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sabra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-01-05 10:46 PM
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Ex-President Clinton Opposes Setting Iraq Timetable

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=10000103&sid=aD8NVCjQcvY0&refer=us

Ex-President Clinton Opposes Setting Iraq Timetable (Update3)

Dec. 1 (Bloomberg) -- Former President Bill Clinton said the U.S. should restructure how its troops are deployed in Iraq and begin taking some personnel out of the country without setting a firm timetable for a withdrawal.

``It seems to me the best thing to do is heed the wishes of all the leaders of Iraq, the various sectors, who say they want us to draw down our forces,'' Clinton said in a CNN interview broadcast tonight. ``We don't want to set a fixed timetable if that led to chaos.''

Clinton's remarks illustrate an emerging split in the Democratic Party over how to deal with the conflict in Iraq.

...

``Whether you were for it or against it, it seems to be you should all be praying that it succeeds,'' the former president said. ``I didn't agree with what was done when it was done, but we are where we are.''



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panader0 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-01-05 10:49 PM
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1. They don't call him "Slick Willie" for nothing
He hits everyone's button at least once.
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VegasWolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-02-05 12:36 PM
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26. All that hanging around with Papa Bush has corrupted Hillary and Bill.

:puke:
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-01-05 10:49 PM
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2. Define "success."
And tell the truth.
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stevedeshazer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-01-05 10:50 PM
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3. Bill has gone mild.
What "success" does Bill want me to pray for?

This stuff drives me nuts. :crazy:

There's NO chance of success with this war. None.

Argh.
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Massacure Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-01-05 10:50 PM
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4. We have a wolf by the ears, if we let it go or not really doesn't matter.
The outcome is bad either way.
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Patchuli Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-01-05 10:51 PM
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5. But Big Dawg, what's it going to help by staying?!!
It's not going to get better unless they get 100,000 minimum more troops on the ground, decent armor, help from other countries and A PLAN! I wish Bill would stop playing patty-cake with these people. It actually makes me sick whereas the Monica thing was just stupid.

John Murtha is right. Randi Rhodes was right. A lot of people have said it. We have done all we can do (damage is what I see) in Iraq militarily. They need to fix the infrastructure, turn it over to the Iraqis and get OUT! But since we know that is contrary to PNAC's plan, they're fighting it. Is Bill a total sell-out at this point?!
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mitchtv Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-01-05 10:56 PM
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7. Bill ends up with Hillary
I think that's the plan.
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Patchuli Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-01-05 11:04 PM
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11. I think that's because his cojones
are in the palm of her hand and she squeezes him back into shape every now and then! She is just another corporatist-type and if she were to be elected, then I might flee for real! :yoiks:
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raccoon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-02-05 08:47 AM
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24. Hillary is Bush lite. nt
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merwin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-01-05 10:59 PM
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8. He didn't say to stay. He said to draw down the troops. That can be done
without a "timetable"... Bush just doesn't want to do it. They're using "timetable" as a diversion, and we're falling for it.

Using a timetable is a bad idea. Just get the troops the fuck out of Iraq ASAP. The Iraqi people will start taking care of themselves when we leave.
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ananda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-01-05 10:52 PM
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6. I agree.. no timetable!
Get out NOW!
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Demeter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-01-05 11:00 PM
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10. I Second that Notion!
Anybody staying for a second act is an idiot.
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napi21 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-01-05 11:00 PM
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9. I agree with the no time table idea, but there is an alternative.
I think everyone agrees that our troops are energizing the insurgents, and we do need to plan to leave. I also believe we need to give the Iraqi's a reason to take the responsibility of securing their own govt and not depend on us to fight their battles for them.

We need to push the training harder. Even knowing they'll make some mistakes, put the Iraq troops in the lead on some missions, with American backup, then return and retrain on the areas of their weakness.

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Patchuli Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-01-05 11:05 PM
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13. I liked John Murtha's plan
and agree, until they are forced to fend for themselves, the Iraqis will be glad to let us handle security detail! Co-dependency here or what?
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buddysmellgood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-01-05 11:05 PM
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12. Fine, don't publish a schedule. But like Murtha says, redeploy. Get them
the hell out of the line of fire. Let the Iraqis sort it out. HAVE A FUCKING PLAN.
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ECH1969 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-01-05 11:27 PM
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14. Ex-President Clinton Opposes Setting Iraq Timetable
``It seems to me the best thing to do is heed the wishes of all the leaders of Iraq, the various sectors, who say they want us to draw down our forces,'' Clinton said in a CNN interview broadcast tonight. ``We don't want to set a fixed timetable if that led to chaos.''

Clinton's remarks illustrate an emerging split in the Democratic Party over how to deal with the conflict in Iraq.

One faction, represented by Representative John Murtha, Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi and Senator Russell Feingold, are calling for President George W. Bush to begin pulling forces out of Iraq and ending a large-scale U.S. presence there by the end of next year.

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=10000103&sid=aD8NVCjQcvY0&refer=us
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Arkana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-01-05 11:27 PM
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15. Clinton's advocating leaving--more than his wife is allowing.
The split is between Holy Joe and Hillary, and the rest of the Democratic Party.
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Warren Stupidity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-01-05 11:27 PM
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16. Nah he is just playing his bullshit game.
Clinton (Bill) is trying to plow right down the nuanced middle, knowing full well that his stupid wife has pinned herself down on the far right of the issue and knowing that the war is not playing out the way he thought it would - he is providing cover for Hillary. His moderation of her position will allow for considerable confusion over where exactly 'the clintons' stand.
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arewenotdemo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-02-05 12:34 PM
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25. Seems that way to me, too.
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Stand and Fight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-01-05 11:27 PM
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17. Duplicate n/t
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Tom Joad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-01-05 11:32 PM
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18. He is responsible for tens of thousands of deaths by
economic sanctions that devasted the country. He did bomb the country too.
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skipos Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-02-05 12:20 AM
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19. Well he just lost my vote!
:eyes:
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suston96 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-02-05 12:26 AM
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20. In the still of the night....
Remember when the Baltimore Colts sneaked out of Baltimore with all the players, coaches, management, all the equipment and files? And took off to Indianopolis?

It was in the dead of night. The city of Baltimore didn't know what hit it.

Maybe we can do the same? That would mean.....

....NO TIMETABLE! Just bug out!
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readmylips Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-02-05 02:35 AM
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21. Timetable is repig cute word...when it should be 'plan or strategy'...
the republicans came up with the cute word 'timetable' to show that the democrats wanted the enemy to be informed, and cut and run. When in fact, repigs can only call it timetable because they have no strategy...no plan. They are stuck in the mud. Mr. little bush, what is the plan or strategy?
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still_one Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-02-05 05:23 AM
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22. who gives a damn what bill clinton says?
because the jerk didn't listen to his advisors, he allowed himself to be setup by the repukes, and we are partly where we are today because of that.

The good news from all this, hillary and bill are over, and so is the bush clan. Things are changing in this country, and people are tired of this crap.
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d_b Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-02-05 05:55 AM
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23. I wonder if Bill and Hill really believe that.
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