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kskiska Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-02-05 11:03 PM
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WP: FEMA Pulls Out of Lower Ninth (Ward)
Edited on Fri Dec-02-05 11:06 PM by kskiska
Saturday, December 3, 2005; A14

The Federal Emergency Management Agency pulled all its workers out of New Orleans's Lower Ninth Ward yesterday after threats of violence and planned to request additional police or National Guard support, a FEMA spokeswoman said.

A spokeswoman for Mayor C. Ray Nagin said New Orleans police commander knew of no incidents or threat complaints.

The Lower Ninth Ward was reopened Thursday; it was the last neighborhood in the city to remain closed as a result of Hurricane Katrina. Residents, who had been limited to bus tours, were allowed to reenter homes, inspect damage and retrieve items but not stay in the area, which still lacks electricity.

But U.S. Army Corps of Engineers workers near levees and FEMA workers -- who were on hand to help remove debris, set up disaster service centers and coordinate relief -- received numerous threats, said FEMA spokeswoman Nicol Andrews . About 20 FEMA workers were withdrawn from the area, Andrews said.

more…
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/12/02/AR2005120201799.html
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journalist3072 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-02-05 11:05 PM
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1. Translation:
FEMA is making up an excuse to get out. They don't give a damn about the 9th Ward, b/c it's mostly poor African-Americans.
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SpiralHawk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-02-05 11:07 PM
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3. Cut and run
NeoCon style.

Cue the Catapults. Load the propaganda.
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journalist3072 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-02-05 11:18 PM
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6. You hit the nail on the head!!! eom
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-02-05 11:05 PM
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2. Those bastards
are so transparent. Why don't they just post signs that say 'Former (POOR) Residents: Stay Out" ???
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Ian David Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-02-05 11:08 PM
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4. Operation: Drown The Negroes rolls merrily along.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-02-05 11:10 PM
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5. How much are we paying these racist bastards?

Found this today:


Contact the Office of the Inspector General
Department of Homeland Security
Washington, DC 20528
Attn: Office of Inspector General

(DHS oversees FEMA. God help us all.)

Inspector General - Richard L. Skinner
Assistant Inspectors General

Office of Inspector General Audit Field Office Locations
Office of Inspector General Investigative Field Office Locations

Hotline
If you have knowledge of fraud, waste, abuse, or allegations of civil liberties or civil rights abuses, or mismanagement involving Department of Homeland Security programs or operations, you can:

* Fax DHS OIG Hotline at: (202) 254-4292
* Email us at DHSOIGHOTLINE@dhs.gov
* Or write:
Department of Homeland Security
Washington, DC 20528
Attn: Office of Inspector General, Hotline

http://www.dhs.gov/dhspublic/interapp/editorial/editorial_0326.xml

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BJW Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-03-05 03:37 PM
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34. I think this should also go in the new forum
for hurricane victims
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-03-05 04:53 PM
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35. If I'm not mistaken, Up2Late did post it there. And, btw, we're
about half n half right now, actual Katrina survivors and people who just want to help somehow.
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Wickerman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-02-05 11:21 PM
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7. As much as I hate FEMA management
I know that its getting ugly in the Ward and I don't doubt people have reached the end of their ropes.

A fellow DUer is down there working inspections on contract for FEMA. He can't stay in a given area for long since he'll do an inspection on a home one week and several weeks later folks will spot him and ask him why the hell they haven't heard anything more from FEMA.

Of course all he does is the inspections; he has no info on anything FEMA will or won't be doing. Now they move him around more often - and he has learned not to wear his badge.

I don't doubt, 3 mos into the event, folks are ready to strangle the messengers - even the line FEMA workers, the ones just trying to make a difference.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-02-05 11:38 PM
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9. I feel badly for the people caught in the middle.
And they've turned NO into a sundowner town:

December 2, 2005 · Residents of New Orleans' Lower Ninth Ward were allowed to return to their homes Thursday for the first time since Hurricane Katrina hit. Residents were permitted to stay for the day and had to leave by sundown.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=360&topic_id=20&mesg_id=20

I can't believe this is my country.
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Wickerman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-03-05 01:53 AM
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21. amazing, ain't it?
and in a really bad way.
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finecraft Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-02-05 11:28 PM
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8. Sure....just like the Coast Guard rescue helicopters were shot at
and roving gangs of rapists and murderers roamed through the Superdome and Convention Center raping women and children. Sure....Right....like I'll believe anything FEMA and the Army Corp of Engineers has to say. I mean, after all, they are the epitome of truth and know best how to keep us safe and assist when disaster hits. :sarcasm: I hate these people :mad:

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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-02-05 11:41 PM
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10. I have never seen such naked racism, not in nearly 50 years.
Edited on Fri Dec-02-05 11:42 PM by sfexpat2000
There has always been racism but there has also been shame. And there have been masses of people fighting, fighting to move forward.

