Americans Flock to Get on NRA Blacklist

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=573&e=4&u=/nm/blacklist_dc

LOS ANGELES (Reuters) - Most blacklists are designed to intimidate. But thousands of Americans are clamoring to join one drawn up by the National Rifle Association (NRA).

Actor Dustin Hoffman was so dismayed to find his name missing from the NRA's shadowy 19-page list of U.S. companies, celebrities, and news organizations seen as lending support to anti-gun policies that he wrote to the powerful pro-gun lobby group begging to be included. (Adds explosive device, paragraph 1, 6, easing of movement, 13)

"As a supporter of comprehensive gun safety measures, I was deeply disappointed when I discovered my name was not on the list," Hoffman wrote in a letter to the NRA that was released Tuesday.

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The NRA initially denied compiling a blacklist as such, saying it was merely responding to members wanting to know which individuals and corporations opposed the U.S. Constitution's Second Amendment on the right to bear arms.

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:D

Dustin Hoffman is so cool, and also very brave.

This has inspired me to send yet another request...I think I might begin to send one or two a day, from now on.

RC

The second amendment relates to state militias. It protects states rights from the federal government. It doesn't give individuals the right to have guns. :mad:

(BTW, I'm not against gun ownership. But I think we need to explore gun safety issues in ways that the NRA won't even consider.)

amendments in the bill of rights pertain to individuals, but the 2nd doesnt?

Just dial 911 and wait to be rescued. No need to defen yourself against bigger and badder intruders. Works for the UK and others. Why not here?

Quite often, the police don't even come (happened to me twice).

I'm not against the 2nd amendment BUT I AM DEAD SET AGAINST THE NRA!

Now why don't you 'splain where you're at?

Tut-tut

other posts from you on some threads leads me to believe you are either a disruptor or off your medication. Not being a fan of banning, I will not hit the alert button. I will leave that to others.

There's a first time for everything. Never thought I'd do it. My motivations were purely defensive, however. Being a responsible gun owner, I find this ignorant, elitist, paranoid screed to be highly offensive. It paints us all as morons.

RC

Nothing more.

I REALLY don't appreciate your 'satire' - have you ever been a victim of gun violence? Has anyone in your family been threatened by a gun-weilding nut case?

I don't think more guns are the answer!

Tut-tut

which reserves unmentioned powers to the states, yeah!

Does that mean that the power of gun ownership ISN'T reserved to the states?

Amendment II
A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed.

Seems like this, being "enumerated" binds the feds. Anything else is left to the states. Read it as often as you like, as well as the preamble to this section:

The Conventions of a number of the States having, at the time of adopting the Constitution, expressed a desire, in order to prevent misconstruction or abuse of its powers, that further declaratory and restrictive clauses should be added, and as extending the ground of public confidence in the Government will best insure the beneficent ends of its institution;

So these Amendments restrict the feds.

Whattya think?

is written to restrict the federal government. It is written to LIMIT the powers of the federal government to those enumerated in the Constitution.

Of course, it has gone way beyond the enumerated powers and needs to be reigned in.

Article X

The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.

First, the 2nd guarantees INDIVIDUALS the right to "bear" (not OWN) arms in militias. This comes out of English law which only allowed certain classes to "bear" arms or even form militias. You can make a good argument that the right to "bear" arms in a militia should extend to the right to "own" arms, but they are separate things.

As for the 2nd being the only collective right in the BoR, wrong. Freedom of the press and freedom of religion are the same types of rights, namely, they protect the rights of individuals to exercise those rights in collectives. For that matter, so does the right to assemble, since you can't protect the rights of those assembling if you dictate what the assembly may do.

Hope that clears things up. It's quite within the legitimate realm of debate to argue that since the right to "keep and bear" arms in a militia shall not be abridged that any law which prohibits ownership of desired arms for any purpose abridges the right of a citizen to be prepared to bear any arms in a militia he or she sees fit. But the amendment does not explicitly state that. It's an interpretation, though of course Bush and the NRA want to convince you it's fact.

A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.
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I would say that implict is the right to bear arms IN A MILITIA

There are two recognized forms of the militia, organized and unorganized. The organized form is the National Guard/Coast Guard, while the US Supreme Court has recognized the unorganized militia to consist of all male US citizens age 17-45. That clears things up as to the meaning of militia?

As per the 1st Amendment? How can one right in the Constitution be listed as a individual right, and the very next one after it listed as a state right?

when I first read about it here.

