialdom and normality |
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hughee99 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-06-05 07:04 PM Response to Reply #164 |
165. I was not aware that the term "god" was gender specific... |
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LeftyMom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-06-05 07:28 PM Response to Reply #165 |
166. Well it has a feminine counterpart |
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hughee99 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-06-05 07:45 PM Response to Reply #166 |
168. I always thought of "god" like "actor" |
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ashmanonar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-06-05 09:11 PM Response to Reply #166 |
179. even in the hebrew faith god is called Yahweh... |
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Debs (723 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-07-05 02:12 AM Response to Reply #161 |
217. How about being disengenuous |
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hughee99 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-07-05 02:47 AM Response to Reply #217 |
224. An excellent reason... |
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ProudToBeBlueInRhody (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-06-05 02:41 PM Response to Original message |
139. "Under God" was politically correct for the 50's.......discuss! |
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MichaelHarris (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-06-05 02:49 PM Response to Reply #139 |
143. Not me |
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Az (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-06-05 02:54 PM Response to Reply #143 |
145. Can I get that boot back please? |
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MichaelHarris (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-06-05 03:08 PM Response to Reply #145 |
150. hahahahaha |
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Ian David (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-06-05 05:30 PM Response to Original message |
156. The fundies wanted to "preserve" the pledge |
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ashmanonar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-06-05 09:15 PM Response to Reply #156 |
181. wow... |
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Igel (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-06-05 09:56 PM Response to Reply #156 |
196. I may be wrong, but I don't think he ever |
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AlbizuX (322 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-06-05 08:52 PM Response to Original message |
177. can someone tell this guy to LET IT GO? |
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lcbart (93 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-07-05 08:39 AM Response to Reply #177 |
246. If he believes in what he's doing.... |
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Princess Turandot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-06-05 09:16 PM Response to Original message |
182. I'm curious about something, related to atheists with young children.. |
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Bouncy Ball (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-06-05 09:53 PM Response to Reply #182 |
194. Why would atheists not celebrate Christmas??? |
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Princess Turandot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-06-05 10:01 PM Response to Reply #194 |
197. I'm glad that I amused you. |
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Bouncy Ball (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-06-05 10:22 PM Response to Reply #197 |
198. It would make atheists HYPOCRITES to celebrate Christmas? |
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Princess Turandot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-06-05 11:44 PM Response to Reply #198 |
202. I'm asking a question.. |
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Bouncy Ball (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-07-05 12:27 AM Response to Reply #202 |
204. Um, I DO have children |
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Princess Turandot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-07-05 01:27 AM Response to Reply #204 |
211. LOL |
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livinginphotographs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-07-05 08:54 AM Response to Reply #211 |
248. I'll answer. |
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Princess Turandot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-07-05 09:10 PM Response to Reply #248 |
300. It was a serious question.. |
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livinginphotographs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-08-05 10:15 AM Response to Reply #300 |
331. I celebrated xmas growing up with it just being about exchanging gifts |
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sybylla (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-07-05 05:20 PM Response to Reply #202 |
290. I'm sure it's akin to xtians who don't do Santa Claus |
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sybylla (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-07-05 05:32 PM Response to Reply #197 |
291. Christmas no more makes hypocrites of atheists than of xtians |
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StrongbadTehAwesome (623 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-07-05 01:55 AM Response to Reply #182 |
216. I see what you're driving at here. |
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Az (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-07-05 03:50 AM Response to Reply #182 |
233. It depends on the individual |
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lcbart (93 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-07-05 08:43 AM Response to Reply #182 |
247. Christmas stopped being religious... |
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Commie Pinko Dirtbag (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-07-05 02:25 PM Response to Reply #182 |
270. Why the quotes around winter? Do you live in the Southern hemisphere? |
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Deja Q (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-06-05 09:19 PM Response to Original message |
183. 'UNDER GOD' was never in the pledge until fascist sicko McCarthy whined & |
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Bouncy Ball (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-06-05 09:52 PM Response to Original message |
193. Let's think about some things here: |
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renaissanceguy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-07-05 03:00 AM Response to Reply #193 |
228. I think it happened nationwide. |
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Behind the Aegis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-07-05 03:05 AM Response to Reply #193 |
229. almost as bad |
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AliciaKeyedUp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-07-05 06:45 AM Response to Reply #229 |
238. Then don't recite it |
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livinginphotographs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-07-05 11:09 AM Response to Reply #238 |
255. Not easy for a young child who is going to be ostracized by his peers |
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arwalden (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-07-05 01:49 PM Response to Reply #255 |
264. Are The "So-Don't-Recite-It" Folks Missing The Point On Purpose? Or... |
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Behind the Aegis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-07-05 01:54 PM Response to Reply #264 |
