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cal04 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-02-05 10:15 PM
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Leak Ruling Has Mystery, 8 Blank Pages
There are eight blank pages in the public version of a decision the federal appeals court in Washington issued in February. The decision ordered two reporters to be jailed unless they agreed to testify before a grand jury investigating the disclosure of the identity of a C.I.A. operative, Valerie Wilson. What is in those pages is one of the enduring mysteries in the investigation. In a filing yesterday, the special prosecutor in the case, Patrick J. Fitzgerald, told the court that he had no objection to the unsealing of parts of those pages, and he gave hints about what they say.

The pages, in a concurring opinion by Judge David S. Tatel of the United States Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia Circuit, analyze secret submissions by Mr. Fitzgerald. Judge Tatel suggested, in a terse and cryptic public summary of what he wrote in the withheld pages, that testimony from the reporters, Judith Miller of The New York Times and Matthew Cooper of Time magazine, was needed to determine whether a government official committed a crime in identifying Ms. Wilson. Mr. Cooper avoided jail after his source, Karl Rove, President Bush's top political adviser, gave him permission to testify. Ms. Miller spent 85 days in jail before agreeing to testify after receiving permission from I. Lewis Libby Jr., who was Vice President Dick Cheney's chief of staff. Mr. Libby resigned after he was indicted in October on charges of obstructing the investigation and related crimes. Yesterday's filing, in response to a motion by Dow Jones & Company, the publisher of The Wall Street Journal, seemed at odds with Judge Tatel's summary. It made clear that the case against at least Mr. Libby had for some time concerned obstruction of justice rather than the disclosure of Ms. Wilson's identity.

Mr. Fitzgerald told the court yesterday that he did not object to the unsealing of the parts of Judge Tatel's analysis concerning Mr. Libby because most of the facts in it had become public through the indictment and statements from grand jury witnesses. Mr. Fitzgerald said he did object to unsealing other parts of the analysis. Theodore J. Boutrous Jr., a lawyer for Dow Jones, said, "We are hopeful we can persuade the court to release the rest."

Floyd Abrams, who represented Ms. Miller and Mr. Cooper before the appeals court, said Mr. Fitzgerald's filing was significant for the light it shed on the inquiry's progress. "The revelation," Mr. Abrams said, "that Mr. Fitzgerald advised the court as early as the spring and fall of 2004 that his focus on Mr. Libby related not to potential threats to national security but to possible violations of perjury and related laws raises anew the question of whether the need for the testimony of Judy Miller and Matt Cooper was at all as critical as had been suggested."

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/12/03/politics/03leak.html?hp&ex=1133586000&en=ee8d092a44169243&ei=5094&partner=homepage
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lovuian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-02-05 10:25 PM
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1. I'd love to know whats in those 8 pages too!!!
Interesting stuff!!!
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texpatriot2004 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-02-05 11:08 PM
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2. Me too nm
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rucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-02-05 11:34 PM
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3. I thought Grand Jury proceedings were sealed.
as a routine matter. Leaked often, but never officially disclosed.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-03-05 07:24 AM
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10. the WSJ sued for them



....Yesterday's filing, in response to a motion by Dow Jones & Company, the publisher of The Wall Street Journal, seemed at odds with Judge Tatel's summary. It made clear that the case against at least Mr. Libby had for some time concerned obstruction of justice rather than the disclosure of Ms. Wilson's identity.
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knight_of_the_star Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-02-05 11:37 PM
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4. This should be fun
I wonder what other dirties are hiding in those eight pages.
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symbolman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-03-05 12:42 AM
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5. There is some very SERIOUS shit in those 8 pages
they seem to be like that old Monty Python skit where someone created the Joke That Killed on a scrap of paper.. everyone who read it died laughing, they even translated it into German to kill them all off..

Every Judge that reads them IMMEDIATELY gives Fitz whatever he wants.. "Uh How many REPORTERS do you want JAILED this Week, Sir?" sayeth the Judges :)

I suspect that it has to do with Brown & Jennings, that some people actually DIED after Novak outed them in his second article, or more about how Plame was ACTUALLY looking for WMD, or spying on the Saudis.. remember that Bush Co has long ties with BCCI, Aramco, etc as well..

That's what I think after a year of Research on this subject, and I even made a 2 set DVD film (which you can watch the trailer for at http://www.takebackthemedia.com) called "Rove's War".. got it ALL there.. from the Feith/Ledeen,Franklin, Head of the Italian CIA (SISMI) meeting where the goddam FAKED Niger Forgeries came from, December of 2001 in Rome, after ROVE'S "plumbers" STOLE the letterheads from the Niger Embassy in Rome the year before, pretty much the same time that Bush was being sworn in..

Rove has stolen Letterheads before, as a young republican in Dixon's office in Chicago where he broke in, stole the letterheads and then created INVITATIONS to Dixon's office and then handed them all out at Soup Kitchens and in the Red light district..

From Prank to POWER, he's a one trick pony and I can show you HOW, WHERE, WHEN and WHY a LOT Of this happened in my film..

I'd LOVE to get a gander at those 8 pages.. judges just seem to act like Steve Martin in "The Jerk" (while he was rich), when the "cat Juggling" film was shown to him by the Spanish Priest - getting the checkbook out and writing, "Oh my god! Whatever you want, just take it, just take it and GO.." :)
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sabra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-03-05 02:40 AM
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6. Fitz To Plame Leak Court: Keep Some Grand Jury Records Sealed

http://www.mediainfo.com/eandp/news/article_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1001613844

Fitz To Plame Leak Court: Keep Some Grand Jury Records Sealed

CHICAGO The prosecutor in the CIA leak case on Friday opposed public release of some details about the criminal investigation, while supporting the disclosure of information regarding I. Lewis Libby, the indicted former chief of staff to Vice President Dick Cheney.

In court papers, Special Counsel Patrick Fitzgerald said continued secrecy is not necessary with respect to portions of a federal appeals court ruling from 10 months ago that "directly relate to Mr. Libby." Libby was indicted on Oct. 28 on five counts of perjury, obstruction and lying to the FBI.

Secrecy is necessary for other material in the court ruling to protect witnesses or subjects of the investigation from public embarrassment or ridicule "as well as to protect the integrity of the ongoing investigation," Fitzgerald argued.

Dow Jones & Co., publisher of The Wall Street Journal, is seeking release of redacted portions of an appeals court decision from Feb. 15, 2005. In it, Judge David Tatel affirmed that New York Times reporter Judith Miller and Time magazine reporter Matt Cooper were in contempt of court for refusing to testify in Fitzgerald's investigation. Both subsequently testified.



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Independent_Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-03-05 02:41 AM
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7. Kick!
Someone posted this over in the GD forum as well.
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TacticalPeek Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-03-05 02:41 AM
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8. Kick night.
:kick:
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loudsue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-03-05 03:31 PM
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12. Protect subjects "from public embarrassment or ridicule ". Hmmm.
You mean, like, Judith Miller's sex life and her involvement with some of the targets of the investigation??? Yep. Pretty embarrassing, ridiculous stuff.

The WSJ better be careful what they wish for.

:kick:
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-03-05 07:22 AM
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9. nominate
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janx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-03-05 11:02 AM
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11. HAHA
I love all of this speculation.
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