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emad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-20-03 04:32 AM
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Diana 'feared car accident plot'
Cunning former Diana butler Paul Burrel has chosen an interesting moment in time to claim that his former exployer 'feared for her life':

The UK's BBC News reports that:

Princess Diana feared the brakes of her car were going to be tampered with, 10 months before she died in a crash in Paris, her former butler has claimed. The princess allegedly wrote in a letter to Paul Burrell: "This phase in my life is the most dangerous". She reportedly named someone who was "planning an accident in my car, brake failure and serious head injury." The alleged letter, which Mr Burrell kept secret until now, has been published in the Daily Mirror. The name of the alleged person has been blacked out by the newspaper for legal reasons.

<snip>

In the alleged letter, Princess Diana reportedly believed the plot was "in order to make the path clear for Charles to marry". A French inquiry in 1999 blamed Mr Paul, concluding he had taken a cocktail of drink and drugs and was driving too fast. In August, Surrey Coroner Michael Burgess announced he would conduct inquests into the death of Diana and Mr Fayed, but did not specify a date. The inquests will be the first official public hearings in Britain to examine the circumstances surrounding the Princess's death.

Daily Mirror editor Piers Morgan said the letter, taken for a forthcoming book by Mr Burrell, was "sensational". "There has been to date, incredibly, no inquest into the death of Princess Diana and there has been no public inquiry in this country. I think Paul Burrell has watched and watched and waited and nothing has happened and he now feels that this is the time to come forward and demand those two things happen and what better way to do that than with this incredibly compelling document." While Mr Morgan said he did not know if the letter and Diana's death were connected, he said publication of the letter was in the public interest. "I believe at the very least the British public can expect after this morning's revelations an immediate announcement that there will be an inquest, not in another six year's time but right away, and we can finally get to the bottom of what may or may not have happened that night."

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http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/3206486.stm


One problem the royal coroner seems unable to tackle is the UK legal requirement for the most senior members of the royal family to be present at any public inquest conducted on a family member.

Should such a gathering be possible, previously unpublished material concerning Diana's life and death could be aired, without any contravention of the UK's draconian Official Secrets Act.

Those who do not wish to change the status quo have an avid interest in permanently stalling the whole inqust issue.

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DuctapeFatwa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-20-03 04:42 AM
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1. Diana's assasination was a tragic accident. This has been proven.

Only enemies of freedom and terrorists like Mo Fayed think otherwise.
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emad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-20-03 04:52 AM
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2. Not to mention all those 17 godchildren deprived of a slice
of Di's estate.....

and the soon to be impoverished insurance company that paid out on her death....

and the poor, hapless bookmakers who layed odds on her 'tragic, unforseen demise'.....

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Unknown Known Donating Member (829 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-20-03 11:50 AM
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18. There was never any formal inquest into her death
So saying that it was proven to be an accident is not true. Who proved it? The media? The British government? The police? A judge? Who?
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muriel_volestrangler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-20-03 12:03 PM
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22. There was a French inquiry
so if you want to prove a conspiracy, you have to include a load of French people too, who would seem to have no interest in covering something like this up, unless they were paid oodles of money. Why do something abroad when you'd have more chance of influencing things in Britain?
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Unknown Known Donating Member (829 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-20-03 12:25 PM
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28. Then why do 75% of Brits still believed she was killed?
And why should an inquiry done by the French suffice when this was the death of one of the most influential and adored members of the royal family?

Remember, Diana was a Stewart, a true bloodline. The Windsors is not their real name - changed the name in 1917 from Saxe-Coburg-Gotha because of its German connections.
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muriel_volestrangler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-20-03 04:39 PM
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42. More complete bollocks
http://cnews.canoe.ca/CNEWS/World/2003/09/01/196721-ap.html

27% believed, on 1st Sept 2003, she was murdered. Can that amount of people be that stupid? Yes. You're bound to be able to think of beliefs that at least a third of the population have, but that you consider idiotic. For example: "George Bush is doing a good job".

