More than 30 pilot whales beach themselves in N.C.

http://www.charlotte.com/mld/observer/news/local/10656772.htm

NAGS HEAD, N.C. - Dozens of whales beached themselves early Saturday in rough surf and by afternoon at least 17 were confirmed dead, a spokeswoman for the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration said.

The whales were stranded across a five-mile stretch of the coastline near Oregon Inlet on the Outer Banks.

Laura Engleby, a spokeswoman for NOAA, said pilot whales commonly beach themselves, "but we don't know why."

Engleby said at least 22 whales beached themselves and 17 of them died, including five that were euthanized because they were suffering.

"We suspect there are more than 30," she said. "The thing that makes it confusing is that the sea conditions have been fluctuating, making it difficult to account for all of them."


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on the NE coast recently?
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They just got word W was going to be president for another four years!

They decided to ram us.

..Could it be from the shifting of cold and warm waters.......could it be from sonor on subs....this happened several times in Austraila before the big quake and tsunami a month ago too....don't find it humorous in the very least...here's some links to the beachings last month...

http://www.abc.net.au/news/australia/tas/summer/200412/s1273160.htm

Tuesday, 28 December 2004. 13:36 (AEDT)
Beached whales all female
Wildlife officers have discovered the whales which stranded on Tasmania's west coast are all female.

The 20 adult sperm whales died on Ocean Beach near Strahan.



Whale toll rises: second pod found dead
November 29, 2004

http://www.smh.com.au/news/National/Whale-toll-rises/2004/11/29/1101577386835.html?oneclick=true

A second pod of whales offshore from the site of a mass beaching on King Island in Bass Strait has died, officials said.

The 17 pilot whales were confirmed dead by wildlife officers this morning, taking to total toll of dead whales and dolphins to 97 in the past 24 hours, Tasmanian Department of Primary Industry, Water and Environment spokesman Warwick Brennan said.

A mixed pod of long-finned pilot whales and bottle-nosed dolphins beached on the remote Sea Elephant Beach, north of Naracoopa, yesterday.

Rescuers counted the bodies of 55 whales and 25 dolphins by this morning.

There were no further survivors in the area, Mr Brennan said.

Meanwhile, 50 pilot whales have reportedly beached on Maria Island off Tasmania's east coast, a government spokesman said.





More whales found beached
December 01, 2004

http://theaustralian.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,5744,11550321%5E30417,00.html

Just a day after more than 100 whales and dolphins died in two incidents in Tasmania, a pod of 73 long-finned pilot whales was found on Opoutere Beach, on the Coromandel Peninsula southeast of Auckland.

Two or more strandings a week are occurring in New Zealand waters, said University of Tasmania researcher Karen Evans.

When locals discovered the pod on Monday morning, 52 whales had died. Volunteers pushed 20 surviving animals out to sea, said John Gaukrodger, Hauraki area manager with the New Zealand Department of Conservation. Researchers from the University of Auckland took skin samples from the dead animals and will share genetic information with Tasmanian experts to help determine if the incidents are related.



http://theaustralian.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,5744,11550321%5E30417,00.html

Active low frequency sonar...

is not only blasts whales with 140db of sound (and that is
such a large wave underwater, in air it would blow out your
eardrums if within the 20-20k Hz range)

It's strongly suspect is destroying the radar portion of the
whales and dolphins causing them to becoming confused and
they cannot navigate and beach themselves.

http://www.commondreams.org/headlines01/0618-03.htm

What kills me is this is a really stupid system...proving to me
once again the government has no clue on how to obtain and
design engineering projects.

There is NO reason to use this technology when one could passively
design a system that would do that same thing.

Basically they blast a mega wave of sonar to map out the sea floor
as well as anything in the sea..this blast will show where everything is...

but the acoustics of the sea can tell them the exact same information
without have to blast the sea with a 140db jumbo wave of destruction.


but if they just used passive and worked with that technology
they could achieve the same thing and not bother the whales either.

