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DeepModem Mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-09-05 12:22 AM
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NYT: Before 9/11, Warnings on Bin Laden
Before 9/11, Warnings on Bin Laden
By SCOTT SHANE
Published: December 9, 2005


WASHINGTON, Dec. 8 - More than three years before the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks, American diplomats warned Saudi officials that Osama bin Laden might target civilian aircraft, according to a newly declassified State Department cable.

The cable was one of two documents released Thursday by the National Security Archive, a research organization at George Washington University that obtained them under the Freedom of Information Act. The other was a memorandum written five days after the 2001 attacks by George J. Tenet, then director of central intelligence, to his top deputies, titled "We're at War."

The June 1998 cable reported to Washington that three American officials, the State Department's regional security officer, an economics officer and an aviation specialist had met Saudi officials at King Khalid International Airport in Riyadh to pass along a warning based on an interview Mr. bin Laden, the Saudi-born leader of Al Qaeda, had just given to ABC News.

They said he had threatened in the interview to strike in the next "few weeks" against "military passenger aircraft," mentioning surface-to-air missiles. The cable said there was "no specific information that indicates bin Laden is targeting civilian aircraft," but added, "We could not rule out that a terrorist might take the course of least resistance and turn to a civilian target."

Part of the Tenet memo had been reported previously in Bob Woodward's 2002 book, "Bush At War." The eight-paragraph Tenet letter was a call to arms, declaring "a worldwide war against Al Qaeda and other terrorist organizations" and saying that the effort would require "our absolute and total dedication."...


http://www.nytimes.com/2005/12/09/national/nationalspecial3/09documents.html
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leesa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-09-05 01:01 AM
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1. Another lame attempt to pin 9-11 on Clinton. Woodward must be in deeper
than anyone thought. Bussh Crime Syndicate did 9-11, make no mistake about it.
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BenDavid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-09-05 01:20 AM
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2. I agree the repukes will
try anything to pin the blame on Clinton, but there were no attacks in the U S until after Clinton left office, and we all know from Clark's book what exaactly the bush folks did as for as terrorism...NOTHING!...

FLASH...FLASH..... Bob Woodward will be coming forth with a new book sometime in early 2006. The working title is.......
INSIDE BUSH'S ASS: An IN-DEPTH LOOK
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The Backlash Cometh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-10-05 07:44 AM
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32. yawn. The timeline only shows that there may have been treason
Edited on Sat Dec-10-05 07:46 AM by The Backlash Cometh
committed against the Clinton Administration by the military (ABle Danger) and those who kept information from him and his National Security staff. The big question is, who knew when, who did they tell, and why didn't the information trickle up to the top?

If I were Woodward, I'd be shitting in my pants because he's already proven that he withholds far too much information, even from his editor.
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wellst0nev0ter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-09-05 04:37 AM
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3. All It Proves Is That Clinton Was More On The Ball
concerning terrorism while the rest of the country was fixated on the $70 million blowjob.
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madmark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-10-05 11:31 AM
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35. Exactly, at least the Clinton admin was doing something to analyze
the issue and was conscious of it. Bush was on vacation and oblivious to al quada during his presidency in the run up to 9/11.
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DoYouEverWonder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-09-05 07:06 AM
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4. Maybe this is one of the reasons why
the Clinton folks tried to impression upon the Bush Team how much of a threat bin Laden was when Bush took office in 2001? Of course, Bush needed a new Pearl Harbor event to accomplish his goals, so why would he want to do anything to get in bin Laden's way?

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Javaman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-09-05 11:44 AM
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5. "so george* we got info today that states..."
"that Al queda is going to hi-jack a few airline jets and fly them into building in NYC and Washington"

george*: to vague, come back to me when you have better information...