There is no shame any more.

It's like this country has been taken over by the Pod People. It's stunning.


/grammar
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finecraft Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-03-05 12:00 AM
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11. Racism and Class Warfare - Welcome to America!
I just don't know what to think anymore. What is happening to the residents of the ninth ward is tragic, just tragic. For three months these people have been denied access to their homes....but yet state, local and federal politicians have had daily bus tours through the area so they can gawk at the destruction. They sure the hell got the roads cleared so the tour busses could come through daily on their rubber-necking tours, but the residents were not allowed to enter to begin the clean up process so they can begin to get on with their lives. I have to believe that the main reason residents weren't allowed in wasn't because it was unsafe, it was because their misfortune and loss needed to be used as a political tool. Now that all the congressional tours are over, I guess the residents can return and get whatever little belongings they have and be on their merry way, the freak show is over. My heart cries for the residents there. :cry:
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finecraft Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-03-05 12:13 AM
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13. sfexpat - Get a load of this!
Just saw this on digby's site: http://digbysblog.blogspot.com/2005_11_27_digbysblog_archive.html#113355768018382611

<snip>..."I can't believe what I'm seeing. CNN is reporting yet another propaganda boondoggle --- FEMA's "Recovery Channel" in New Orleans. One segment even features a military officer talking about all the good work that FEMA is doing rebuilding the schools. CNN investigated and found out the school in question was really two hours away from new orleans and that virtually all the schools in new orleans are in shambles.

My favorite part was the story about how "our Commander In Chief lent a hand" in the rebuilding.

Apparently, when FEMA realized that CNN was asking questions about this taxpayer funded propaganda operation, they issued a statement saying that they were going to revamp the whole thing and remove all editorial content.

The question now is what department of the Bush administration isn't using tax dollars to promote the President and the Republican party's political agenda?" <snip>
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-03-05 12:29 AM
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14. I can't f#cking believe this.
Bushworld: tone your capacity for disbelief.
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Carni Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-03-05 12:40 AM
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18. I don't know... I saw a really dangerous woman featured on CNN this AM
That would be sarcasm...

I can't say that I know the 9th ward but I work in Detroit (we have NOLA beat hands down for poverty and crime)
all this hoopla I am hearing about how bad the 9th ward was and how it shouldn't be rebuilt (per bushit media) because it was so substandard/poor bla bla bla just strikes me as utter bullshit.

If it's so dangerous and poor-- why do I keep seeing a bunch of middle class type working people talking about what they have lost?

The frickin families there have had the deeds since like 1900--yeah they must be real criminals...who the hell else can lay claim to property they owned for three generations?

Blatant racism? You bet your ass this is blatant racism.
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Sgent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-03-05 04:58 AM
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27. Some local facts
It wasn't just the 9th ward that was devastated -- total losses due to flooding were rampent in Lakeview (a middle/upper class neighborhood), Jefferson Parish (middle class), Old Metarie (wealthy) and east New Orleans (working class).

I agree with you about the talk -- it was rebuilt before, and it should be rebuilt again.

Finally, I can't speak to specific Detroit neigborhoods, but the overall economic picture in NOLA pre-Katrina had 20% less per capitia income than Detroit (Bureau of Economic Analysis, 2003 numbers)
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Chicago Democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-03-05 12:03 AM
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12. Cowards! Assholes! Jerks! Liars! Incomptents! Racists!
and those are their 'good' points!
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-03-05 12:31 AM
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15. Yes. Compassionate Conservatism at its finest.
:puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke:
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uppityperson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-03-05 12:35 AM
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16. "take my trash or I'll beat you up!" This sort of threat?
I've a friend who just got back from a 1 month paid volunteer position with FEMA in Florida. Said it was very frustrating for everyone, it was worse than even I would believe. I wouldn't doubt that people threaten FEMA, but not to the point they need to pull out.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-03-05 12:36 AM
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17. kick
:kick:
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Pirate Smile Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-03-05 12:47 AM
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19. People know their ruined homes and damaged lives weren't caused
Edited on Sat Dec-03-05 12:47 AM by Pirate Smile
solely by the hurricane but was also a man-made disaster - the levees were not what they were supposed to be, advertised to be, required to be - and they blame the Government for that.


Tests confirm levee sheet pilings only driven about half as far as recommended

06:43 PM CST on Wednesday, November 30, 2005
Brett Martel / Associated Press

Government engineers performing sonar tests at the site of a major levee failure found exactly what independent investigators said they would -- that steel reinforcements barely went more than half as deep as they were supposed to, a U.S. Army Corps of Engineers official said Wednesday.

-snip-
Baumy said the Corps remains unable to explain the disparity between what their 1993 design documents show was supposed to be there and what they've actually found.