265. they are not missing the point |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-07-05 02:07 PM Response to Reply #264 |
267. Deleted message |
chimpy the poopthrower (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-07-05 07:59 PM Response to Reply #267 |
299. Does that include all the Christians on DU... |
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livinginphotographs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-08-05 10:21 AM Response to Reply #299 |
332. I'm sorry if it offends you |
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Behind the Aegis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-08-05 02:43 PM Response to Reply #299 |
345. self-delete |
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Commie Pinko Dirtbag (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-07-05 02:28 PM Response to Reply #264 |
271. I am 100% convinced it IS on purpose |
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Behind the Aegis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-07-05 02:43 PM Response to Reply #271 |
272. hmmm...I wonder |
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Zhade (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-11-05 12:48 AM Response to Reply #271 |
375. I doubt that... |
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Zhade (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-11-05 12:45 AM Response to Reply #264 |
374. Yes? Or else they don't believe in the Constitution. |
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Behind the Aegis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-07-05 01:32 PM Response to Reply #238 |
262. Well, oh wise one |
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AliciaKeyedUp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-08-05 12:16 AM Response to Reply #262 |
303. No one has ever made me say it or sign it |
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Az (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-08-05 12:55 AM Response to Reply #303 |
307. You are not everyone |
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AliciaKeyedUp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-08-05 04:40 AM Response to Reply #307 |
316. I think it would depend on the job |
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Az (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-08-05 04:43 AM Response to Reply #316 |
318. Seperation of Church and State covers that |
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AliciaKeyedUp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-08-05 05:03 AM Response to Reply #318 |
327. That depends on whether Caesar demands it of them |
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Az (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-08-05 05:05 AM Response to Reply #327 |
328. Rephrasing |
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AliciaKeyedUp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-08-05 10:35 AM Response to Reply #328 |
334. I largely agree with you there |
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Zhade (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-11-05 12:51 AM Response to Reply #334 |
376. The government is not allowed to stipulate that. |
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Behind the Aegis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-08-05 01:41 AM Response to Reply #303 |
309. You haven't but thousands have |
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AliciaKeyedUp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-08-05 04:43 AM Response to Reply #309 |
319. A public institution |
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Az (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-08-05 04:53 AM Response to Reply #319 |
323. To the institution yes |
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AliciaKeyedUp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-08-05 11:20 AM Response to Reply #323 |
336. What about court? |
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Behind the Aegis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-08-05 01:58 PM Response to Reply #336 |
342. Why not?! |
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goddess40 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-08-05 02:27 PM Response to Reply #336 |
344. yes I would |
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Behind the Aegis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-08-05 02:02 PM Response to Reply #319 |
343. That is different |
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Commie Pinko Dirtbag (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-07-05 09:25 AM Response to Reply #193 |
251. Now I wish I was a teacher in Texas |
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Bouncy Ball (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-07-05 04:45 PM Response to Reply #251 |
286. Believe me, the ACLU is just waiting for that. |
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ckramer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-06-05 09:55 PM Response to Original message |
195. Let's pull a chair and grab a beer! |
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eagler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-07-05 03:06 AM Response to Original message |
230. And you wonder why the Dems keep losing? |
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Az (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-07-05 03:54 AM Response to Reply #230 |
234. I've watched Dems pick battles for 20 years now |
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Tight_rope (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-08-05 04:32 AM Response to Reply #230 |
314. Amen....To that statement... |
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Zhade (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-11-05 12:55 AM Response to Reply #230 |
377. While ignoring the violation of the 1st Amendment? |
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auntAgonist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-07-05 03:41 AM Response to Original message |
232. kick |
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annabanana (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-07-05 07:21 AM Response to Original message |
240. "Pledging" to cloth is idolatry.. |
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Ian David (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-07-05 08:03 AM Response to Reply #240 |
242. I had one teacher who used to walk out of the room during the pledge |
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Rob H. (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-07-05 02:22 PM Response to Reply #242 |
269. He might've been a Jehovah's Witness |
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goddess40 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-07-05 07:32 PM Response to Reply #242 |
296. they'd get fired here in Wausau WI |
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LWolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-07-05 09:37 AM Response to Original message |
252. I hope they are successful; but it is just a piece of the issue. |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-07-05 01:55 PM Response to Original message |
266. Three comments |
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arwalden (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-07-05 02:12 PM Response to Reply #266 |
268. Did Ya Here That Everyone? You Can Go Home Now... |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-07-05 04:22 PM Response to Reply #268 |
282. It's always a great comfort to see how accepting people on DU are |
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Az (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-07-05 04:41 PM Response to Reply #282 |
284. A teacher is an authority figure |
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AliciaKeyedUp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-08-05 12:18 AM Response to Reply #284 |
304. Life has pressure |
