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quaoar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-01-05 09:41 AM
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Will Bush heed his call to (jury) service?
http://www.wacotrib.com/news/content/news/stories/2005/12/01/20051201wacbushjuryduty.html

By Tommy Witherspoon Tribune-Herald staff writer

Thursday, December 01, 2005

Leading the free world during wartime and reporting for jury duty are both important public service responsibilities.

While most would agree that serving as president of the United States is more pressing than serving as foreman of a jury, McLennan County officials are waiting for Crawford resident George W. Bush, potential juror number 286, to respond to a summons to report Monday for jury duty.

"It is not uncommon that people don't respond for jury duty," said 19th State District Judge Ralph Strother, to whose court the president has been summoned. "It is unique having the president in this situation, so I have never faced this issue before and I am not sure what is going to happen. I am assuming at some point that we will hear something from somebody on his behalf."

White House spokesman Allen Abney said the commander-in-chief was not aware of the situation: "The White House has not received the summons yet."
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Lochloosa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-01-05 09:42 AM
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1. He will never show...
he would have to answer THAT question: "Have you ever been convicted of a crime?"
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flordehinojos Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-01-05 09:44 AM
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2. plus,
he would probably show himself to be the biggest asshole in that jury pool.
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mark11727 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-01-05 10:55 AM
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30. Talk about your "Twelve Angry Men..."
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oneighty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-01-05 09:45 AM
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3. Like before
the question will be blowing in the wind forever unanswered. Why? Because he can do that.

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quaoar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-01-05 09:48 AM
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4. If you were a defendant, would you want Bush sitting on your jury?
Answer: Hell no.

He would cherry pick the evidence to justify the verdict he decided on before the trial started.
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Canuckistanian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-01-05 09:52 AM
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6. Besides, he never responds to anything
Not Sheehan, not Conyers, not to any petitioner.

Why should he respond to a mere jury interview?
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Arkana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-01-05 07:09 PM
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54. Of course he'd show!
Just like he showed up at the base in Alabama in 1972. :eyes:
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Vanje Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-01-05 09:50 AM
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5. No. His job is too important to miss
He has very important work to do . Theres brush to clear in Texas.

Besides, Prospective jurists take an oath to tell the truth. bush dosnt take such oaths.

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Canuckistanian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-01-05 09:54 AM
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8. And then guess who would be in charge?
Edited on Thu Dec-01-05 09:54 AM by Canuckistanian
(shudder):scared:
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WannaJumpMyScooter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-01-05 10:04 AM
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17. you think he ain't in charge now?
who cares? let the chimp go to the jury.

hell, it might make him seem more human
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Hobarticus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-01-05 09:53 AM
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7. Would you want that asshat on YOUR jury? n/t
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hippiechick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-01-05 09:55 AM
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9. George ? Make a decision ?
Can he be trusted to be presented with evidence and really, truly make an informed and honest decision ?

I mean, look at what he did with 2001-2002 intelligence memos.


:silly:
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wordpix Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-01-05 09:55 AM
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10. I wonder how truthful this statement is:
White House spokesman Allen Abney said the commander-in-chief was not aware of the situation: "The White House has not received the summons yet."

Don't you get at least a week's notice for jury duty?
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-01-05 09:55 AM
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11. Non-issue, THIS time (as opposed to the last time, when Alberto got him
of that DWI trial when he was the guv-nuh). As Commander in Chief of the Armed Forces, he can invoke Soldiers and Sailors Civil Relief Act, and get out of it that way...I did it for decades.
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VaYallaDawg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-01-05 09:55 AM
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12. He has a long record of AWOL anyway.
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Stephanie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-01-05 09:56 AM
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13. When he got called in TX he suddenly got a new Drivers License number
Apparently he had something to hide.
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LizW Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-01-05 09:57 AM
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14. I'm sure he's never showed before
Why should this time be any different?
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marmar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-01-05 10:02 AM
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15. He'd never make it past voir dire...
because he'd ask what a French deer had to do with a jury trial?
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TlalocW Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-01-05 10:03 AM
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16. It would be cool if he did show
And then the rest of the jury didn't elect him foreman because he's a damn fool.

TlalocW
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dkofos Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-01-05 10:08 AM
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18. I think he should be handled like any other citizen.
If he does not show up, he should be held in comtempt of court.

Not that this will ever happen.

If it were you or I, we would be held in contempt.
He should not be above the law.
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rw3204 Donating Member (23 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-01-05 10:11 AM
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19. Gives him a fresh excuse...
for another vacation at his beloved Crawford "ranch."
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Enraged_Ape Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-01-05 11:58 AM
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39. BINGO!! In McLennan County, I think jury duty last 3 months.
You never know when you might get called up to serve on a panel in that time. Shrub will just have to entertain himself on the pig farm with his Jack Daniels and X-Box 360.

