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ProudToBeLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-03-05 12:34 PM
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Howard Dean in the Valley shaping Dems
Howard Dean in the Valley shaping Dems

By Le Templar, Tribune
December 3, 2005


The Democratic Party’s leader will offer a five-point rallying cry today for the 2006 elections that will highlight Republican scandals, call for creating more jobs through energy independence and demand the U.S. move closer to universal health care insurance.

Howard Dean, chairman of the Democratic National Committee, will lay out a new agenda on the final day of party meetings at the Wyndham Hotel in downtown Phoenix. Dean and other party leaders have crafted a list of issues they want to be the central themes for every Democratic candidate seeking office next year.

"This is going to be the same platform in Alabama and Arizona as it is in Northern California and the Midwest," Dean told the Tribune on Friday. "We are going to run the same campaign everywhere in America, and that’s how we are going to win."

Dean began working on a national strategy shortly after taking over in early 2005 a party rocked by the re-election of President Bush and the loss of additional congressional seats to Republicans. The former presidential candidate, still best remembered for his televised yowl after losing the Iowa primary, was propelled to the helm by a grassroots coalition that believed the party needed a fresh, more confrontational approach for appealing to moderate Republicans and independent voters.

More at...http://www.eastvalleytribune.com/index.php?sty=54497
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msongs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-03-05 12:38 PM
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1. way to go Howard, how about e vote fraud?????????
your agenda is useless so long as the dems INC do not give a damn about republicans stealing elections.

Msongs
www.msongs.com/political-shirts.htm
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ProudToBeLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-03-05 12:42 PM
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3. well it sseems e-vote fraud is an issue for a couple of people
DNC did a survey and found most people were concerned about the issues stated in the article. I think the e-vote is probably people on the fringe who are most concerned about.
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Andromeda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-04-05 06:25 AM
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15. You don't think election fraud is a concern for most...
people? I really have to disagree with you on that. I'm not "on the fringe" and I'm very concerned about election fraud.

If you were just being sarcastic, my bad.
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K-W Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-04-05 03:33 PM
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21. The truth of the matter is that most people are unjustifiably confident
Edited on Sun Dec-04-05 03:34 PM by K-W
in the integrity of our elections because they were raised to think that America was a model of Democracy.

So people are predisposed to disbelieve electoral sketpicism, add to that the fact that most the powerful institutions in society are ignoring, denying or downplaying the issue, and it becomes very easy for Americans to just pretend its not something they have to worry about.

Luckily activists are working hard to educate people about this problem and as they do concern will rise.

Saying that right now people arent concerned doesnt tell us anything at all.

What matters are two things:

1. Is there, factually speaking, a reason for concern.
2. Would Americans, if made to understand the reason, be concerned.

I think it is fairly obvious that the reason people aren't concerned is not that they dont care, its that they dont understand the problem. Which means the answer is not ignoring the problem, it is explaining it to them.
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K-W Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-04-05 03:25 PM
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20. Well as long as survey says so,
Edited on Sun Dec-04-05 03:27 PM by K-W
I guess its ok to ignore whether or not our elections are credible.

Part of winning is changing the way people think about issues. That is what the Republicans have done, and as long as the Democrats continue to follow the trends instead of making them they will lose.
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stray cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-03-05 12:41 PM
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2. I think this phrase resonates with many Americans
"You can’t trust them with your money," Dean said. "You can’t trust them to tell the truth. You can’t trust them to manage the war. You can’t trust them if you have a natural disaster. Now tell me why people are going to vote for Republicans?"
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texpatriot2004 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-03-05 12:44 PM
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4. And you can't trust them with our environment or our public lands
you can't trust them with a damn thing
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thefloyd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-03-05 12:47 PM
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5. Dean
finally switched from Universal Healthcare to Universal Health Insurance. Thank God!! Conservative lick their chops everytime "Universal Healthcare" gets spoken because to them it equals "socialist policies" and the socialist message resonates with America
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stray cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-03-05 12:49 PM
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6. I didn't notice that - thanks for pointing it out
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Benjamin Donating Member (21 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-03-05 07:41 PM
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11. Exactly!
Edited on Sat Dec-03-05 07:42 PM by Benjamin
finally switched from Universal Health care to Universal Health Insurance. Thank God!! Conservative lick their chops every time "Universal Healthcare" gets spoken because to them it equals "socialist policies" and the socialist message resonates with America

That's where Hillary screwed up and one of the reasons the republicans gained control of congress. Her reform was to our actual hospital system and was full of quotas and affirmative action requirements. What we need is universal health care insurance.

You know the republicans are going to spin it, though, and make it sound like Hillary's plan.

