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Up2Late Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-07-05 10:19 PM
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US attacks UN official on 'jails' (BBC News)
Edited on Wed Dec-07-05 10:22 PM by Up2Late
Thursday, 8 December 2005, 02:56 GMT

US attacks UN official on 'jails'


Washington has rebuked UN human rights commissioner Louise Arbour for criticising its anti-terror tactics as the row alleged secret jails goes on.

Ms Arbour said reports the US was using secret overseas sites to interrogate suspects harmed its moral authority and she wanted to inspect any such centres. The US said it was inappropriate and illegitimate for her to question US conduct on the basis of media reports.

The issue is dogging a European tour by US Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice.She will meet Nato foreign ministers on Thursday for formal talks but at a dinner on Wednesday the jails allegation reportedly already surfaced.

"There were a number of frank interventions, always respectful of Condoleezza Rice as a person," a source briefed on the dinner was quoted by Reuters news agency as saying. On Wednesday, Ms Rice said American interrogators were bound by an international convention banning the use of torture, regardless of whether they were working in the US or abroad.

'Second-guessing'

Ms Arbour, a former Canadian Supreme Court justice, told reporters in New York on Wednesday that the global ban on torture was becoming a casualty of the US-led "war on terror". She singled out the reported US policies of sending terror suspects to other countries and holding prisoners in secret detention.

<http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/4508892.stm>
(more at link above)
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IChing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-07-05 10:24 PM
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1. Bolton was the chief attacker, of course, and he said this:
" It was inappropriate and illegitimate for an international civil servant
to second-guess the conduct that we're engaged in
the war on terror,
with nothing more as evidence
than what she reads in the newspapers".



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Up2Late Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-07-05 10:28 PM
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3. Yes, and he normally seems like such a charming fellow...NOT
So, would that make Bolton an "international civil servant" too?:evilgrin:
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Miss Chybil Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-07-05 10:34 PM
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4. How else would she hear about it? Ya think Georgie would've dropped
such a bomb at one of his fundraisers? Not.
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nashville_brook Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-07-05 11:47 PM
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6. as if evidence as a matter of PUBLIC RECORD is LESS than adequete
they're more like shit-flinging monkeys everyday. devolution in action.
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Inland Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-07-05 11:49 PM
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7. "So are the reports true?" "No comment." These guys, so transparent.
Well, yeah, the reports are true, but you made a lucky guess! So there!
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daleo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-07-05 11:53 PM
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9. True, another classic non-denial denial. n/t
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bemildred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-07-05 10:27 PM
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2. Oh yeah, this'll work.
Dolton is real confused if he thinks he can shut this woman up.
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burythehatchet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-08-05 12:21 AM
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10. really? You're familiar with her?
I'd love to see a flare up between him and a strong woman because you just know the guy hates women.
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bemildred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-08-05 08:29 AM
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12. She is a former Canadian Supreme Court justice.
I'm willing to wager she can handle the likes of an impotent twit like Dolton.
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Spazito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-08-05 09:47 AM
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14. Louise Arbour was the chief prosecutor that brought the charges
against Milosevic and was responsible for him being on trial at the Hague. She isn't going to back off for anyone, especially someone like Bolton.
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nashville_brook Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-07-05 11:43 PM
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5. !
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daleo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-07-05 11:52 PM
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8. Condaleeza Rice is a person?
Who knew? I thought she was a member of the Bush administration.

"There were a number of frank interventions, always respectful of Condoleezza Rice as a person...".
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IChing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-08-05 12:40 AM
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11. a number of frank interventions, sounds like it was for someone who is
in denial of their hurtful destructive behavior on themselves or other people. (alcohol, crime, drugs, or abuse i.e.)
and they had an intervention
in order to confront the person of said behavior.

Strange wording,
which I thought meant something on that level
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Up2Late Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-08-05 01:55 PM
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17. Sounds like a perfect description to me.
:evilfrown:
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daleo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-08-05 05:38 PM
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19. Good catch.
Now that you point it out, that's exactly what it sounds like.
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goodhue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-08-05 09:38 AM
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13. attack the messenger
how predictable
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Mokito Donating Member (710 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-08-05 09:54 AM
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15. Well...duh
America's ambassador to the UN, John Bolton, said Ms Rice had already addressed the issue and he roundly criticised Ms Arbour.

It was, he said, "inappropriate and illegitimate for an international civil servant to second-guess the conduct that we're engaged in the war on terror, with nothing more as evidence than what she reads in the newspapers".


Isn't that the whole point of an investigation; to stop the second-guessing with nothing more as evidence than what is read in the newspapers?
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underpants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-08-05 11:29 AM
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16. Are the Bushees waiting on eyewitness accounts?
PuhLEEEEEEEEEEASE

Oooh look someone has an actual media with real journalists and all
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-08-05 02:08 PM
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18. What's in the media doesn't matter...
it's all just opinions anyway!

/$#&tard freeper
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