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sabra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-07-05 04:05 PM
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(Rep. Robert ) Wexler asks court to ensure manual recounts in close races

http://www.bradenton.com/mld/bradenton/news/local/13351512.htm

Wexler asks court to ensure manual recounts in close races

Associated Press


MIAMI - Florida's touch-screen voting machines violate people's constitutional rights because they don't create a paper record of each ballot, a lawyer for U.S. Rep. Robert Wexler said Wednesday in a federal appeals court. But a state lawyer said the ATM-like devices are accurate and don't need a paper trail.

The Boca Raton Democrat sued the state and two county elections supervisors in March 2004 because the touch-screen machines don't create physical ballots that can be counted by hand when disputes arise in close races.

He argues that because the 15 Florida counties with touch-screens have a different recount procedure than the other 52 with machines that scan paper ballots, the state violates the Constitution's equal protection clause and the U.S. Supreme Court decision that ended the disputed presidential election in 2000. That ruling called for uniform recount standards throughout the state.

But a federal judge disagreed with Wexler in a ruling issued just before last year's presidential election. He said touch-screens "provide sufficient safeguards" of constitutional rights. Wexler challenged the decision to a three-judge panel of the 11th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals, which heard arguments Wednesday.


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Vincardog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-07-05 04:09 PM
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1. How is secret proprietary code providing sufficient safeguards?
How about keeping and counting those votes on non secure hackable machines? Why don't the voters stand up and demand better?
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Peace Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-07-05 04:29 PM
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2. GO, WEXLER! You've just made the Hot List of Democrats who support
democracy! It's time this country was given back to the GREAT PROGRESSIVE MAJORITY!

Throw Diebold and ES&S election machines into 'Boston Harbor' NOW!

And who appointed that first judge (no record of the vote needed)? And how much is he stuffing his pockets with? Jeez, these people.
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dubyaD40web Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-07-05 04:40 PM
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3. Wexler's been fighting for years!!!!
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Wilms Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-07-05 04:57 PM
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4. Thanks for posting. n/t
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-07-05 05:16 PM
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5. Thankyou Wexler. Wish more Dems were visible on this.
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MelissaB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-07-05 05:21 PM
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6. LOOK AT THE AD ON THE PAGE
WTF? A Saudia Arabia commercial on a page with election in the U.S.?
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NNguyenMD Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-07-05 08:11 PM
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7. how is it that an ATM manufacturer can see logic in a paper trail for bank
accounts and money, but not one for Democracy. Oh I remember now its because they care more about money and none about ensuring Democracy.
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pat_k Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-07-05 08:23 PM
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8. Promote a couple simple truths to strengthen legal challenges
Edited on Wed Dec-07-05 08:37 PM by pat_k
It's great to see cases moving forward (this one, recent news from NC and NM). I'm so grateful for the folks, like Wexler, who are taking a leading role in the fight.

We can all lend a hand by promoting four simple truths; truths that resonate with the public and strengthen legal and political challenges.

(1) We the People have a right to have confidence in the results of our elections.

We are the sovereigns here. We the People, through our representatives, have defined our election laws to ensure our elections are free and fair and accurately reflect our will. A free and fair election is one in which every citizen has an equal opportunity to cast their vote and have that vote accurately counted. Any rationalization that justifies violation of this right cannot be tolerated.

(2) When election results are called into question, the burden is on the state. To restore confidence, election officials must prove our votes were accurately recorded and tabulated and our citizens were afforded equal access to cast their votes.

When we fail to keep it simple and get caught up in details of a specific election -- details intended to prove the election invalid -- we buy into the illogical position that the burden is on us to prove the results to be wrong.

The burden is not on us. Our right to have confidence puts the burden on the state to prove the results to be accurate and fairly obtained.

In our criminal justice system, the presumption of innocence minimizes the chances of convicting the innocent. In our electoral system, when reported results are called into question, we must start with a "presumption of inccrrectness" to minimize the chance of putting someone into office that was rejected by the electorate. When results are presumed to be incoorect, the burden is on the state to prove the results are accurate. See Burden of Proof in an Election.

(3) Disparate treatment alone is sufficient to invalidate an election.

Every citizen and leader must answer the following question for themselves: "Are hours-long poll-tax-lines for poor, minority voters AND none for affluent, white voters a tolerable condition for you?"

No rationalization can justify different public and private answers to this question (e.g., “Well, it’s intolerable to me, but elections have always had problems.” "Discriminatory treatment is not actionable if the margin of victory is large") To tolerate such disparate treatment in an election is to become complicit with the perpetrators of the condition.

(4) Secret Vote Counting is intolerable.

Many people, particularly those who are comfortable with technology, miss the key problem with using DREs to record and tabulate votes. Inability to secure the systems against data loss or corruption isn't the problem, so arguments about the security or insecurity of a given DRE system are irrelevant. The problem is secret vote counting.

For the electorate to have confidence that they are being afforded free and fair elections that reflect their will, the processes for qualifying to vote, registering, casting votes, tabulating votes, reporting results and verifying results must be open, understandable, and accessible to every citizen. The guy down the street who dropped out of high school must be able to make sense of the how every aspect of our elections are conducted. (He may or may not bother to find out, but if he does, he needs to be able to make sense of it all.)

Not many people on this planet have the expertise required to make sense of computer security, therefore, the role of computers in our elections must be limited. DREs have no place at all.

We don't need a paper trail. We need official counts to be based on counting physical ballots in the open. With video technology, the process can be open to any citizen, not just designated representatives of the parties and public interest groups.

People reject secret vote counting as a matter of principle – no convincing needed. Rejecting DREs as secret vote counters is not much of a stretch.


The fight for trustworthy elections goes to the heart of who we are as a people. It is a fight that empowers. It is a fight that cannot be limited to the courts or lobbies of Congress. It is a fight that will ultimately be won in conversations over fences, around water coolers and dinner tables.
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Wilms Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-08-05 03:19 AM
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9. kick n/t
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