And it makes me very angry, because whales and dolphins are wonderful creatures. I wonder what effect this sonar would have on scuba divers, and if the Navy is testing that too. Remember when the government/military exposed civilians and enlisted personnel to chemicals in water and air supplies, without their consents? In the present political environement, when torture is approved, I think govt./military likely to start their little clandestine experiments again.

we don't have sonar capabilities with our senses.

It is ridiculous for they could be studying these sophisticated natural
systems...

but I'm quite serious there is no reason to blast the sea floor
with a mega wave of low frequency sonar.

That's what pisses me off...this is just poor engineering, poor design..
and do they even contemplate fixing that?

No way.

There was a massive weather front with 9 foot seas and 30kt+ winds right when this happened. Messed up my trip. The closest sub base is in Virginia. That area is to shallow for subs to operate.

Most Subs use passive (listening sonar). Active sonar gives away their location. Navy divers have worked around subs for fifty years. Sonar arrays on ships and subs do not need to be very powerful to transmit a wave through a very dense substance like water.

ULF transmissions would be a better tin foil hat target than standard sonar. But the navy has used them for 30 years.

The old people who live on the outer banks talk about whales beaching themselves every now and again for many years.

....never once question the repercussions and ramifications of their actions...yet we're left to live in the wastes of what was once a true garden...raping the wonderous gifts of flora and fauna...along with all the other awesome beings we've had the pleasure of sharing this big blue marble with... we leave in our ignorant destructive wake... :cry:

either explodes/implodes their ear canals, brains, organs; or the bursts of sound so startling that they head for the surface too rapidly and die of bends, just like a diver surfacing too quickly.

Bastards....they know damn well how destructive this technolgy, but they continue with it inspite of all of the death to dolphins and whales, who are highly evolved, sentient, and cause ZERO harm to man.

People need to monitor and challenge this...it is so deadly and horrific.

is 50 years old. Because of computers the sonar on ships and subs is less powerful (output wise) than it was 20 years ago. Water does not compress so it does not take massive pulses to create a wave in water.

It's human's fault.

December 15, 2004
http://www.bizjournals.com/boston/stories/2004/12/13/daily34.html

Raytheon wins $29.7M Navy sonar deal

Boston Business Journal

Raytheon Co. said today it won a $29.7 million contract to build a sonar system for U.S. Navy helicopters to use to detect and counter underwater threats.


Raytheon's Tewksbury-based Integrated Defense Systems will do the work at the company's Naval Integration Center in Portsmouth, R.I.

The contract is for 10 AN/AQS-22 airborne low-frequency sonar systems, which will be used on the U.S. Navy's MH60R multi-mission helicopters. The sonar system is the helicopter's primary undersea warfare sensor and is used for submarine detection, tracking, localization, classification, acoustic intercept, underwater communication and environmental data collection.

Raytheon (NYSE: RTN) will manufacture, test, integrate and support the systems. The contract for 10 systems follows an earlier low-rate initial production contract for four systems, which Raytheon delivered ahead of schedule.

http://www.earthrainbownetwork.com/Archives2005/WritingWall35.htm

Subject: Letter to the US Government

Dear Legislators, Congresswomen/men, Senators and Governors:

Does the United States of America have secret weapons of mass destruction in addition to all those we already know about? I write this letter to ask you, what has our government been doing and what is it doing now; then ask yourselves, is this possible? Due to the recent turn of events, I demand a full account of what is being developed by our country for defensive—or offensive—purposes. As an American, I have a right to know what is being produced by the USA, especially when one considers the sophisticated weaponry available today and the various seemingly "natural" disasters that have recently occurred.

What happens with all the secret projects that utilize dangerous technology, especially those developed that can influence the weather, or more specifically those that could create earthquakes? What happened to the patents developed that utilize H.A.A.R.P.? Are these technologies being used by the USA to create catastrophic earth events with a hidden agenda? How many other patents are pending in the United States government that are based, for instance, on Tesla's discoveries, and is this type of technology being kept from the public? Since this technology was originally designed to help people, not destroy countries, why haven't these patents been released by the government? I need to know if our government has been using this technology to create weather changes, and more specifically to create hurricanes or earthquakes. I request, as a citizen of this country, that there be an investigation into the weaponry that is being developed and used by the government of the United States of America.