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Al-CIAda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-09-05 01:22 PM
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6. 9/11 was an inside job. -nt
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corbett Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-10-05 06:34 AM
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31. Big Time! Proof At This URL
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OKNancy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-09-05 02:18 PM
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7. kick
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OKNancy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-09-05 04:48 PM
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8. and another kick
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AntiFascist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-09-05 06:33 PM
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9. Anyone know about the French intelligence?....
http://www.cbc.ca/fifth/conspiracytheories/brisard.pdf


<snip>
NOW DO YOU BELIEVE THAT THAT BUDGET TODAY, TWO YEARS AFTER THE WAR ON TERROR BEGAN, IS SO LARGE INDICATES THAT THEY'VE GOT MONEY LEFT FROM BEFORE? OR ARE THEY GETTING INCOME...ONGOING INCOME?
Probaby much of it is, of course, left from before, surely. Still, we know that because of the posture of Saudi Arabia on this specific issue, most of the financial backbone of al-Qaida is still untouched.
<snip>
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cal04 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-09-05 10:35 PM
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10. US warned Saudis about plane attacks
Edited on Fri Dec-09-05 04:38 PM by cal04
A DECLASSIFIED US cable made public overnight shows that US officials warned Saudi counterparts more than three years before the September 11, 2001 attacks that Osama bin Laden might target civilian aircraft. The State Department cable was not mentioned by the special commission that investigated the attacks on New York and Washington, according to National Security Archives, the non-profit research group that made the cable public.

The cable reports on a meeting between two US embassy officials in Riyadh with Saudi officials on June 16, 1998 to press for increased vigilance at the King Khalid International Airport. "We noted that while we have no specific information that indicates Bin Laden is targeting civilian aircraft, he made a threat during the June 11 ABC News interview against 'military passenger aircraft' in the next 'few weeks,"' the cable said. "Bin Laden also spoke of SAM missiles," the cable said, using the acronym for surface-to-air missiles.


It added that since attacks on US military facilities in the kingdom in 1995 and 1996, Saudi force protection measures had improved. "Consequently, we could not rule out that a terrorist might take the course of least resistance and turn to a civilian target," it said. After September 11, senior administration officials explained the unprecedented security failure by saying suicide attacks with civilian airliners could not have been imagined. But the cable is the latest piece of evidence that US officials had been aware of the threat to civilian airliners well before then.

National Security Archives also released a newly declassified memo from then CIA director George Tenet to his top aides after the attacks calling for a "worldwide war against al-Qaeda and other terrorist organizations." "Our unrelenting focus must be on bringing all of our operational, analytical, and technical capabilities to bear, not only to protect the US both here and abroad from additional terrorist acts, but also, more importantly, to neutralize and destroy al-Qaeda and its partners." The confidential memo, dated September 16, 2001, first surfaced in Bob Woodward's best-selling book "Bush at War," the National Security Archives said.

http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,5744,17521485%255E1702,00.html

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cdsilv Donating Member (883 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-09-05 10:35 PM
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11. Debt of Honor
...in this book, Tom Clancy ends it by having a JAL 747 make a direct hit on the US Capitol bldg.

Unthinkable? Only by dunces....
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ret5hd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-09-05 10:35 PM
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12. once again, it looks like the clinton admin was on top of things...
and the bush admin flushed all the advice, recommendations, etc down the toilet.
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wakeme2008 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-09-05 10:35 PM
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13. Star Wars was their ONLY interest before
9-11..

And one could ask if Bush has read anything in 5 years.
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Up2Late Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-10-05 02:48 PM
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38. That and the 2001 "We won the 2000 Election, so slap me on the back" tour
I remember telling my Mother in about June of 2001 that is seamed like Bush never seemed to spend any time in Washington and wondering if he his Cabal were even paying attention to what was going on and the REAL threats we face.