She was a Spencer. She may have had some Stuart ancestors, but so does the Queen - through the daughter of James the Sixth and First. If you mean that Diana was descended from James the Seventh and Second, so what? That's just a couple of generations down.

If the accident happened in France, the French are best placed to do any forensic analysis, witness interviews and so on. Why shouldn't that be enough?
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demdave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-20-03 12:03 PM
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23. Her "assasination" was an accident.......... Interesting wording.
or a Freudian slip. Funny you should want to close any discussion af this be labeling people "enemies of freedom and terrorists" if they disagree.
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DuctapeFatwa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-20-03 12:23 PM
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27. You have defied the regime. Report to Homeland Security immediately

for intensive interrogation, perhaps in a pro-Western nation like Egypt, Jordan, or Uzbekistan.
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regnaD kciN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-20-03 06:00 AM
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3. Slight problem with this theory (and the letter?)...
In the alleged letter, Princess Diana reportedly believed the plot was "in order to make the path clear for Charles to marry".

The problem with that is that it wouldn't matter if she was dead, as long as Camilla Parker-Bowles's ex-husband was still alive. Church law forbids any marriage in which either party has a former spouse still living. And, as far as I know, Camilla's ex is still alive and well, some six-plus years after Diana's death.

Furthermore, I would think that Diana would have known this beforehand. There's something fishy here...

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emad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-20-03 06:28 AM
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5. Perhaps she thought he would marry Kylie, or Britney, or
some other bimbette without an 'ex' to worry about....
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Merlin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-20-03 09:51 AM
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15. "Clear the path" means in the public's mind, not the church's
Diana was incredibly popular in England and throughout the world. No way Charles could have remarried without risking very serious repercussions that could even have brought down the monarchy.
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izzie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-20-03 06:26 AM
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4. Now I believe she did believe this.
I do think this girl who never grew up thought the world moved around her. She was sort of fun to read about and very nice looking but I never thought she had a thinking brain in in her head. Her heart ruled all.
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BiggJawn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-20-03 07:36 AM
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6. Afraid of her car, but not of her driver being "toasted"...
Doesn't make sense.

"I'm afraid i'm gonna die in a car wreck, so let's jump in the Benz (I got Shotgun!) and the belt will wrinkle my dress, so of COURSE I won't bother with it... And Paul's not too drunk? good, and let's drink really fast in traffic to ditch these photgs..."

Poor girl's worth more dead than she was alive. At least for SOME people....
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Matilda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-20-03 08:02 AM
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7. Mmm... and how would "they" know which car
she'd be riding in at any time on any given day? Or would "they"
simply arrange to "fix" the brakes on every possible car in every
possible place on a given day just to make sure?

Is this Diana being paranoid, or her butler trying to make sure
of his book sales?

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emad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-20-03 08:20 AM
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8. The butler is a mega crook who is bluffing his way to the next
Edited on Mon Oct-20-03 08:24 AM by emad aisat sana
publishing deal, milking it for all its worth. Having given up his Diana 'lecture tours' on sea cruises for the elderly and infirm (where he surely speeded up death by boredom for countless septagenarians who might have otherwise lived to a riper old age but for his petulant posturings), he adopted a 'low profile' after someone firebombed his flower shop after last year's tedious UK High court trial about Di's handmedown frocks. Sadly - for some - Burrel was out at the time of the incident.

This latest letter business smells like a plant to out the man for being the serial attention-seeker and self-publicist that he is.

Compared to what the UK Special Branch of the police knows, Burrel has about 0.000001% accurate information about 'new Diana revelations'.

Compared to what the UK newspaper reading public knows about Burrell and all of this, the UK Special Branch leads by 99.9999999%
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AP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-20-03 09:18 AM
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11. By falsifying evidence (forging a letter) he'd be risking a lot for
a publishing deal. And he could sell a million books on suspicion alone, so the letter would be unneccessary.