Additionally, there must be an investigation into the Low Frequency Active (LFA) Sonar equipment that is sometimes used by the United States government in the oceans worldwide because I believe that the SURTASS LFA Sonar continues to kill the whales and dolphins in our seas. The extremely loud underwater low-pitched sounds of this technology makes them "beach" themselves because they are forced to escape from an environment with a sound frequency that is too intense for their sensitive hearing. We need an immediate investigation into America's weaponry to assure people around the world that we do not have weapons of mass destruction in our arsenals, and to protect our valuable sea creatures on this planet.

As members of the United States government who stand for truth and justice, please respond to this request as soon as possible.

http://vialls.net/subliminalsuggestion/tsunami.html
The atmosphere of co-operation between India and the United States/India seems to have cooled lately, however, with India's decision to join up with China, Russia, and Brazil in a new alliance known as BRIC, which effectively will include three-quarters of the world's population and presents a real challenge to the USA's status as the only remaining superpower. Despite the huge significance of this new alliance, the formation of BRIC has been completely ignored by the mainstream media up to now.

Evidence of some tension between India and USA/Israel is evident in the manner the Indian government has behaved towards the USA and Israel since the disaster. Sri Lanka and India have refused to allow US warships carrying thousands of troops to disembark on their territory, and India is going so far as to publicly refuse all foreign aid, aid which would have put India in hock to the IMF for the next few decades. Israel also offered to send in the IDF to "assist in relief efforts" but the offer was turned down politely by Sri Lanka. 

What is becoming apparent is that the US is certainly using the tsunami aftermath as a "window of opportunity" for bolstering the it's military presence in Southeast Asia, and treating the relief operation as a military exercise. Joe Vialls asserts that the tsunami was caused by the detonation of a nuclear weapon of some kind by the US, assisted by Australia, and that "the Indian Government knew full well that this was not a Œnormal‚ earthquake. On 27 December India refused to join George Bush's planned exclusive 'club of four' nations to supervise the relief operations, which would have effectively pulled this Asian nuclear power out of its new BRIC alliance, which now includes Venezuela, Cuba and Iran, who has also formed a covert alliance with Iraq. On 28 December the Indian Government politely warned the American military to stay clear of Indian sovereign territory, and on 29 December the India Daily Editorial publicly questioned the nature of the event: "Was this a showdown by a country to show the region what havoc can be created?" ... "Given the level of devastation and given the fact India is a regional power in South Asia, Indian Navy has an obligation to investigate and tell the world what they found."(snip)

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RNEP is a modification of the B61-11 being tested at Diego Garcia, the U.S. military base in the Indian Ocean. If you read the attached papers, you will see that they attempt to argue around the ban on nuclear testing because the B61-11 was developed before the moratorium.

CRS Report: Robust Nuclear Earth Penetrator Budget Request and Plan, FY2005-FY2009
http://64.177.207.201/static/wmd/pdf/20040310_crs_rnep.pdf
Here is a brief excerpt of this second report...

(...) Nuclear earth penetrator weapons burrow into the ground some tens of feet before detonating, greatly increasing their ability to destroy hardened underground targets. RNEP is at present a study, begun in May 2003, of modifications to convert existing B61 the study, NNSA – a semiautonomous agency in the Department of Energy (DOE) responsible for nuclear warheads – is in charge of studying modifications of specific RNEP is controversial. Supporters argue that it is needed to attack hard and deeply buried targets (such as leadership bunkers or WMD production facilities) in countries of concern, thereby deterring or defeating such nations; critics reply that RNEP would lower the threshold for use of nuclear weapons and prompt other nations to develop nuclear weapons to deter U.S. attack.

his tin foil hat I believe.

The b61 mod 11 is a 200kt dial a yield thermonuclear device designed to kill buried hard targets. Its use on land would create a massive radiological event. The B61 has been around since the 50's - 60's. It is part of the arsenal.

We detonated large (500kt+) bombs underwater in testing and the fingerprint is clear. The SUBROC system was developed from this testing and was decommed in the 90's.