Hahah....I hope everyone who thinks the NRA is a political tool for the GOP does the same.

Go to their site NRA Gun Sluts and beg to be put on the list:

Here's what I said:

"How can I be added to your blacklist? I'll do anything except give you money or vote for a gun-nut! I think Michael Moore is a great filmmaker and I think Charleton Heston is lying about his Alzheimer's (made it up to cover his @ss - he is one heartless bastard)! Please add me right away - you guys are NUTS! Thanks so much"

We need to overwhelm their servers.

Tut-tut

Hello,

I understand you have compiled a list of individuals who believe in laws which ensure sane and responsible gun ownership. I am a gun owner and concure with those on your list. I request the honor of being included.

My name is ****** *****. I am a writer and artist. I've done stunt double work in made for TV productions and have acted in several films. You can see me at my best in Planes Trains and Automobiles. I'm credited as *** *** *****.

Sincerely,

****** *****
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P.S. The actual email for the GUN SLUTS aka National Redneck Association is https://secure.nraila.org/contactUs.asp The above email won't work

My mistake!

Tut-tut

Let's get all Democrats across the country to get back on the anti-gun side where we belong and we'll be sure to sweep the nation with Democratic victories in 2004!

Go anti-gun ownership platforms!!!

Just ask Nancy Reagun or James Brady. It's not a platform either...just common sense. By the way...is Brady on that list?

RC
former gun owner
recent gun purchaser

between being anti-gun and anti-NRA - such a subtle nuance would be lost on a freeper, though.

Tut-tut

How many more elections are you willing to lose because you don't understand that tormenting the NRA members is a lost cause?

Tut-tut whatever.

is the majority vote in this country?

WHOA!!!! They must be WAY underreporting their membership numbers, man.

According to these folks, there's only about 3.6 million of 'em! Heck, there's two million in prison!
http://www.packing.org/news/article.jsp/1521

Something happened with pro vs anti gun owners. I don't know if it was the NRA or the PTA but I saw an uprising. I feel any mention of restricting gun ownership of law abiding Americans is going to bite us in the ass. That's my take on it and nothing more.

what I saw in 2000 was the election being stolen by BushCo... so it was actually a backlash of voters who elected Gore: wow! Who knew?

Tut-tut yo mama!

Did you really not see the backlash against those that wanted to register and restrict gun owners? Ignorance is the downfall of most groups that seek victory from those they least understand.

It may feel good to trash an enemy but it is no replacement for victory. Sorry you can't see what I have seen.

You like guns because...? Are you a Bush supporter? Did you vote for him last time around, because he wouldn't make you register your wittle gun?

I got news for you bud: Bush is a liar - not Gore, not Saddam - Bush! I wouldn't trust Bush, if I were you.

Especially if you don't feel safe without your gun!

Tut-tut

I voted libertarian in 2000 because Bush and Gore did nothing for me.

You have no news for me bud. Bush is your boogy man - not mine.

I want a Dem that trusts me with the 2nd. Stop trying to help rule out a Dem in 2004 so I can vote for him.

one a supporter of the Neo Republican Assholes. Lobbying for laws that demand responsible gun ownership is NOT anti-gun, quite the contrary infact. I own a gun...have it registered and use it responsibly....I do not support the NRA. The idiocy of the NRA paints all gun owners as narrow minded morons. A fact which pisses me off to no end.

Does mention of restricting the automobile ownership of law abiding Americans bite anyone in the ass? No....it insures the safe use of autmobiles. Anyone who can't make that distintion is an idiot.

You really need to expand your intellectual abilities beyond the scope of pro and anti. I realize it might be difficult....then again, if you care to be taken seriously by those of us who have, it might warrent your efforts.

RC

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I've said what needed saying....Getting back to you, is not worth my time.

RC

pays $35 a year in dues. How many people contribute to MMM or Brady or the VPC?

The NRA is a powerful lobby for a reason. It's got a lot of members who're willing to put their money where their mouths are.

pay considerably higher dues than that and thier numbers constitute a hell of allot more power at the voting booth than those of the National Redneck Association. Get over it.

