(H.) Clinton Tells Ky. Dems Bush Mismanaged War

LOUISVILLE, Ky. (AP) -

Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton accused President Bush of mismanaging the Iraq war and claimed his domestic agenda has taken the country off course in a speech Friday night to Democrats in a state that solidly backed the Republican president last year.

About 2,000 people cheered the New York senator as she accused Bush of ignoring an ailing health care system and rewarding tax cuts to the wealthy while piling up deficits.

Clinton headlined a party fundraiser that brought in $600,000 for Kentucky candidates as Democrats try to reverse gains by Republicans, who hold the governor's mansion and all but one of the state's congressional seats.

Clinton, who is running for re-election next year and is considered a possible presidential candidate in 2008, targeted the president's handling of the war for some of her sharpest criticism.

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that she was wrong? Its time to leave Iraq.

It is in their interest for America to stay in Iraq. She solicited heavily from them and they came through.

Does that include rational and progressive Jews?

She personally courted the Jewish Community in her Senate race. Please don't try to tell me the Jewish community in New York doesn't support Israel and America in Iraq.

and lump them all into a vague demographic who blindly support Israel's leaders and the Iraq War.

That's not nice.

nor negative feelings about it. Her meetings with Jewish groups did draw attention.

Your assumptions are not nice.

to their constituencies. It happens that New York has one of the world's largest Jewish populations. And if you read the Forward or other Jewish community papers, you might be very surprised at the diversity of opinion re: Iraq.

It's a curious way to express the relationship between a candidate and their constituencies....Kerry and Kerry are beholden to the Portugese voters, and the Cambodian ones, as well....

Why are people surprised that all politics is local? Ya dance with the one whut brung ya...

And she supports, in essence, the MURTHA plan.

Hillary has been to Iraq and Afghanistan at least twice. She isn't just preaching from afar.

I'm not gonna provide a zillion links like I often do, but just go to her website, and see her National Security statements...

Her reasons for giving the Dunce the "benefit of the doubt" likely had a shitload to do with the simple fact that she is married to a guy who was NEVER given the benefit of the doubt. And why wish that hell on ANYONE, unless you are a mean, heartless bum?

Some people want revenge, others want people treated fairly.

Her only fault is that she treated Monkey fairly, and he betrayed her, and our, trust....

didn't say anything about Iraq. The only mention of security at all blamed Bush for losing us allies and standing in the world.

on edit: There was no statement to the effecct that we should leave or anything as to the specifics of IRAQ!

She's sure as hell not getting any of my funds ... that is, if I had any funds to not give her. :)

uh no...


Lieberman is the only Dem more prowar.

It's the same as Mark Warner's.

addition, she talks a big story about how Bush lied to get us into war but does not stand up and demand his accountability for it. Even though the Dems lack enough votes for an impeachment, the publicity and defense of an impeachment trial would throw Bush off his rocker for the remainder of his miserable term.

She eagerly gave her assent to an invasion that, three years later, still has her ongoing support.

While this makes her Bush's co-author of the war, she's also somewhat worse than that; Hillary has very recently called for sending more US troops to Iraq.

As Ciny Sheehan has said, let there be no votes for Dems who support this war!

I think she gave Monkey the benefit of the doubt because she saw how her own husband was second-guessed. I also think she, along with the rest of the SASC and Intel committees, were handed a mountain of cherrypicked intel data that left the bad bits out.

And you need to check her website, she wants to draw down, withdraw to safe periphery, and wants the Iraqis to start dealing with their own shit. Her position is not different in any material way from Warner's, and is left of Clark's.

Heavens! Goodness gracious! Do you really believe that Hilary is that stupid? Or naive? Duped nothing, she made a calculated political decision that went awry.

I won't support anyone who thinks there was any justification, under any circumstances, for invading Iraq.

Hurrah for WAR! Yay! War war war! oooh so tough! Ooooh Hillary are you even human? You have to prove you're tough in the 9/11 state! A whole 3000 people were killed! Wow, nothing ever happened as bad anywhere, ever! Sure gives us the right to kill at least 300,000 sand niggers!


Hillary- WAR BITCH

along with Lieberman. I have little use for either of them.

Same game in the last several years with us Democrats.No matter who we get to run for the Democrat president we will split up into different factions and LOOSE again.We are so damn easy to beat anymore its pathetic. The Repubs luv us cause WE ELECT THEM.Wake up people!

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(Dems should be unified in their support for other Dems) is that we blame Bush supporters for standing behind him no matter what. We blame them for following in lock-step behind the Cabal, like the children following the Pied Piper. I, and others, call them "Sheeple".

On the other hand, whenever a DUer expresses a dislike for a particular Democrat, they're accused of not being loyal or promoting factionalism, which will be the undoing of the party.

In this case, I prefer to see the glass as being half full, in that we are able to engage our critical thinking skills and determine whether a particular individual deserves our support. We can't have it both ways.

As far as Hillary goes, I can't see myself voting for her as things stand today. Anyone else is free to support her if they choose.

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to MIS-manage it ?

The imaginary middle to nowhere.

in donations. Pulling in $600,000 is a real coup for Kentucky Dems.


So guys and gals, quit bitching about Hillary for a minute and be happy for the Kentucky Democratic party.

Good job, Hillary.

in Ky only had $5,000 for its Kerry campaign. Much of the printing was done on our computers. I spent nearly $200 on ink before our loose confederation was folded into the party campaign. After that the party paid. Still we had to go begging to Frankfort. There was talk of going independent of the state party, but that died.

What happened then is we decided that Kerry could not win Ky and Chandler (D) was unbeatable, so we put our efforts into state and local races. It worked well.

...BETTER MANAGED!

The Iraq War needs to be OVER!

The Iraq War is ILLEGAL, UNCONSTITUTIONAL, IN VIOLATION OF INTERNATIONAL LAW, HEINOUS--tens of thousands of innocent people slaughtered, many tortured--and WRONG!

It has furthermore an assualt on our democracy! The great majority of the American people have been against it since before the invasion (58% opposed, Feb. '03).

Get the U.S out of the Middle East--ENTIRELY! No bombing of the Sunnis! No lurking about to pounce on Syria and Iran when sufficient dust has been thrown in our eyes, and enough lies have been told, and incidents have been manufactured! No Draft! No more cannon fodder! No more war--NOW!

Get that, Hillary?! WE DON'T WANT AN "EFFICIENT" WAR IN THE MIDDLE EAST! WE WANT OUT *NOW*!

Jeez, these people!

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And throw Diebold and ES&S election theft machines into 'Boston Harbor' NOW!

... Halliburton isn't finished with their war profiteering yet.

Democrats need to get their shit together and quit defending this war. They should be saying, "Hell no we wouldn't have voted for the war if we had known Bush was lying about the intelligence."

It was ILLEGAL! It was an invasion of a sovereign country, posing no threat to us, a country that has never threatened us. This was a war of aggression, period, end of story.

It would have been a disaster any way you did it. The torture thingy was a stupid touch, but there would have been no different outcome. Iraqis do not want to be occupied by infidels.