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AP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-20-03 09:16 AM
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10. She probably mean her own, personal car which she drove herself, and not
a car she rode in in france which the hotel owned.
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AP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-20-03 09:14 AM
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9. I'd say this is a very dangerous moment for Tony Blair
I wouldn't be surprised if Diana had been killed.

This also sort of reminds me of how FDR had the FBI follow and investigate Wallance Simpson and her husband because he knew they were Nazi sympathizers (it turned out that, it seems, they were planning to take back the throne if the Nazis won the war). FDR thought they were dangerous and had them investigated.
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emad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-20-03 09:36 AM
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13. Wallis and the Duke of Windsor sued the FBI and won substantial
damages refuting this allegation. Harry S Truman upheld subsequent harassment charges that they brought against Opus Dei members trying to smear them with this nonsense.

It is a matter of public record that Hitler tried to assasinate the Duke and Duchess of Windsor because of documents they held testifying to the financial conduits that Goering and Pope Pius X11 established to bankroll fascists in Southern America as well as Europe.

The Duke of Windsor categorically renounced the UK throne because he was unwilling to accept Neville Chamberlain's appeasement of Hitler and the ensuing puppet monarchy that this would entail. He too successfully sued and won substantial damages from those alleging he ever wanted to stage any kind of comeback.

The legatee of his and Wallis's estate has all the documents attesting to this.
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Merlin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-20-03 09:49 AM
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14. If what you say is true, where are the documents?
...because of documents they held testifying to the financial conduits that Goering and Pope Pius X11 established to bankroll fascists in Southern America...
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emad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-20-03 09:56 AM
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16. They are held by the lawful legatee of The Duke and Duchess
of Windsor's estate, and held in trust for the legatee's heirs.

They have also been used in evidence before the United States Supreme Court and the UK High Court to verify cold war atrocities that were covered up by George Bush Senior when he was CIA Director.

They were authenticated by the late Harry S Truman, whose own descendants have had sight of them and know the contents.
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muriel_volestrangler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-20-03 11:54 AM
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19. doesn't sound like a 'matter of public record' to me
tell us what the court cases were. If they were public, such important cases are bound to be talked about on the internet.
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emad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-21-03 04:10 AM
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50. US Supreme Court, UK High Court, Court of Appeal and
House of Lords.

Some of these lawsuits are under a D Notice and protected by the UK Official Secrets Act, some by the US State Secrets Act.

What there actually is in the public domain is referred to in various press releases and information documents stored under Crown Estate Commissioners archives.

Other documents are in the Public Records Office in Kew, West London and accessible via an Official Authorisation that is given to written requests for information that are positively vetted by the Home Office first.

In the US some documents are held in private family archives.

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AP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-20-03 12:27 PM
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29. In what courts?
Edited on Mon Oct-20-03 12:27 PM by AP
Those two were Nazi sympathizers and FDR was right to suspect that they were up to something.

You ever wondered why the only bomb dropped on Buckingham Palace during WWII was an accident?
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emad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-21-03 04:31 AM
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51. Check post No 50 above re courts
Not only were the Duke and Duchess of Windsor NOT Nazi sympathisers, they went to court and proved that organised crime - particularly Opus Dei members - had smeared them. The damages they won were substantial. Some lawsuit papers on this topic are in the public domain, some accessible via written authority from the UK Home Office, some need US Justice Department authorisation and some held in family archives of The D and D of W's legatee. Custodians of the Harry S Truman Memorial Library and Museum also have documents relating to this business.

FDR did not "suspect they were up to something": The Duke and Duchess were close friends of Harry S Truman as anyone who has the slightest knowledge of WW11 and Cold War history will tell you. The daft FDR story is counter-intelligence to cover up Goering atrocities that were considered highly damaging both to US and UK security and which had a direct bearing on the late Queen Mother as well as various members of George Bush Sr's family. In the 1970s, some attempts were made to have these published. George Bush Sr was CIA Director at the time and quashed any attempts in the US to bring these into the open.

Ever wondered what the meaning of the term "The Special Relationship" between the US and UK means? Clue: it is not a 'concept', it is a REAL COUPLE. Solve this one and you have your answers.