If you think back, they had just passed something like 1.1 Trillion Dollars in Tax Cuts, and seemed to want to let all their buddies shake their hands and slap them on the back, so they took a bunch of "victory laps."
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papau Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-09-05 10:36 PM
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14. US told Saudis about Qaeda plane threat pre-9/11
Under Clinton a 1998 cable said "We noted that while we have no specific information that indicates bin Laden is targeting civilian aircraft, he made a threat during the June 11 ABC News interview against 'military passenger aircraft' in the next 'few weeks,"' the cable said. And our Bush CIA says it told FAA in 1999 that "Osama bin Laden remains interested in targeting U.S. interests including on U.S. territory. He is well prepared to consider kidnappings and hijackings as well as bombings." And Clinton got a highly classified President's Daily Brief dated December 4, 1998, titled "Bin Ladin Preparing to Hijack US Aircraft and Other Attacks." Reuters does not mention Clinton's daily war room meetings on bin Laden - I wonder why?

And of course Bush got the August 6, 2001, daily intelligence brief that said the FBI had detected "patterns of suspicious activity in this country consistent with preparations for hijackings or other types of attacks, including recent surveillance of federal buildings in New York," and said that the FBI was conducting about 70 investigations throughout the United States that it considered were related to bin Laden. And Reuters does not mention Bush's lack of meetings on bin Laden despite Sandy Berger telling Bush bin Laden was his biggest problem - I wonder why?


http://today.reuters.com/News/newsArticle.aspx?type=topNews&storyID=2005-12-09T171128Z_01_DIT961222_RTRUKOC_0_US-SECURITY-WARNINGS.xml

http://tv.reuters.com/index.jsp?fr_story=07929d778ad36e409601b6c965afb9bcc88c95f4

US told Saudis about Qaeda plane threat pre-9/11

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The United States told Saudi Arabia more than three years before the September 11 attacks that Osama bin Laden might be targeting civilian airplanes, according to a newly declassified State Department cable.

The June 1998 cable, obtained by George Washington University's National Security Archive under the Freedom of Information Act, said the United States had no specific information that al Qaeda was planning such an attack, and did not say it might fly planes into buildings.

A copy of the cable, first reported by The New York Times on Friday, was obtained by Reuters. Fifteen of the 19 hijackers on September 11, 2001, were Saudi nationals.

The cable, from the U.S. Embassy in Riyadh to U.S. government officials, said concerns were based on threats bin Laden had recently made against military aircraft in an interview with U.S. network ABC.<snip>
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soothsayer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-09-05 10:36 PM
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15. Oh, is that where the Saudis got the idea from?
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TomInTib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-09-05 10:36 PM
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16. On MSNBC as you post. nt
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Loonman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-09-05 10:36 PM
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17. Again proving Condi Rice is a bald-faced liar
"we never imagined airplanes would be used"
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Supersedeas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-09-05 10:36 PM
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18. but Dr. Condi said no one and I mean no one could have imagined
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sabra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-09-05 10:36 PM
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19. and * said no one thought the levees would break...
you see it's easy :-)
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-09-05 10:37 PM
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22. Ya have to wonder who all these dipshit "NO ONES" are!!
Probably the same fake eighty percent who allegedly once supported the MonkeyKing!
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jbnow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-09-05 10:37 PM
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28. That brings to mind
some lyrics of an old song I never think of. Maybe it wasn't about a cheating spouse but the "nobody" bushites speak of.

"Working late again
I asked who with
You said, nobody
Aah, nobody
Well, your nobody called today
She hung up when I asked her name"

That nobody really gets around.
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MidwestTransplant Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-09-05 10:36 PM
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21. True of those with little imagination, curiosity and competence.
Edited on Fri Dec-09-05 02:08 PM by MidwestTransplant
The rest could have imagined, particularly if the possibility was made evident in a top secret communique that we had read (or should have read).
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DoYouEverWonder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-09-05 10:36 PM
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20. And bin Laden didn't attack until Dimson took office
because he knew that Dimson wanted an attack and would not stand in his way.