I like what Dean said a while back: "I hate republicans and everything they stand for." That should be our motto. lol
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thefloyd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-03-05 08:14 PM
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13. Thanks
Welcome to DU:hi:
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Benjamin Donating Member (21 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-04-05 03:19 PM
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19. Thanks for the welcome!
This is a great site!
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Toots Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-04-05 10:15 AM
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17. Name one affirmative action requirement in the Clinton Health Care Plan?
Or one quota. and exactly how did it effect hospitals? I thought I paid pretty close attention to everything they put forth and I recall none of those things you mentioned. They sound like right wing talking points and I would like them verified...please...If I recall their plan was to provide insurance for all those that didn't get it from their employment. It in no way was a big government take over of the health care industry. They had absolutely no restrictions on hospitals or employers. Just government assistance in obtaining "insurance" even if you could not afford it...
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Benjamin Donating Member (21 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-04-05 03:18 PM
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18. Fair enough
Edited on Sun Dec-04-05 03:22 PM by Benjamin
Or one quota. and exactly how did it effect hospitals? I thought I paid pretty close attention to everything they put forth and I recall none of those things you mentioned. They sound like right wing talking points and I would like them verified...please...If I recall their plan was to provide insurance for all those that didn't get it from their employment. It in no way was a big government take over of the health care industry. They had absolutely no restrictions on hospitals or employers. Just government assistance in obtaining "insurance" even if you could not afford it...


I tried to find the full text of the "Health Security Act of 1993" but I could only find summaries. I did find this document on the Association of American Physicians and Surgeons (AAPS) site with an analysis and references to the Act, but I couldn't verify it, since I couldn't find the full text of the Act. Anyway, here's a link to the analysis:
http://www.aapsonline.org/judicial/hrcplan.pdf


This is an example of the quotas I was talking about:
p.126 HHS will control the allocation of residency slots and (p. 129) assure preferential treatment of certain groups of persons.

Analysis:
Physicians will no longer be able to enter any specialty they choose (and are competent to practice). Some groups (e.g. white men, Jews, Asians, etc.) will have opportunities restricted by quotas (or their functional equivalent).

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pokercat999 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-04-05 07:23 AM
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16. Right, we need to get elected first then
switch to universal health care and add a living wage, etc.
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K-W Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-04-05 03:41 PM
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22. If we pander to irrational fears of government programs,
arent we admitting defeat before we start?

Our goal needs to be changing the way people think about the issue. We need to convince America that healthcare is done better by representative public government than unaccountable profiteering companies.

We must break down the decades of misconceptions about government, corporations, the economy etc created by conservative PR, not try to work within that framework as if it were some kind of expression of genuine public opinion.
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AngryAmish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-03-05 12:53 PM
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7. We will crush them all
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NJmaverick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-03-05 01:14 PM
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8. Now we all have to get behind these issues
If the Dems are going to be succcessful we need to be united. It is our failure to unite, while the Repubs march in lock step, that causes our failures.
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K-W Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-04-05 03:48 PM
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23. It is our failure to unite that makes us democratic and not authoritarian.
To me a democratic party should encourage people to participate in government without subverting thier opinions to the opinions of others.

If people are not behind the Democratic Parties issues it is because the Democratic Party isnt taking positions on issues that people support or isnt communicating its positions effectively, it doesnt mean that Democratic voters arent being loyal enough.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-03-05 06:43 PM
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9. THis is so Blatently True..
"You can’t trust them with your money," Dean said. "You can’t trust them to tell the truth. You can’t trust them to manage the war. You can’t trust them if you have a natural disaster. Now tell me why people are going to vote for Republicans?"

And yet I heard of someone today who said to my son that bush is one of the best presidents we ever had :wow: :wow:

I said.."WHY?" "Why is bush one of the best presidents(sic)we ever had? My son said he didn't ask, he just said.."yeah, right, right"..he didn't want to get into it again with his father! Because he already had been raked over the coals when he told his father on Thanksgiving that bush finally did something right.."he pardoned a turkey"..then all hell broke loose and his father had to end up calling him back to apologize. Fortunately, my kids see bush for what he is..the worst ..(sic) to ever have the keys to our white house.
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depakid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-03-05 06:56 PM
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10. Trying to nationalize the elections and unite the Dems
This will work- provided that the DINO's can keep from running their mouths off on the corporate media- and hurting other candidates all over the country.
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Benjamin Donating Member (21 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-03-05 08:02 PM
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12. Maybe too negative?
Edited on Sat Dec-03-05 08:06 PM by Benjamin
It's good to remind everyone about all the corruption and incompetence in the Bush administration, but there needs to be a strong positive message about what the democrats are going to do.

Like...
- A strong push for alternative and renewable energy technologies
- Protecting our environment
- Rolling back the tax cuts for the wealthy
- Eliminating handouts and tax breaks for the oil companies at a time when they're raking in record profits
- Restoring our honor in the world arena

That's all for now. I have to go eat dinner. :toast:

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Rose Siding Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-03-05 10:03 PM
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14. The criticisms weren't the 5 pt plan-
It's at the end (and covers most of your points):

• Honesty and integrity in government

• New Iraq policy to reduce the military’s role and its vulnerability to attack

• Limit outsourcing of American jobs and create new ones through energy independence

• Moving toward universal health care

• Improving public education
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