Anyone who thinks that "the only bomb dropped on Buckingham Palace during WW11 was an accident" must have got their version of European history from the back of a Cornflakes packet - or is a paid-up member of Opus Dei.

You'll just have to wait for the website to be launched in time for Junior's UK state visit in November to get the full picture of the pro-fascist propaganda that has bankrolled some of the crap that has sustained myths about the House of Windsor!




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muriel_volestrangler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-21-03 11:05 AM
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55. I await the website with bated breath
In the meantime, does that mean there are no websites (reputable or disreputable), or published books, that refer to any of these court cases?

I'm confused by the stances on the bombing of Buckingham Palace. Are you saying that (a) the King and Queen were anti-Nazi, and so therefore the bomb that was dropped was not an accident, or (b) that they were pro-Nazi, but the German bombed the palace to make it look as though they were trying to kill the King to allay suspicion, or (c) what?
AP, if you read this, can you make your position on this clear too? Your sentence seems to imply that the King and Queen were pro-Nazi, but that doesn't necessarily fit with the rest of your post.
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Noordam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-20-03 09:27 AM
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12. If the letter is from her this is big
and I am sure a lot of ppl will be checking to see if the handwriting is hers.

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Nottingham Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-20-03 01:52 PM
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32. Yes I agree
And Diana was great friends with Mother Teresa its intersting that Mother Teresa got Beatified today too when the news comes out

Plus Blair went in the hospital for Chest Pain

Pressure is building :bounce:
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maggrwaggr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-20-03 10:29 AM
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17. obviously either Karl Rove or Clinton's penis killed Diana!
Better give that butler some more money so he'll tell more
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Guaranteed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-20-03 11:57 AM
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20. Riiiiiight....
okay, fruitcake.
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Unknown Known Donating Member (829 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-20-03 12:02 PM
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21. 75% of the British public believe Diana was killed
Edited on Mon Oct-20-03 12:03 PM by Unknown Known
and there was never a public inquest into her death.

Diana was a big threat to the British establishment. She was becoming a viable political opposition. Tony Blair was in "talks" with Diana a month before her death. Was he planning to give Diana a position in his govt? Can you imagine what a threat that would have been to the Windsors and British establishment.

Prince Phillip's connections to the military and intelligence is well known. I have no doubt this was an assassination.

If Diana married Dodi (whose uncle is Adnan Khoshoggi) and had a child, the future King of England, William, would have an Arab as a half-brother. If you don't believe that, coupled with Diana's growing political strength, wasn't enough to get rid of her, then you don't know much of your history regarding the British establishment.
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muriel_volestrangler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-20-03 12:08 PM
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24. complete balls
Diana a position in govt? No. Laughable in the extreme. Even she would have found that absurd.

Why would an Arabic half-brother affect William? If anything, a marriage to Fayed would just separate Diana more from the royal family, and lessen her influence.

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roguevalley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-20-03 10:34 PM
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46. marrying a muslim would have been the deal breaker for Queenie and
the rest.

The handwriting appears to be genuine.

Poor damned girl. I was sorry to see her go. She was getting
somewhere with the land mine business.
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emad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-21-03 04:36 AM
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52. Diana also went to the see the Clintons in the White House
just before her tawdry holiday in the S of F with her coke fiend boyfriend Dodi.

I don't expect any former butler, footman, under-footman, sous-chef or palace bottom-wiper is going to tell the UK tabloid press that he is about to publish letters between Diana and Chelsea Clinton, do you????
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noonwitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-20-03 12:15 PM
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25. I've always thought her death was suspicious....
But I don't necessarily believe every conspiracy theory about it. I have a friend who thinks that the queen had it done because she didn't want Diana to marry an arab.
I read "Richard III" and believe that royals are capable of just about anything to get a throne, even though it's now really just an empty title with lots of money, but no real power. I feel bad for her kids, having to always suspect dad and grandmum of killing their mother, but yet still required to have relationships with them.