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deminks Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-09-05 10:37 PM
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23. Don't forget the 52 warnings that the FAA received
between April and September 10, 2001.


http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=3083762

This is the earliest warning that I have seen, though.
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Al-CIAda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-09-05 10:37 PM
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24. Why did the US run 9/11 'war games'... on 9/11?
foreknowledge.
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EVDebs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-09-05 10:37 PM
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25. And Ptech was a Saudi software co. with access to FAA, Intel computers
Which is very handy when the wargames and FAA routing is being done...

http://www.madcowprod.com/mc4512004.html
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bettyellen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-09-05 10:37 PM
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26. kicking
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Festivito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-09-05 10:37 PM
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27. Anyone want to bet on Sunday this will be against Clinton and...
... our so-called left-wingers on TV will just let it sound anti-Democrat?

And, it will sound like that, by accident of course :sarcasm:, on every channel.

Even though it clearly points to Clinton fighting terror successfully.
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DemonFighterLives Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-09-05 11:04 PM
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29. dubby knows eh eh
:dem:
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Bushwick Bill Donating Member (605 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-09-05 11:39 PM
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30. Tell Us Something We Don't Know
We have Indira Singh.
http://tinyurl.com/8h65h
http://tinyurl.com/ctmmo

Then, we have Sibel.
http://www.911truth.org/article.php?story=2005042520431369
http://www.911truth.org/article.php?story=2005062112075570

Then, we have FBI investigations spiked.
http://www.time.com/time/covers/1101020603/memo.html
http://www.mediamonitors.net/mosaddeq36.html

Then, we have 50 some odd FAA warnings.
"The Federal Aviation Administration received repeated warnings in the months prior to Sept. 11, 2001, about al-Qaida and its desire to attack airlines, according to a previously undisclosed report by the commission that investigated the terror attacks. The report by the Sept. 11 commission detailed 52 such warnings given to FAA leaders from April to Sept. 10, 2001, about the radical Islamic terrorist group and its leader, Osama bin Laden."
http://tinyurl.com/ba8gw

Then, we have Able Danger.
http://tinyurl.com/d69cd
http://tinyurl.com/bt3ka

Then, we have international warnings.
http://tinyurl.com/c3y7t
http://tinyurl.com/a8k34
http://tinyurl.com/6ulum
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,53065,00.html

And the infamous PDB, "Bin Laden Determined To Strike In U.S."
Bin Laden Determined to Strike in U.S.
http://tinyurl.com/9wv7u


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Al-CIAda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-10-05 10:59 AM
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34. The U.S. The Failure to Defend the Skies on 9/11 -By Paul Thompson
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Al-CIAda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-12-05 09:15 AM
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39. .
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0007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-10-05 08:20 AM
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33. I've seen enough evidence in the last three years that would
overwhelmingly convict anyone except those that work for the Bush administration, including whores, shills, pimps and Bob Woodward.


All animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others ...
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greyl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-10-05 01:02 PM
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36. Unheeded Warnings
A long list beginning in 1994:

"June 1994: A Pentagon-commissioned report concludes that religious terrorists could hijack commercial airliners and crash them into the Pentagon or the White House December 1994: Algerian terrorists hijack an Air France jetliner, intending to crash it into the Eiffel Tower - A French SWAT team storms the grounded plane and foils the plot."

http://www.newwartimes.com/warnings.html

So much for "nobody ever expected that planes would be flown into buildings, eh?

"May, 2002: National security adviser Condoleezza Rice declares, "I don’t think anybody could have predicted that these people would take an airplane and slam it into the World Trade Center ... All of this reporting about hijacking was about traditional hijacking.""
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Goldensilence Donating Member (213 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-10-05 01:48 PM
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37. this really doesn't mean much to me
other then a nice showcase for pre 9/11 intelligence. 9/11 was an inside job all the way through.Funny how stuff like this leaks out when more and more people start asking questions and getting closer to the truth.
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