The documents indicated that the steel reinforcements in the levee, known as sheet piling, went down to a depth of 17.5 feet below sea level. Sonar tests indicated the pilings went only to 10 feet below sea level, meaning the flood wall would have been much weaker than advertised.

-snip-
Engineering studies prior to construction of the flood wall were performed by Eustis Engineering, Modjeski and Masters Inc. and the Corps. Members of van Heerden's team have expressed shock that all three could have missed what they characterized as fundamental flaws. Calls put in to Eustis and Modjeski and Masters were not returned Wednesday. However, van Heerden said the federal government bears ultimate responsibility.

"The federal government built the levees, the federal government supplied that security, the security system failed, as a consequence these 100,000 families have lost everything," van Heerden said. "In our opinion, the federal government needs to step up to the plate."

http://www.wwltv.com/local/stories/WWL113005tests.26f96425.html



If it makes people feel any better, the article says "LSU computer models showed that even if the pilings had gone to 17.5 feet below sea level at 17th Street as design documents said they should have, they still would have failed." I doubt it really does make anyone feel any better though.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-03-05 01:06 AM
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20. I wasn't a Bush hater before Katrina.
I mean, I loathed him and the Cabal. I knew as soon as they stole that first election that this country was in for a WORLD of hurt. That's when we got active, when we started to do more than just voting. Because we knew the country was in crisis.

But, there is no viewing of those images, no listening to the horrendous bullshit, heckuv a job self serving propaganda, without having a visceral reaction. I hate them now. For the uncounted dishonored dead. For the abandoned animals. For the families who had to watch their children thirst, for the elderly abandoned in flooded nursing homes.

For the blatant destruction of the Black community that MADE New Orleans, that was its heart.

For all the families who trusted these bastards to do their fucking job, who've paid them to do their job out of their wages, every day since they first started working.

I've heard the click. I hate them now.
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azureblue Donating Member (412 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-03-05 12:01 PM
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29. Bush destroyed New Orleans
This needs to be repeated. Over and over, until the horror of it sinks in. The President of the United States allowed New Orleans to be destroyed. And he will not help.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-03-05 12:21 PM
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31. Yes. I think one reason that it is not being repeated is
the nation felt massively humiliated -- watching that terrible footage and being mostly unable to help. Impotent.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-03-05 01:57 AM
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22. Image
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-03-05 02:00 AM
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23. Image
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-03-05 02:03 AM
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Up2Late Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-03-05 03:07 AM
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25. Unbelievable
:cry:
<http://www.lyricsfreak.com/t/tracy-chapman/140290.html>

Tracy Chapman › Talkin’ Bout a Revolution


Don’t you know
They’re talkin’ bout a revolution
It sounds like a whisper
Don’t you know
They’re talkin’ about a revolution
It sounds like a whisper

While they’re standing in the welfare lines
Crying at the doorsteps of those armies of salvation
Wasting time in the unemployment lines
Sitting around waiting for a promotion

Poor people gonna rise up
And get their share
Poor people gonna rise up
And take what’s theirs

Don’t you know
You better run, run, run...
Oh I said you better
Run, run, run...

Finally the tables are starting to turn
Talkin’ bout a revolution
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thecai Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-03-05 04:32 AM
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26. Worthless FEMA
They've been too busy preparing for martial law the past several years, instead of preparing for ACTUAL emergencies.
I don't blame everyone for being upset and wanting to "run them outta town".
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zann725 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-03-05 11:27 AM
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28. Wasn't there something about 3rd month default in mortgages on most homes
Edited on Sat Dec-03-05 11:28 AM by zann725
...making PERMANENT repossession/eviction eminiment for most? The "threat" crap will keep these very people away from their RIGHTFUL homes, and possessions.

Why did this violation of human rights NOT occur to hurricane victims during Florida hurricane?

This...as FEMA trailers in Mississippi sit empty, as Katrina victims STILL sit in in cold tents and garages in Winter weather. (Breeding ground for flu and hypothermia.) Shame on us as a Nation that this STILL continues as "Brownie" is reassinged to an "Emergency Analysis" job...advising others how to abuse human rights, commit negligent homicide by the thousands, and yet remain unsanctioned doing so.

Shame on us.
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BJW Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-03-05 03:36 PM
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33. There's a planned demo for "right of return"
I think it's on Dec. 8 or Dec. 9, in Jackson, MS.
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Politicub Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-03-05 12:16 PM
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30. FEMA is run by liars
Just like our government. A once great and useful agency is now a propaganda arm of Bushco. It's sickening.

I'm sure these are the same folks who shot at relief helicopters (yeah, that was a lie, too).

It's time to take out the trash at the whitehouse and unplug the spin machine. If there were any "theats" made, I would suggest checking contracotor Brownie's cell phone records and sent email messages.
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BJW Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-03-05 03:35 PM
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32. This is bull!!!!
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-04-05 05:39 PM
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36. kick this
:kick:
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