When Chuck and Di got divorced, I told one of my royalty fan friends that Diana should just take the kids and come here, and ask for asylum. Clinton was President, he probably would have helped her. My friend said that the children "belong" to the british people. I said they belong to themselves, and they'd be better off on this side of the pond, far away from those inbred idiots that the british seem so attached to that they continue to subsidize their extravagant lifestyle that they (the royals) never have to work a day to earn.
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Aries Donating Member (544 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-20-03 12:22 PM
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26. Apparently more than 80 percent of the British think she was murdered
Edited on Mon Oct-20-03 12:23 PM by Aries
according to Wolf Blitzer just now on CNN. Interesting...and it appears there is no doubt that it was her handwriting on the prediction. Now, what are the blacked-out words on the note? Will it depend on whether the leakers in the U.K. are as skilled and as motivated as those "unnamed Bush administration" officials?

Edit: changing "killed" to "murdered" in the subject line
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Unknown Known Donating Member (829 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-20-03 12:37 PM
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30. Fayed believes that Prince Philip ordered her assassination
Edited on Mon Oct-20-03 12:37 PM by Unknown Known
Mohamed Al Fayed was attacked yesterday for making "venomous inventions" in Neil Hamilton's high court libel action, after he accused the Duke of Edinburgh of murder, said the former Tory cabinet minister Michael Howard had taken a £1m bribe and claimed to have paid Mr Hamilton more than £100,000 for parliamentary services.

"They are above the law, they can do anything. Let Prince Philip sue me, then I will go through everything. Let MI5, MI6 sue me: they are above the law, they killed my son."


http://www.guardian.co.uk/hamilton/article/0,2763,195652,00.html

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Nottingham Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-20-03 01:23 PM
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31. WOW WOWEE! This is INCREDIBLE WOW!
Burell has always said he has been afraid for his life because of what he knows

the letter has to be incredible evidence that Diana feared for her life

and now with the realization of the convenient Death Of Kelly

The British people's mistrust of Blair it becomes more obvious
that Diana's death was swept under the rug

:bounce: Amazingly the videotape recording of the tunnel she was killed in shows nothing of Diana's death although 10 minutes prior it caught a speeder on it earlier

She was killed there is no doubt :bounce:
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AP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-20-03 03:10 PM
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39. Putting on the tin foil hat --
Edited on Mon Oct-20-03 03:10 PM by AP
How does this reflect poorly on Blair? The death happened in France. To investigate publicly in the UK you're asking that they go after the royal family with almost no evidence.

And I get the impression that the authorities are now looking for a way to look into this now that the evidence is out there. So "sweeping under the rug" how?

In fact, that this happened OUTSIDE the UK would suggest that they didn't trust that they could cover it up if they did it in the UK, if it was a murder.
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emad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-21-03 04:43 AM
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53. "Almost no evidence"
The fact that they have studiously avoided any coroner's inquest is one of many, many pointers showing just how much evidence there is. The trouble with the whole business is, thre's never just one cockroach: you can't swipe at one without resorting to dealing with the whole nest.

To do that means Tony and Cherie and their whole Opus Dei coterie of organised crime down the same penal pan as the 95% of the House of Windsor.

The trouble with apologists who post like you is that it merely highlights the profound and deeply held ignorance that many prefer to cocoon themselves with.
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Momof1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-20-03 11:24 PM
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48. I heard that all video recorders all over Paris
didn't "work" that night for some reason, they worked before and after, but NOT on that night....hhhmmmm, and there was no need to fix them cause they were completely operational the day after.
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Aries Donating Member (544 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-20-03 02:00 PM
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33. Interesting CNN article and poll
Edited on Mon Oct-20-03 02:04 PM by Aries
Diana and the Conspiracy Theory

Excerpt:

"...RODGERS: Wasn't she an obstacle perceived to be at war with the monarchy?

ARBITER: She was a great believer in the monarchy. She worked hard for the monarchy the 15 years she was doing the job. She wasn't at war with the monarchy, she might have been at odds with certain individual members of the royal family..."