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Az (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-08-05 12:58 AM Response to Reply #304 |
308. Yep |
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AliciaKeyedUp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-08-05 04:41 AM Response to Reply #308 |
317. And they aren't telling you to say the pledge either |
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Az (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-08-05 04:51 AM Response to Reply #317 |
322. Yes they are |
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bobbyboucher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-14-05 01:22 PM Response to Reply #322 |
387. Don't waste your finger movements. |
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LWolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-11-05 09:10 AM Response to Reply #284 |
381. It all depends on the teacher, doesn't it? |
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Bouncy Ball (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-07-05 04:46 PM Response to Reply #282 |
287. In Texas, teachers and administrators are required by LAW |
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arwalden (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-08-05 11:57 AM Response to Reply #282 |
339. Huh? |
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PittPoliSci (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-11-05 01:55 AM Response to Reply #282 |
380. Schools in Pennsylvania can. |
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Zhade (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-11-05 12:58 AM Response to Reply #266 |
378. So a blatant violation of the 1st Amendment is now "petty"? |
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Az (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-07-05 03:21 PM Response to Original message |
274. Clarification of objections |
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Maat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-07-05 05:56 PM Response to Reply #274 |
294. Well put, Az! |
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Commie Pinko Dirtbag (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-07-05 06:46 PM Response to Reply #274 |
295. I said it once, and I'll say it again: |
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arwalden (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-08-05 11:09 AM Response to Reply #274 |
335. File...Print. File...Save As C:\My Documents\DU\AZ\PledgeObjection.html |
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Donkeyboy75 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-08-05 12:28 PM Response to Reply #335 |
341. Allen, |
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livinginphotographs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-08-05 10:42 PM Response to Reply #274 |
355. Not like the pro-"under god" people will read your post |
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MHalblaub (153 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-10-05 03:41 PM Response to Reply #274 |
371. From a far side |
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Zhade (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-11-05 01:03 AM Response to Reply #274 |
379. "...laws to protect the minority from the callousness of the majority." |
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progressoid (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-07-05 03:23 PM Response to Original message |
275. Christians should oppose the pledge too... |
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BonjourUSA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-07-05 07:47 PM Response to Reply #275 |
297. Any citizen should do |
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Bouncy Ball (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-08-05 11:18 PM Response to Reply #275 |
362. As a Christian I object to the under God part because |
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Freddie Stubbs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-08-05 12:03 PM Response to Original message |
340. Paging Senator Byrd... |
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saltpoint (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-08-05 02:52 PM Response to Original message |
346. Michael Newdow is one of the Persons of the Year -- |
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sleipnir (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-08-05 09:47 PM Response to Original message |
349. One of Khephra's last great threads. |
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TheEconomist (68 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-08-05 09:52 PM Response to Original message |
350. NOT good for us... |
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livinginphotographs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-08-05 10:43 PM Response to Reply #350 |
356. Clinton also signed DOMA. |
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LiviaOlivia (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-08-05 10:00 PM Response to Original message |
351. RIP Khephra. You ruled LBN. |
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DoveTurnedHawk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-08-05 10:02 PM Response to Original message |
352. Only Fitting To Post to Kef's Memory Here |
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PartyPooper (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-08-05 10:12 PM Response to Original message |
353. Good Bye, Khephra. We'll sure miss you around here! |
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bpilgrim (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-08-05 10:20 PM Response to Original message |
354. Farewell My Friend... Khephra's most recent posts... |
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livinginphotographs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-08-05 10:45 PM Response to Reply #354 |
357. Um, what happened? |
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LiviaOlivia (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-08-05 10:48 PM Response to Reply #357 |
358. See link below |
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livinginphotographs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-08-05 10:51 PM Response to Reply #358 |
359. That's awful. |
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Bluebear (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-08-05 11:04 PM Response to Original message |
360. I will miss you friend. DU will never be the same. |
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gardenista (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-09-05 12:11 AM Response to Original message |
363. Kick for Khephra |
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gardenista (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-09-05 12:39 AM Response to Reply #363 |
364. . |
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deadparrot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-09-05 01:00 AM Response to Original message |
365. I suppose I think the entire concept of a pledge of allegiance is stupid. |
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Misunderestimator (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-09-05 08:31 PM Response to Original message |
366. kick |
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Scout (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-09-05 11:22 PM Response to Original message |
368. kick |
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FarLeftRage (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-10-05 10:59 PM Response to Original message |
372. For Kheph |
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Jamastiene (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-17-05 08:12 PM Response to Original message |
391. I wish the Supreme Court would decide |
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