RC

Though they are one of the largest lobbying groups in the nation. The power of the NRA rests on the fact that something like 75-80% of all Americans agree with their basic tenets: that law-abiding citizens have a constitutional right to own firearms and that they should have greater access to them for self-defense. Just look at the past decade's worth of conceal-carry reform laws passed across the country. Can you say that the NRA alone, with only 3.6 million members, was able to get 40 states to enact CCW laws? Many people don't dwell on the small issues the NRA supports or opposes, just the basic message sent. The NRA, whether you love em or hate em, are damn good at getting their message out to large numbers of people and swaying votes among many people who are not NRA members. You tell the 75% of Americans that a particular politician is out to take away a constitutional right and the people will get upset, whether they own a gun or not.

NRA members. That which the NRA claims to fear and hate, it engages in, itself. This is a common scenario for those who erroneously assume that the rest of society operates from their own twisted frame of reference. Fortunately the rest of society does not.

A group which collects a list of the names of people it fears and encourages its members to engage in reactionary behavior against those people, is elitist, paranoid and dangerously psychotic. Particularly when this groups prime objective is the unrestricted ownership of deadly weapons.

Like I said in an earlier post....the NRA does responsible gun owners no service with it's idiotic paranoid ranting. Such behavior gives credence to the belief that gun owners are psychos. Arguments to support it do the same. So I'd ask that you refrain from your screed on this board....many of us here are responsible gun owners....WE DON'T WAN'T OR NEED WHAT YOU MISTAKENLY CONSTRUE TO BE A CLEVER SORT OF HELP! We are real Americans and believe in the power of our Constitution....sadly, niether, it would seem, apply to you.

To the mods....Feel free to delete my post if it falls outside the boundaries of posting rules. I've had enough of this shit and have responded as civilly as my conscience will allow.

RC

the large number of low-post Dem-bashers today?

n/t

Tut-tut

Thanks for standing up for what is right, Dustin!!!!

oooooo, I wanna be on the black list too!

I am now on the list...

By the way, black lists loose their terror factor when
people flock to them

"National Rifle Association Executive Vice-President Wayne LaPierre said of the list last week; "Our members don't want to buy their songs, don't want to go to their movies, don't want to support their careers."


SO, all the of the public figures whose names are NOT on the list... do we as anti-NRAers play tit for tat and not go to their movies or buy their cds or support their careers?

Meaning, we should turn this around BIG TIME. Let's target the public figurse who are NOT on the blacklist, ask why they aren't on it, and then seek to undermine their careers!

Yeah!

Let's see who can be most anti-gun ownership in the Democratic debates and then really go anti-gun during the Bush debates next Fall!

Talk about bringing out the voters! That will really get the voters out to vote against gun ownership. Why didn't we think of this before?

That would be really cool, huhuhuhu.

:puffpiece:

RC

I love Wes Clark's response to the gun control question. He said if you want to shoot an assault rifle, join the Army. "They've got lots of them," he replied.

Should we at least give them free cell phones to dial 911 if they need defended?

the old farts are that useless, throw 'em to the wolves!

(Ya read about it all the time, right?)

RC

I suggest you don't use it.

www.nrablacklist.com

Great western song that has to be the NRA theme song. FUNNY.

That bushflash guy should use that song for a flash.......

I wonder what the song is?

Unfortunately the website is pretty typical of the Brady Campaign/MMM. The two "outrages" listed are both, at the mininum, very misleading statements. I don't really see the big deal about a "blacklist", either; does anybody here support corporations or individuals that give support to causes you're against? I try not to.

The website is also a pretty typical attempt by MMM and the BC to make it appear as tho some new grassroots pro-control group has come to be. The website is "Sponsored by StoptheNRA.com", which in term is nothing more than a BC/MMM shill. Pretty sorry.

to end up hating everyone on the planet soon. They will have to live in caves by themselves pretty soon because they have boycotted the rest of the human race. Funny.

:toast: to Hoffman!!!

"I was particularly surprised by the omission given my opposition to the
loophole that makes it legal for 18- to 20-year-olds to buy handguns at
gun shows," he added.

Someone needs to give the "Raiman" a clue.

K-k-kmart B-b-b-bullets, suck.

I even got a call 3 years ago...just prior to the 2000 election...a pre-recorded message urged me to go to the polls and vote against Gore..."cuz he was going to take away the guns and rights of all 'Mericans"!

Well, DUH!!!

:nuke:

(DU doesn't have a gun emoticon...so, I had to use this one! :-))

Everyone wanted to be on it and were a bit hurt if they didn't make it. Go Hoffman! That's the way to take away the power of evil organizations.