Was Princess Diana's death an accident?
(included in the above link)

Currently:
41% No 1972 votes
59% Yes 2798 votes
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gauguin57 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-20-03 02:21 PM
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34. for god's sake ...
Let the poor woman rest in peace. Her death was the result of a drunk driver, no seatbelts (that makes me crazy!) and French medical procedure of trying to treat her in an ambulance (she'd have had a better chance of survival if she'd been taken right to the hospital).

I do think Diana was treated shabbily by the monarchy. But y'know what ... in the grand scheme of things ... who gives a rat's ass about this? Monarchies make me sick. Throw the bums outta the palaces, cut off their allowances ... make 'em work for a living. Freaking parasites.

And we don't need a flurry of media attention over more DIANA stories -- taking attention away from the evil deeds of those lying sacks of poop in the Bush Administration. To quote Chandler Bing on "Friends": BIG PICTURE, PEOPLE!

Leave this story to the tabloids and Larry King.
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Aries Donating Member (544 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-20-03 02:34 PM
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36. "Freaking parasites."
I agree with you there x(
And who knows, this story may help to "throw the bums outta the palaces", as you say.

Although the big picture is a matter of one's point of view.
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Undemcided Donating Member (225 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-20-03 02:22 PM
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35. No way.
If she was so scared of a car accident then why didn't she even bother to wear her seat belt? If she had worn it she would be alive today. :shrug:

http://www.cnn.com/WORLD/9709/05/crash.analysis/
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Unknown Known Donating Member (829 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-20-03 02:36 PM
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37. Why do we swallow the "official" story that she wasn't wearing a seatbelt?
Edited on Mon Oct-20-03 02:37 PM by Unknown Known
We continue to swallow anything told us. If she was concerned for her life as the letter purports, then there had probably already been an attempt on her life and many threats.

And I disagree that this is not an important story. This goes to the very depths of British power structure which has always and continues to influence the American establishment. They have aligned themselves for ages.

The BFEE always pridefully claims there heritage from British monarchy. These people really do believe they are chosen by God to rule the masses. The BFEE has shown it's disdain for the Constitution in so many ways throughout the past century. Should we be surprised when King George acts like a King instead of a President when he has been nurtured in a world similar to Prince Charles?

Americans just don't get it!
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gauguin57 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-20-03 03:05 PM
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38. tabloid photo re: seatbelt
I remember seeing the last tabloid photo taken of Diana through the window of the car during the wild ride through Paris. I seem to remember I noticed there was no seatbelt on her at that time.
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Undemcided Donating Member (225 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-20-03 03:20 PM
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40. We 'swallow' the story because she wasn't wearing a seatbelt.
Fact.
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Adenoid_Hynkel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-20-03 04:31 PM
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41. who cares?
Diana was a pampered royal who basically made a living from the british taxpayers by being payed to look down on everyone, as all royals do. she was so much the 'people's princess' that she insisted on the right to keep doing this after splitting with ol' chuck.

not that i'm glad she's dead or anything, but the level of sainthood that's been bestowed on this shallow princess by the media is absurd. in my opinion, mojo nixon got it exactly right in his brilliant 'Drunk Divorced Floozie (The Ballad of Diana Spencer)'

and to concoct elaborate plots and schemes about the circumstances of her death is even more absurd.

i highly doubt there's a conspiracy here. she was a figurehead. she held no political power. she wasn't in on any inside info that would require her to be 'offed'.
what purpose would it serve for the british govt to conspire with the paris police inestigators to do this?

remember when people came up with conspiracy theoriesfor just the important things?

this is just a former employee trying to cash in. much like the folks who 'suddenly remember' bill clinton having 43 people killed in arkansas and sell their story to falwell's documentary crew.
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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-20-03 04:45 PM
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43. If she was really afraid of this
she would have written a "letter to be opened after death" and put in into a safety deposit box...and mailed the key to the press..