Any suggestion of the use nuclear weapons in the tsunami has no foundation in science. I suggest "The Core" for entertainment purposes only.

Or is that your opinion?

But my father worked as a physicist for the government (sandia) on the nuclear programs for thirty years. I taught university level physics (mechanical and nuclear) for several years. I have a basic understanding of the topic I'd say.

The weaponry is not classified and information on the US arsenal past and present is available online. Information about past sonar systems is also available. I would assume currently deployed sonar information is classified beyond basic information.

of expertise, but IMHO , as a long term dolphin researcher , these beachings are highly suspect plus the massive amounts of money going into projects that very few have access to. The truth is that so much is happening in violation of the environment, and their assaults seem to be without concern for any living being, and without any accountability. Better to keep an open mind.

PROJECT WOODPECKER now  used to alter the earth's magnetic field-Modify Weather
Posted: 1/10/2005 10:53:40 PM
Author: http://rense.com/general61/wwodp.htm
"PROJECT WOODPECKER pertains to the "Electron Cyclotron Resonance Heating Method" now being used to alter the earth's magnetic field---inorder to modify weather, create or trigger earthquakes and volcanoes, spread viruses, create the phenomenom known as "electromagnetic pulse", and, to modify behavior control among the populous. "
Project Woodpecker
By Cal
1-9-5

In the Tulsa World (1-11-94), there was a small article entitled: "C It said this: "The Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory won an award. The staff is very proud. The award is on display. But, they can't say what the honor was for. It's a secret. .Its 21 member "Project Woodpecker" team was cited. It won the Intelligence Community Seal Medallion. That's an award from the CIA and National Security Agency. The citation says the award was for solving complex problems."
 
PROJECT WOODPECKER pertains to the "Electron Cyclotron Resonance Heating Method" now being used to alter the earth's magnetic field---inorder to modify weather, create or trigger earthquakes and volcanoes, spread viruses, create the phenomenom known as "electromagnetic pulse", and, to modify behavior control among the populous. The HAARP (i.e. High Frequency Active Auroral Research Program) transmitter site, that is located NE of Gakona, AK, is large enough to cover most of the Northern Hemisphere. It is however but one of other such sites (some of which are known as "Ionospheric Research Instruments") scattered around the world. And, many of them here in the U.S. are able to tie into the much smaller GWEN (i.e. Ground Wave Emergency Network) remotely controlled transmitter sites that have been built all over the U.S. in a grid pattern, with their antennas spaced about every 200 miles or so.
 
The original research concerning the "Electron Cyclotron Resonance Heating Method" was done by Nickola Tesla, and later expanded upon by not only Soviet scientists, but also by U.S. scientists, such as Bernard J. Eastland---a scientist who was associated with ARCO (Atlantic Richfield Oil Co.). ARCO has traditionally been controlled by members of the CFR (i.e. Council on Foreign Relations). Eastland, who was the "front man", now resides in TX. He transferred the patent rights to APTI, Inc. (i.e. ARCO Power Technologies Industry, Inc.) in the late 1980s, which was a Los Angeles, CA subsidiary of ARCO. APTI, Inc. then sold out to "E-Systems" on June 10, 1994, which company has pretty much, over the years, been under the control and influence of the CIA. On April 3, 1995, "E-Systems" sold out to the still larger Raytheon Corp. I don't know what has happened, by way of "transfers" since that time.
 
 
(snip)

Not knowing anything about this issue, I found lots of information on the LFA sonar problem with a quick google.

Here is a somewhat older National Resources Defense Council (NRDC) web page (7/04), with background information on the problem. http://www.nrdc.org/wildlife/marine/nlfa.asp#act

And Here is an Earth Action NRDC web page where you can send a letter to the Navy to stop harming whales with high-intensity sonar
http://www.nrdc.org/action/ (at the bottom).

I also saw that our beloved Boxer was in charge of Congressional Oversight hearings on Navy sonar, but this was in 2001.

I am going to do some letter writing and emailing on this issue. Please help.

C4T

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