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NYC Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-01-05 10:32 PM
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Singapore executes Australian
http://edition.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/asiapcf/12/01/singapore.execution/

(CNN) -- Singapore's government hanged an Australian man for drug trafficking early Friday, hours after making an exception to prison policy by letting the condemned man's mother hold her son's hand one last time.

Van Nguyen was hanged at 6 a.m. (10 p.m. Thursday GMT) as a dozen friends and supporters, dressed in black, kept an overnight vigil outside the maximum-security prison. His twin brother, Nguyen Khoa, was dressed in white.

"The sentence was carried out this morning at Changi Prison," Singapore's Home Affairs Ministry said in a statement. The statement said Nguyen had failed in his appeals to the Court of Appeal, and to President S.R. Nathan for clemency.

A dozen friends and supporters had stood outside the maximum-security Changi Prison hours before the hanging. Candles and handwritten notes containing messages of support and calls for an end to Singapore's death penalty were placed outside the prison gates.
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Dogmudgeon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-01-05 10:37 PM
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1. Singapore: Mickey Mouse meets Mussolini
--p!
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Canuckistanian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-01-05 10:43 PM
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2. Changi Prison....
Edited on Thu Dec-01-05 10:56 PM by Canuckistanian
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PassingFair Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-01-05 10:45 PM
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3. Link not found...... n/t
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Canuckistanian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-01-05 10:56 PM
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6. link corrected.... n/t
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DU9598 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-01-05 10:53 PM
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4. Singapore
How terrifying ... the death sentence is a tool of oppression and anyone could be railroaded by a government. I wonder if this poor soul had spoken out against Singapore or if he was at all political?
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rooboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-01-05 10:55 PM
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5. Nothing like that at all. Death is a mandatory sentence. n/t
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WearyOne Donating Member (490 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-01-05 10:59 PM
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7. so much for Nancy Regan's "Just Say No" campaign...the drug
masterminds must be celebrating today. Hanging a small time courier takes all the attention of their thousands of other couriers in another phoney war.
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melody Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-01-05 11:11 PM
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8. Well, at least we "only" execute for murder
There's at least a couple of countries more barbaric than half of this one.

How tragic for this poor young man and his family. He was only 25 and probably made one stupid mistake.
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Matilda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-02-05 01:37 AM
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10. He was trying to raise money to pay off his twin brother's drug debts.
When he was caught, the Singaporean authorities told him he could
help his case if he named the people above him, which he did. Then
they told him he was going to hang anway.

Extenuating circumstances, but the sentence is mandatory in
Singapore. The Howard government did very little to try to help.

It's caused quite a stir in Australia though, which is unusual for
such a case. Church services and vigils in most capital cities.
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melody Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-02-05 01:44 AM
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12. this is all just tragic
Edited on Fri Dec-02-05 01:44 AM by melody
I sit here, looking at the clock as the minutes tick away to another execution in this country. At very least, this man killed two people. There is some some twisted logic in his execution. It enrages me, but not nearly so much as when I read about that poor young man this morning. I just hope his parents and family find a way to find peace with all this.

Damn George Bush and his buddy John Howard. What is this, the age of the Anglo Saxon Bully? :cry:

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greenleaf Donating Member (64 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-02-05 07:43 AM
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15. To be fair John Howard did make personal representations for clemency
to the Singaporean Prime Minister.However during the last occasion the Singapore Government sent a letter to the mother of the condemned man setting out the date of his execution and asking her to make funeral arrangements for her son(She received the letter at same time as Howard was meeting with Lee).Howard wasn't aware that a final decision had been made regarding the execution and that the Singaporean PM knew that the letter had been sent before he agreed to see Howard.

After the meeting Howard was furious at having been humiliated, but still he pleaded that the execution shouldn't interfere with our economic relationship with Singapore.

It was as if the Singaporean Government sensed Howard insincerity.

Today when asked in Germany at a press conference about his reaction to the Australian Attorney Generals description of the punishment as "barbaric" the Singapore Prime Minister Lee Hsien Loong tried to make a sick joke out of the question by accusing the Australian Press Media of being 'colourful'.

Lee Hsien Loong is a heartless sick pup just like his father Lee Kwan Yew.
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rooboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-02-05 08:25 AM
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17. Howard lost his credibility on this subject many months ago.
When asked by the press whether he supported the death penalty for Osama bin Laden or the Bali bombers, he said that he did. That comment was not missed by the Singaporean media, so his pleas in this case rang hollow to them.
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Polemonium Donating Member (660 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-02-05 10:53 AM
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30. Really? over 150 innocent people released from death row
I'm guessing we occasionally execute someone for being in the wrong place at the wrong time. But hey Singapore is far more barbaric, North Carolina executed it's 1000th prisoner today. This was the first Australian executed in 12 years.
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melody Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-02-05 03:05 PM
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33. I think you should re-read my post AND read my sigline
I'm against ALL death penalty. ALL. The other comment was made tongue-in-cheek, which I thought was obvious with the "".

I don't consider half my country at all barbaric. I live in the great state of California which now has a majority leaning against death penalty and where there is a significant attempt to sway our horrific "governor" to do the right thing.