Giving it to her butler soounds suspiscious to me..

I really wish people would just let her rest in peace :(..

it must be very painful for her sons to have this stuff dreddged up over and over :(

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peacetalksforall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-20-03 08:39 PM
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44. After the collaberation on Iraq and deaths for oil...
Edited on Mon Oct-20-03 08:41 PM by higher class
I wouldn't put it past the British higher ups - they are not all lily white and have a slightly black purpose for cooperative domination which only means the higher-ups are capable of it - in my mind.

People, including people on DU, who may never rely on intuition and foretelling cannot understand that a person could gather clues that come together and form threads. EVEN THOUGH they do it ALL THE TIME on this forum.



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Matilda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-20-03 10:34 PM
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45. I wouldn't put it past the Establishment either
if there was anything to be gained by it, but I'm not sure that there was. I don't think marriage to Dodi would have gone down
well in England - his father is a very shady character - and Diana
would have been aware that the result would almost certainly have
been an estrangement from her sons. And whatever her faults, I
think she was devoted to the two boys. I suspect she enjoyed
getting up the noses of the royals by flaunting her affair with Dodi
but marriage to him would very likely have cost her too much.

The "murder" plot has largely been manufactured by Mohammed Al Fayed
principally, I believe, because he can't come to terms with (a) the
death of his son, and (b) that the death was largely a result of
some very stupid decisions taken by Dodi on that night. The major
error he made was in leaving the Ritz at all that night - they should
simply have stayed put, it was by far the most sensible thing to have
done, because there was no way they were ever going to get by the
paparazzi. If they really wanted to avoid them, they should have
stayed in, but I suspect Dodi was rather enjoying his moment of
fame. So, if I had to point a finger at anyone, I'd point it at
Dodi.

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muriel_volestrangler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-21-03 10:53 AM
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54. Well summarised
I'd just add that Mohammed Fayed may also feel guilty because it was an employee of his that was driving while over the limit.
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goforit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-20-03 11:01 PM
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47. I do belive it could be P.Charles and Q. Eliz. and G.H.W Bush....
that either separately or all together master minded this
event as one huge conspiracy.

Diana was to much a threat to Poppy with the Land minds in
Afganastan and the
Drug trade.

And Charles was psychologically obsessed with Camile his
substitute mommy dearest, where Diana was a bother.

And the Queen had been embarrassed one too many times by
Diana and her babyboy Charles.
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rman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-21-03 01:39 AM
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49. the Diana incident smells of coverup
First the paperazi were blamed.
Then supposedly the driver was found to have to much alcohol in his blood (3 times UK limit) - this was concluded before the autopsy report was done.
There is footage of the driver about an hour before the incident, where he's obviously not drunk.

Supposedly the driver also had 20% carbon monoxide in his blood. this is an extremely large amount which causes symptoms like vometing and severe lack of coordination. it would have been obvious he would be unable to drive.

The one and only independant eye witness was at first not taken seriously, then told it'd be better not to make himself known.
The other eye witness is a paperazi photographer who has connections to various intelligence agencies and who has an odd habit of taking the last photo of famous people shorlty before they die under suspicious circumstances.

The speedometer was supposedly stuck at some 190KM/hr - but according to mercedes the speedometer goes to zero on impact.

The car was going over the speed limit and thus must have been photographed just before it entered the tunnel by the camera system that is in place there.
Supposedly the camera system was defect that day, so there was no photo. However the owner of a speeding car that entered the tunnel shortly after the incident did recieve a speeding ticket with photograph. hence the camera system was operational - where's the photo of Diana's car?

It took the ambulance more then an hour to cover the distance of 3 miles between the location of the incident and the hospital. Not because there was a lot of traffic, but because it stopped several times, wasting 'the golden hour'.

The scene of the incident was not closed and thoroughly investigated, the tunnel was open the next day and the scene was cleaned up shorlty after.

this and more in
http://www.globalfreepress.com/images/wonk/wonk2/VariousMovies4/Diana.TheNightSheDied.mov
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