How conveeeeeeeeeeenient.
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KamaAina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-01-05 09:15 PM
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58. He got an Xbox 360??!!
Other people have been waiting weeks for those!

"It's good to be the king", even if it is King Dumbass**, I guess. :-)
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truthisfreedom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-01-05 10:16 AM
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20. talking point: "bush finds his exit strategy."
there's no way he's doing jury duty, even after Kerry did it last week. he's going to shirk this duty like he always has shirked his duties... he's a quitter.
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SharonRB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-01-05 10:18 AM
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21. Unlike Kerry, who served as jury foreman a few weeks ago
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zbdent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-01-05 10:19 AM
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22. In all honesty, as he is a SITTING president, I'd say he should be
excused.

It would be too much of a media spectacle.

Now, Kerry & Clinton both were selected for jury duty (Clinton after he was out of office), and it was left up to the attorneys and judges.

As I understand it, Clinton was excused, but the pros & def didn't see any problems with JFKerry in the jury.
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realFedUp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-01-05 10:26 AM
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23. Gonzalez can get him out this time for incompetence
I don't think a jury panel would even make him
jury foreman.
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AzDar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-01-05 10:27 AM
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24. I'm sure poppy can secure an excuse for him...you know, a campaign
in Alabama to "work on", or something similar. Then he will lecture every American that jury duty is a civic duty not to be ignored,and then Swiftboat those jurors who DO report.
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kskiska Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-01-05 10:29 AM
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25. The Twins are too busy, too
Strother said one of Bush's daughters, Barbara, received a jury summons for his court a month ago. Someone called to reschedule her jury service because the caller reported that she will be out of the country for the next six months, the judge said.
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RunningFromCongress Donating Member (519 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-01-05 10:31 AM
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26. he IS the POTUS...I don't think he should have to report for jury duty
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quaoar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-01-05 10:51 AM
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29. Why not?
He might learn something.
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RunningFromCongress Donating Member (519 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-01-05 11:04 AM
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32. are you seriously asking why the POTUS should be exempt from jury duty?
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quaoar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-01-05 12:08 PM
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40. Yes
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Orsino Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-01-05 12:16 PM
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42. Because--in theory---his job is already 24/7.
We don't need a judge in a local jurisdiction tying him down for weeks, or possibly sequestering him. He's (on paper) performing a higher form of civic duty, and in my opinion he should be excused.

While it could be argued that keeping * off the job is a good thing, I don't seriously believe that a sitting president should ever be distracted from his national duty by a court case that doesn't involve him. Just in case he actually felt like doing something more than reading "The Pet Goat" in response to a terrorist attack, for example.

Depose a president, or impeach him, but don't make him sit through someone else's trial--no matter how educational it might be for *.
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kskiska Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-01-05 01:22 PM
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48. Clinton's job was 24/7, too
and the SCOTUS ruled that he still had enough time on his hands to waste on Paula Jones' fraudulent lawsuit.
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Orsino Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-01-05 04:39 PM
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51. I don't object in principle to a few hours of deposition...
...or hours here and there spent with lawyers, but taking a prez offline, potentially, for weeks of sequestering is unacceptable. Chief Execs should be excused.
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apnu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-01-05 11:25 AM
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35. Are you saying that there should be a class of citizens that are exempt?
If the POTUS is exempt, then why not his cabinet? Surly the Sec. of Defense or Sec. of State has much more important things to do than sit on a jury. And what about senators, by your logic they should be exempt as well, and Congresspersons too. Plus all of their aids and paralegals that work for them.

The POTUS can't be stricken from the jury pool as that would be a violation of State and Federal Constitutional law. Otherwise we have to go back and amend the US Constitution to exempt a class of citizens from their duties of citizenship due to the fact that they are elected officials. And once that's done, every state in the union would have to amend their state constitutions for such an exemption.

So, the POTUS has to stay in the jury pool.

Having said all that, I can't imagine a judge ever making a public official (like a Governor, or Mayor) actually serve. But it doesn't change the fact that he, or his handlers, need to respond to jury duty notice and present a reason before the judge to be exempted from jury service.
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smb Donating Member (761 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-01-05 01:13 PM
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45. Yep
He should have to make a case for why he should be excused, just like anybody else. Admittedly, it would be a slam-dunk case (if only because of the disruption that would be caused by having the POTUS's security detail in the middle of a routine local trial), but he shouldn't just get an automatic pass.
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dennis4868 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-01-05 10:33 AM
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27. "the commander-in-chief was not aware of the situation"
Hell, the commander in chief is not aware what the hell is going on in Iraq why would he be aware about freakin jury duty?
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info being Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-01-05 10:48 AM
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28. This might actually be a publicity stunt...
you know, showing up for jury duty to portray himself as a man of the people.
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leftofthedial Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-01-05 11:00 AM
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31. unless there is free money in it, he heeds no call to service
never has. never will.
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AnneD Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-01-05 11:13 AM
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33. With Rove's help
he artfully dodged jury duty in Texas on a drunk driving case (with out admitting his hx). A google search will get you the info. Boy what I wouldn't give to get that numbnut under oath without his minion for cross examination.
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Lorien Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-01-05 11:21 AM
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34. Hell, he makes time for bike rides and long vacations
the less time he's at work, the better!
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CJCRANE Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-01-05 11:48 AM
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36. He'd only do it if Cheney could go too nt.
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liberalnurse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-01-05 11:51 AM
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37. He may show-up
if Cindy Sheehan was the Defendant.....
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No Exit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-01-05 11:53 AM
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38. Omigosh! "Alberto! Ven aca!"
"How do I answer this juror questionnaire item, 'Have you ever been convicted of a crime?'"