No Australian was executed. That was an Australian who was murdered by a foreign government for reasons that NO civilized society would accept, not even mine.
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liberaliraqvet26 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-02-05 12:10 AM
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9. this is disgusting....
Edited on Fri Dec-02-05 12:10 AM by liberaliraqvet26
this has been bothering me all day. how senseless.

FUCK SINGAPORE
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-02-05 08:21 AM
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16. I agree. the death penality is/was too harsh.
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BlueInPhilly Donating Member (341 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-02-05 03:25 PM
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36. This is bothering the hell out of me too
FUCK! FUCK! FUCK! FUCK! FUCK!

The kid was an idiot, but that's not an offense punishable by death! And why wasn't this covered in the US??? CNN has a 1-minute video package by Carol Lin. You'd think they'd spend more time covering this, yet they covered follow Biblically-Correct tours around!

FUCK! FUCK! FUCK! FUCK! FUCK!
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quaoar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-02-05 01:41 AM
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11. Singapore is an amazing city
The cleanest, safest place you'll ever find. But extremely rigid in its laws and rules. It's amazing that they don't execute people who forget to flush in public restrooms.

You would think that in the interest of good relations they could offer to commute the sentence and expel him if Australia would agree to jail the defendant for life. What harm would that do to Singapore?
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Matilda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-02-05 01:55 AM
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13. Exactly - fair that he should pay a penalty, but not with his life.
They wouldn't even allow his mother to hug him at the end. She
could only touch his hands through a grille, and that was allowed
only at the last minute.

And this in a country whose regime is totally corrupt.
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rooboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-02-05 08:27 AM
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19. That's because it's a dictatorship...
Lee Kwan Hew defeated his political rivals by suing them for libel. Simply questioning the leader's honesty on any matter normally costs you your house.

Behind the shiny veneer, a very sad place - the population is one of the most brainwashed in the world.
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Coventina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-02-05 09:44 AM
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23. I don't care how clean it is, and it definitely isn't "safe".
That atmosphere comes with a heavy price.
Keeping a people enslaved with fear. No thanks, I'll pass.
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greenleaf Donating Member (64 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-02-05 10:21 AM
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26. That reminds me of the slogan for the Singapore Metropolitan Rail Transport
SMRT SAFE CLEAN FAST!

At the time I thought WTF!?

Sort of appropriate now.:spray: :spray: :yoiks:
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gulfcoastliberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-02-05 02:23 AM
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14. Singapore: Fascist dictatorship
One place I have no desire to see. What animals.
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VaYallaDawg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-02-05 08:25 AM
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18. Interesting that Beth Holloway Twitty can trash Aruba so openly,
but Singapore definitely has to top the list of places to stay out of!
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raccoon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-02-05 08:44 AM
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20. Well, no young white blondes have gone missing there, I guess. nt
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ernstbass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-02-05 09:24 AM
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21. Time for Australia to sanction Singapore
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greenleaf Donating Member (64 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-02-05 10:09 AM
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25. Maybe,
but I dont sanction their actions.
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Coventina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-02-05 09:39 AM
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22. What a bunch of ignorant fascists they are!
Apparently they are unaware of the world war that was fought against fascism last century. Someone needs to send that country a history book, because they apparently don't have any. Or perhaps they don't know how to read. Or maybe their reading comprehension skills are lacking.

Something is fucking wrong with that country.
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greenleaf Donating Member (64 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-02-05 10:33 AM
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27. Well said.
I still cant get over that jibe Lee Hsien Loong the PM of Singapore had against Australia's reaction to the hanging, expecting the audience in Germany to laugh with him, instead all he got was stony silence and stony looks.
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Coventina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-02-05 10:41 AM
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28. What a dumbass. The Germans are the LAST people who are going to find
fascist jokes funny.

Sheesh. That's about as stupid as something our Chimp in Chief would pull.
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DemoTex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-02-05 09:46 AM
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24. Changi prison
The perimeter road of Singapore’s Changi International Airport serves as a line of demarcation between the airport and Changi prison. On one side of the road one can see the sleek Boeing 747s of British Airways, Singapore Air, Air France, and Lufthansa, being catered and fueled for the fourteen hour westbound flights to Europe. On the other side are the ominous, pale green outer walls of the prison. These formidable walls are topped with long spiral strands of razor wire and are posted with picture-signs that can be easily understood by almost anyone speaking almost any language: A silhouette of a guard with a rifle shooting an escaping prisoner in the back.

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Kolesar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-02-05 10:51 AM
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29. Makes me angry and sad ... eom
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David Dunham Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-02-05 02:03 PM
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31. A good US president would sever relations with Singapore
The US and Australia should push for regime change to democracy in Singapore.
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Nebraska_Liberal Donating Member (145 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-02-05 02:42 PM
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32. I agree
I agree that they should push for regime change, and that this was definitely a barbaric act, but lets look at it in reality. If you go to a counrty, you should know their laws and follow them. This guy knew what would happen if he was caught. He should have used common sense.
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melody Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-02-05 03:16 PM
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34. good post. I agree. n/t
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Coventina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-02-05 03:17 PM
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35. Won't happen due to the same reason we wouldn't do it with China
Too much $$$$ to be made.
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