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sabra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-05-05 08:13 AM
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Rice defends detainee tactics before trip to Europe

http://www.metronews.ca/reuters_international.asp?id=113470

Rice defends detainee tactics before trip to Europe

ANDREWS AIR FORCE BASE, Maryland (Reuters) - Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice on Monday defended U.S. treatment of terrorism suspects, telling European allies they should trust the United States as they cooperate in intelligence operations to prevent new attacks.

But in a lengthy statement before leaving on a trip to Europe, Rice did not directly address the allegation the CIA has run secret prisons in Eastern Europe, an accusation that has been a lightning rod for outrage across the continent.

"It is up to those governments and their citizens to decide if they wish to work with us to prevent terrorist attacks against their own country or other countries and decide how much sensitive information they can make public. They have a sovereign right to make that choice," Rice said in a statement she read out before leaving for Berlin, her first stop.

...

"Renditions take terrorists out of action, and save lives," Rice said, referring to the covert transfer of detainees to foreign states for interrogation. "Such renditions are permissible under international law," she added.
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SpiralHawk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-05-05 08:17 AM
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1. "I did not have extraordinary rendition with that man, Mr. Terraist."
- Condi hits the BushCo Propaganda Point of the Week
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stepnw1f Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-05-05 08:23 AM
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2. Your Actions are a Prime Example
of abuse of power... and another reason to have the Patriot Act or whatever it's called, dissolved. It's because of lunatics, such as yourself, that we never give government too much authority.

Now that you have that power, you have confirmed our predictions. In fact, you, Condi, are the closest thing to Nazism.
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salin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-05-05 08:28 AM
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3. she seems to be implying that these govts
are lying to their own citizens with this statement:

"It is up to those governments and their citizens to decide if they wish to work with us to prevent terrorist attacks against their own country or other countries and decide how much sensitive information they can make public. They have a sovereign right to make that choice," Rice said in a statement she read out before leaving for Berlin, her first stop.

along with her : yer either with us or with the terrorists.

Oh and the ubiquitous... the European govts just have to trust the US. Because our credibility is just that good. :eyes:
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Thorandmjolnir Donating Member (390 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-05-05 08:41 AM
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4. Prove it!
Edited on Mon Dec-05-05 08:41 AM by Bjarne Riis
"Renditions take terrorists out of action, and save lives," Rice said, referring to the covert transfer of detainees to foreign states for interrogation. "Such renditions are permissible under international law," she added.


I like to know what International Law she is talking about.

I don't think there is any International Law, statutory or customary that approves of a country abduction citizens of another country and keep them locked up indefinitely, exposed to torture, without any trial or without their families and loved ones knowing about them.

So: PROVE IT!
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VaYallaDawg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-05-05 08:46 AM
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5. Once again she reaches dizzying new heights of dummassitude.
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pdurod1 Donating Member (328 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-05-05 08:53 AM
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6. Secretary of lies
This is getting embarrassing.
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tabasco Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-05-05 09:11 AM
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7. The corrupt corporate cabal disgraces the Nation again.
It will not stop until WE stop it.

Our Nation defending torture?!?

I am sickened and enraged.

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dennisnyc Donating Member (388 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-05-05 09:14 AM
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8. The Defense of Torture Tour--coming soon to a city near you!
Edited on Mon Dec-05-05 09:15 AM by dennisnyc
Is this a case where the advocating of illegal acts can itself BE an illegal act?
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Kagemusha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-05-05 09:26 AM
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9. Shorter Condi: Trust us - you don't have a choice, anyway
Lovely diplomacy.
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sendero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-05-05 09:32 AM
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10. What I find telling about the quotes..
... coming out from her are that the "we don't do that" are ALWAYS qualified by "for the purpose of torture".

What this means to me is that the prisons are real, they know they cannot keep them under wraps, so now the plan is to insist there is no torture going on there.

Yeah, right.
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Briar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-05-05 10:25 AM
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11. This is how the spin machine works
All news organisation will now carry her denials and assertions as their lead news, stated as fact however dishonest they are. The contrary views will come later, in interviews, and therefore by implilcation just "opinions". But Rice's assertions will stand as "facts".
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-05-05 06:43 PM
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12. Rice Defends U.S. Terrorism Policy




http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20051205/ap_on_re_eu/rice;_ylt=AhKdkGE..Xsv8uUXAPMlV5ys0NUE;_ylu=X3oDMTA3b2NibDltBHNlYwM3MTY-
Rice Defends U.S. Terrorism Policy

By ANNE GEARAN, AP Diplomatic Writer 45 minutes ago

BERLIN - Fighting terrorism is "a two-way street" and Europeans are safer for tough but legal U.S. tactics, Secretary of State
Condoleezza Rice said Monday in response to an outcry among allies about reports of secret CIA prisons and detainee mistreatment.

The top U.S. diplomat went further than others in the Bush administration to insist that Americans do not practice torture or lesser forms of cruel treatment.

"Our people, wherever they are, are operating under U.S. law and U.S. international obligations," Rice said. She said that includes the U.N. Convention Against Torture, a document the administration has previously said does not fully apply to Americans overseas.

Rice delivered the Bush administration's most forceful response to a month of growing trans-Atlantic acrimony as she prepared to spend the week among critics in European capitals........
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-05-05 06:43 PM
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13. she is coy--does not confirm nor deny clandestine detention sites.



Rice did not elaborate on how lives were saved. But White House spokesman Scott McClellan referred reporters to an Oct. 6 statement by
President Bush that the United States and its allies had foiled 10 serious plots by the al-Qaida terror network in the past four years.

At the time, the White House said those counted several attempted strikes in Europe, including plans to bomb sites in Britain in mid-2004, attack London's Heathrow Airport using hijacked commercial airliners in 2003 and carry out a large-scale bombing in Britain in spring 2004.

Throughout Monday, Rice refused any outright answer to the underlying question European governments have asked: Did the United States run clandestine detention sites on the continent?

"Were I to confirm or deny, say yes or say no, then I would be compromising intelligence information, and I'm not going to do that," she said on her plane to Germany.
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President Kerry Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-05-05 06:43 PM
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14. great headline:
Rice Defends US Terrorism.

What's become of this country?
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Demeter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-05-05 06:43 PM
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15. Sometimes the Truth Slips Out--by Accident (n/t)
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tiptoe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-05-05 10:07 PM
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17. A PhD who LIED about meaning of "Bin Laden determined to strike inside US"
..SHE SHOULD SHUT HER LYING, HYPOCRITICAL, TRAITOROUS MOUTH...REFRAIN FROM POSING AS A DIPLOMAT...AND RESIGN...ALONG WITH HER TRAITOROUS, MURDEROUS THUG "BOYFRIEND."

Suggested new occupation: Professional Shoe Shopper.
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President Kerry Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-05-05 06:57 PM
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16. The European heads of state need to boycott the US government.
And our people must hit the streets!! This is utterly disgusting. How DARE you promote torture? Who the fuck do you think you are Condi?? You do NOT speak for this American!
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