"Driving While Intoxicated isn't a CRIME, is it, Alberto??"
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alfredo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-01-05 12:09 PM
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41. If he gets out of it, I hope the Dem leadership gives him
7 types of hell. Kerry stood up and did his duty.
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Angry Girl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-01-05 12:20 PM
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43. Harriet Meirs can't even send out a timely response to a jury summons
I thought I was bad/slow/negligent with paperwork but these clowns make me feel like Secretary of the Year....

URGENT! Timing is critical to save freezing earthquake victims!
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alcibiades_mystery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-01-05 12:22 PM
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44. What makes them think that this douchebag would be the foreman?
If he was on my jury, I'd vote for anyone else to serve as foreman.

Besides, this shitbird is unable to be around the lowly public. Imagine if some secretary defied is sacred word or dared disagree with him?

:rofl:
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VegasWolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-01-05 01:16 PM
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46. Wrong! Bush will be all over this idea if it is a death penalty case and
he can help get someone executed!! If this case involves math, not so much.
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llmart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-01-05 01:24 PM
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49. And he could laugh at the person if they're executed.....
He finds much humor in that.
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smb Donating Member (761 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-01-05 01:18 PM
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47. What Would Be Funny...
...is if he were called to serve on Tom DeLay's jury.
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quaoar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-01-05 07:01 PM
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52. DeLay may ask for a change of venue
to Crawford.
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Senator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-01-05 01:31 PM
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50. A.W.O.L. again, huh?
Trouble is, even requesting to be excused requires that you make statements of fact "under penalty of perjury."

With Alberto the Fixer unable to lie to the judge for him, or get him a clean driver's license, he's just a deer in the headlights.

Even Uncle Dick can't hold his hand and go with him.

---
www.january6th.org
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0007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-01-05 07:07 PM
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53. What a shallow stupid publicity stunt to gain a point in the polls.
Did junior get this idea from John Kerry or Karen Hughes?

I'll bet anything that Lou Dobbs plugged this big time.


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TroglodyteScholar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-01-05 07:11 PM
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55. "Screw it, just fry 'em. Heh heh heh." n/t
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Dead_Parrot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-01-05 07:17 PM
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56. Why would he?
He didn't do Vietnam service. He couldn't manage Natl. Guard service, and he not serving anyone but his rich pals now: What makes anyone think he'd turn out for jury service?

What a terrifying thought though. You'd go in for a parking fine and come out with a death sentence...
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banana republican Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-01-05 07:34 PM
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57. Conflict of Interest
He will most likely be excused by the defense attorney due to a conflict of interest.

As POTUS he is the *chief law enforcement officer* in the country. THe FBI; US Marshalls; & IRS report to him.

Would like someone charged with enforcing the law (e.g. a policeman) serving on your jury?????

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quaoar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-02-05 01:37 AM
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61. Sure
You'd have another argument to make to the appeals court -- an incompetent juror.

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Ouabache Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-01-05 10:35 PM
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59. they would never be able to get him to understand 'reasonable doubt'
anyway, and so he would be disqualified even if he did report.
Remember he is an idiot.
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Missy Vixen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-02-05 12:17 AM
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60. Is that so?
Edited on Fri Dec-02-05 12:20 AM by JulieRB
>"It is not uncommon that people don't respond for jury duty," said 19th State District Judge Ralph Strother, to whose court the president has been summoned. "<

It's a summons. It's against state law to ignore it or to not show up. If one does not respond, one could find themselves in JAIL. Oh. I almost forgot. :eyes: This is everyone but George W. Bush, evidently.

>"The White House has not received the summons yet."<

Perhaps the White House could respond and ask to have him excused, if that's what they're intending on doing. Did the cat throw up on it?

We all know that the "rule of law" only applies to Democrats. :mad:

Julie

p.s. Could Patrick Fitzgerald take the morning off from his two other jobs and ask the questions? Please? Pretty please?
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